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ARE MORMONS ANTI-CHRISTIAN?
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Posted on 07/10/2011 3:56:37 PM PDT by delacoert

Mormons often say that Christians that write or speak about the Mormon Church and Mormonism as being contrary to the gospel that Christ and His apostles taught are Anti-Mormon But the Mormon Church and Mormon Church leaders have a long history of declaring Christianity to be false, fallen and contrary to true doctrine.  By the Mormon standard of Anti-Mormon, is the reverse scenario that Mormons are Anti-Christian? 

 

The Anti-Mormon Label:

Mormons and the Mormon Church often and freely throw around the term “Anti-Mormon”.  The Mormon Church often labels anyone who speaks anything about Mormonism or the LDS Church that does not promote faith in it or that does not portray it a positive light as Anti-Mormon

But the term Anti-Mormon really is far too broad a brush and is used far too frequently where it’s not warranted. Certainly, there are some that may certainly qualify as Anti-Mormon in the sense that they hate the Mormon Church (most of those are individuals who have belonged to it at one point).  However, just because one seeks to get the message out to the Mormon people that there are credibility problems with the Mormon Church and/or that Mormon Beliefs are in conflict with the Word of God does not mean that there is hate or attack in the message.  But the term Anti-Mormon indeed carries an inference of hate and/or religious bigotry.  However, kindly proclaiming truth in love and with real concern for the spiritual welfare of a people is not hateful - it is not Anti.

I think most Christians would not condone any behavior that is truly disrespectful to the Mormon people, such as defiling Mormon Temple Garments in public or chanting Secret Temple phrases on the streets. Those who do engage in such conduct, should examine the Word of God and re-think their approach.  If the truth cannot be proclaimed in love, it probably should not be proclaimed, unless and until it can be proclaimed in such manner. 

 

Proclaiming the Truth in Love:

It is a legitimate for bible-believing Christians to bring to light doctrines that truly are contrary to the Word of God - the bible.  Neither Jesus nor His apostles would hold back in calling out false doctrines and practices and giving a warning.  Here is an example of some of their warnings:

"[B]ut there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:1-8

“But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.  For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received, or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”  2 Corinthians 11: 3-4

"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."  2 Corinthians 11:3-4

In fact, past LDS Church Leaders in the past have proclaimed that if the Mormon Church or its scriptures be proven false that it should be exposed to the world as a fraud.  Here's an oft-quoted example:

Orson Pratt made this statement concerning The Book of Mormon: "This book must be either true or false. If true, it is one of the most important messages ever sent from God...  If false, it is one of the most cunning, wicked, bold, deep-laid impositions ever palmed upon the world, calculated to deceive and ruin millions...  The nature of the message in the Book of Mormon is such, that if true, no one can possibly be saved and reject it; If false, no one can possibly be saved and receive it... If, after a rigid examination, it be found an imposition, it should be extensively published to the world as such; the evidences and arguments on which the imposture was detected, should be clearly and logically stated, that those who have been sincerely yet unfortunately deceived, may perceive the nature of deception, and to be reclaimed, and that those who continue to publish the delusion may be exposed and silenced, not by physical force, neither by persecutions, bare assertions, nor ridicule, but by strong and powerful arguments - by evidences adduced from scripture and reason..." (Orson Pratt's Works, Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, Liverpool, 1851, pp. 1-2). 

There are in fact many evidences that show that the veracity Mormon Church, the Book of Mormon and other Mormon Scriptures and teachings are, at worst, false - or, at best, seriously in question.  Although it may make some uncomfortable, there should be no harm in letting the facts be illuminated so that they can be seen for what they are (in fact, that should be encouraged): 

"For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."  John 3:20-21

 

What is truth will not mind being examined for what it is. After all, it is the truth that shall make us free.

 

Are Mormons Anti-Christian?

For the reverse scenario, consider some of Mormonism's many statements against Christianity:  

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 270) (Emphasis added)

"We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense.... Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century," (John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, 1858, p. 167) (Emphasis added) 

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171)

"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:199)

"And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God [Mormon Church] belongeth to that great church which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth" (1 Nephi 14:10)

"And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth [all churches other than the LDS Church], whose foundation is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence. . ." (1 Nephi. 14:17) 

[There is] "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God" Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190 

"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a God, and also upon Brigham Young, our Governor” Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, p. 88 

"One of the most fallacious doctrines originated by Satan and propounded by man is that man is saved alone by the grace of God; that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation," (Miracle of Forgiveness, Spencer W. Kimball, p. 206) 

"This is the only true church ...This is not a church. This is the Church of Jesus Christ. There are churches of men all over the land and they have great cathedrals, synagogues, and other houses of worship running into the hundreds of millions of dollars. They are churches of men. They teach the doctrines of men, combined with the philosophies and ethics and other ideas and ideals that men have partly developed and partly found in sacred places and interpreted for themselves" (Spencer W. Kimball, Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p.421) 

"[H]e that confesseth not that Jesus has come in the flesh and sent Joseph Smith with the fullness of the Gospel to this generation, is not of God, but is anti-christ" (Brigham Young , Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p.312) 

"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 10:230) (Emphasis added) 

"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255) (Emphasis added) 

With declarations such as these from the Mormon Church and Mormon Leadership, should we then refer to Mormons as "Anti-Christians"?


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1 posted on 07/10/2011 3:56:41 PM PDT by delacoert
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To: delacoert

Moronic article.


2 posted on 07/10/2011 3:58:56 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: delacoert
They do seem to be against other Christians.

Lived and worked in Salt Lake, was refused employment, housing, and pretty much anything else you can think of at one time or another because I was a "gentile".

One very major reason I wouldn't vote for Romney to be dog catcher.

3 posted on 07/10/2011 4:02:05 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: delacoert

“ARE MORMONS ANTI-CHRISTIAN”

No....most I know are pro-mormon.


4 posted on 07/10/2011 4:04:44 PM PDT by Grunthor (Support a POTUS candidate but don't get emotionally invested like a liberal.)
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To: delacoert

I would say that most of the confessed “Christians” don’t act very Christ like.

...Maybe, we should try to stop usurping Christ’s Judgement about who is acceptable to him and who is not ... and work on re-establishing Christ as a central theme and exemplar in our own lives ... that acutally sounds like a much more Christian approach ... and ...

I think Christ would like that ....

from an LDS devotee to our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.


5 posted on 07/10/2011 4:05:10 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: delacoert

There is a huge difference between asking “Are Mormans anti-Christian?”, and asking “Is MormonISM anti-Christian?”.

The latter is a definite yes.

The former depends upon the level to which the individual Morman has progressed in leadership... and even then is a question which cannot be answered without knowing for a fact whether or not the person was ever truly saved.


6 posted on 07/10/2011 4:05:47 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: delacoert

With all due respect, take your religious arguments to an appropriate forum.

I’d sooner be ruled by an entire senate and house of Mormons than I would have even one Muslim there.

Ain’t never seen no suicide Mormons yet...but your idiotic articles could justifiably drive them there.


7 posted on 07/10/2011 4:06:34 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: delacoert

Well, I have to say that the article makes an excellent point! The whole idea behind mormonism, is that Christianity is “wrong”...and needed “fixing”.

Guess when one throws mud, they must expect to get a little on themselves.


8 posted on 07/10/2011 4:08:51 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: Da Coyote

“With all due respect, take your religious arguments to an appropriate forum.”

You’re posting in the Religion Forum...


9 posted on 07/10/2011 4:08:51 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: Da Coyote

“I’d sooner be ruled by an entire senate and house of Mormons than I would have even one Muslim there.”

... you may want to try it out first...


10 posted on 07/10/2011 4:10:07 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: Da Coyote

“Ain’t never seen no suicide Mormons yet...but your idiotic articles could justifiably drive them there.”

Plenty of them in Utah commit suicide. Plenty take drugs to cope without suicide.


11 posted on 07/10/2011 4:11:12 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: Da Coyote
With all due respect, take your religious arguments to an appropriate forum.

This was posted in the Religion forum.

Would you prefer it be Breaking News or something?

12 posted on 07/10/2011 4:14:48 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Regulator
Lived and worked in Salt Lake, was refused employment, housing, and pretty much anything else you can think of at one time or another because I was a "gentile".

How did you "live and work in Salt Lake" if you were refused employment and housing? Does "pretty much anything else" include food and water?

Sounds like you're lucky to be alive.

13 posted on 07/10/2011 4:15:28 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: delacoert

Nope. I speak from experience. Next...


15 posted on 07/10/2011 4:17:22 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Regulator

They do seem to be against other Christians.

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You have no idea.

“What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270

“...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels.”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60

“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v. 1, p. xl

Prophet Brigham Young (1801 - 1877):

“He did send His angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong; that they were following the precepts of men instead of the Lord Jesus; that He had a work for him to perform, inasmuch as he should prove faithful before Him.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 171

“Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176

“When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was groveling in darkness.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 73

“With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199

“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171

“...the time came when Paganism was engrafted into Christianity, and at last Christianity was converted into Paganism rather than converting the Pagans. And subsequently the Priesthood was taken from among men, this authority was re-called into the heavens, and the world was left without the Priesthood—without the power of God—without the Church and Kingdom of God.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 22, p. 44

Apostle Heber C. Kimball (1802 - 1868):

“Christians—those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers’ sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.

- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89

Prophet John Taylor (1808 - 1887):

“Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.”

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167

“Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom.”

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 127

“What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.”

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

“What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God.”

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

Apostle Orson Pratt (1811 - 1881):

“Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon’ whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of Christian Churches ... But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“... who, in his right mind, could, for one moment, suppose the Bible in its present form to be a perfect guide? Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution so as to convey the same sense now that it did in the original.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, “The Bible and Tradition, without Further Revelation, an insufficient Guide,” Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon – No. 3, December 1, 1850, p. 47; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 383-384

“This great apostacy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now. A short time after the death of the last of the Apostles, the Christian Church, what few of them remained, were persecuted from mountain to mountain, from den to den, from one cave of the earth to another, and from nation to nation until they were entirely exterminated and rooted out of the earth. Well, what was left? An apostate Christianity, a Christianity without revelators, without any voice of God, without any Prophets to unfold the future, without visions, without any communications from the heavens.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 44

“This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of the pagan religion, adopting many of their ceremonies and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the pagans embraced Christianity and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostacy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion. This great and corrupt power is also represented by John as presenting a golden cup to the nations, full of all manner of filthiness and abominations.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 14, p. 346

“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be. They say, “We have built chapels unto the name of the Lord; we call our Churches Christian Churches, they are called the Church of Christ, St. John’s Church, St. Paul’s Church, St. Peter’s Church, and after others of the ancient Apostles;” and one who had never studied the pattern which God has given of the Christian Church would almost really believe that they are Christian Churches. But there has been a long apostacy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance, and they are represented in the revelations of St. John as a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, having a golden cup in her hand, full of filthiness and abominations, full of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; that in her forehead there was a name written—”Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots.” This kind of a church has existed in great abundance, for as John the Revelator says, she was to have her dominion upon many waters, and she was to make all nations drunken with the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“Q. After the Church of Christ fled from earth to heaven, what was left? A. A set of wicked Apostates, murderers, and idolaters, who, after having made war with the saints, and overcome them, and destroyed them out of the earth, were left to follow the wicked imaginations of their own corrupt hearts, and to build up churches by human authority, and to follow after the cunning craftiness of uninspired men; having no Apostle, Prophet, or Revelator to inquire of God for them: and thus, because of wickedness, the Church, and Priesthood, and gifts, and ordinances and blessings of the everlasting Gospel, were taken from the earth, and reserved in heaven until the fulness of times, when it was predicted that they should again be restored among men to continue until the end should come.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Chapter 16, p. 205

Prophet Wilford Woodruff (1807 - 1898):

“The Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called”

- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 196

Apostle George Q. Cannon (1827 - 1901):

“After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon.”

- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith (1876 - 1972):

“Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness.”

- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 266

“For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the ‘Christian’ churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men.”

- Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 282

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie (1915 - 1985):

“...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

“... all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ.... in large part the worship of apostate Christendom is performed in ignorance, as much so as was the worship of the Athenians who bowed the Unknown Gods.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 269, 374-375

Prophet Ezra Taft Benson (1899 - 1994):

“This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth...”

- Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 164-165

Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley (1910 - ):

“We accept that as a statement which came to him [Joseph Smith’s vision in which he was told all other religions were “abominations”], which is printed, of course, and published in his history as a statement. But we go forward with a friendly relationship, with a respect for people everywhere and with an effort to accept them as we meet them and, where opportunity exists, to talk with them and explain to them what we believe.... We don’t criticize them for what they believe. We accept the good that comes of that understanding which they have, but we feel we having something to offer beyond what they have.”

- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, interview with Richard Ostling, as quoted in Mormon America, by Richard and Joan Ostling, p. 323

“Said he [a Protestant minister] ‘I’ve been all through this building, this temple which carries on its face the name of Jesus Christ, but nowhere have I seen any representation of the cross, the symbol of Christianity. I have noted your buildings elsewhere and likewise find an absence of the cross. Why is this when you say you believe in Jesus Christ.’ I responded:‘ I do not wish to give offense to any of my Christian brethren who use the cross on the steeples of their cathedrals and at the altars of their chapels, who wear it on their vestments, and imprint it on their books and other literature. But for us, the cross is the symbol of the dying Christ, while our message is a declaration of the living Christ.’ He then asked: ‘If you do not use the cross, what is the symbol of your religion?’ I replied that the lives of our people must become the only meaningful expression of our faith and, in fact, therefore, the symbol of our worship.”

- Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley, General Conference, April 1975

Others:

“… we can see the situation in which the world now stands that the eyes of the whole world are blinded, that the chuches have all become corrupted, yea every church upon the face of the earth; that the Gospel of Christ is nowhere preached.”

- Lucy Mack Smith, Joseph Smith Jr.’s mother, letter to Solomon Mack, January 6, 1831, reprinted, in Vogel, Early Mormon Documents, v. 1, p. 216

“God is not at its head, making that church [i.e., Christianity] – following the appearance in it of Satan – no longer the church of God. To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the apostles is not to say that all that is in it is Satanic.”

- Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9


16 posted on 07/10/2011 4:19:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: delacoert

Woohoo, I finally made to an anti Mormon thread.

Wow this is cool.

I don’t recall any Mormon that I have met, want to cut my head off. I have met a few of THAT other religion that does. Oh and they express that exact desire directly to me.

What is it about Mormons that people get so uptight about?


17 posted on 07/10/2011 4:21:03 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: Da Coyote

It IS on the appropriate forum - the religion forum.

And your comments belie that you know nothing of Mormonism.


18 posted on 07/10/2011 4:21:18 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: teppe; Colofornian

Maybe, we should try to stop usurping Christ’s Judgement about who is acceptable to him and who is not .

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It isn’t Christian to let people follow a false Christ. And the Bible makes it clear.

Christians follow the Bible, unlike the LDS.

And how ‘christian’ is it of Mormons like you who support 52k missionaries who go out to try to convert Christians to Mormonism and claim all other churches are ‘apostate’ and only they have the truth.

Hypocrite.


19 posted on 07/10/2011 4:23:57 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Regulator

Well .... I guarantee that you were treated better as a “gentile” in Utah

....than the LDS people were treated by the local “Christians” when the Church was centered in New York, Ohio, Illinois and Missouri in the 1800s

...no wonder, the LDS people aren’t as interested in joining your brand of Christian Club .... fact is .... it didn’t act very Christlike.


20 posted on 07/10/2011 4:24:17 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: muleskinner
Whatsamatter Bishop, can't take a little reality?

Note that I said "at one time or another"...that means I did get around the rather blatant discrimination that many Mormons practice against their countrymen.

And the grievances that the church promotes to this day that underpins all of that...Nauvoo, the Missouri persecutions, the Emigration, etc.

All of which is really hilarious to me since I'm related to half the pioneer Mormons in Utah due to family members in the Emigration. But uh, still just another Protestant, not a Latter Day Saint...

Garments too tight this morning?

21 posted on 07/10/2011 4:24:26 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: teppe

Thanks for showing you know nothing about who Christ really is. Appreciate it.


22 posted on 07/10/2011 4:25:22 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: hinckley buzzard
"There is some thirteen year-old moron here."

Summed up the anti-Mormons pretty succinctly there.
23 posted on 07/10/2011 4:27:36 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: delacoert

welcome to America. you have the right to practice any religion you wish, free from persecution

of course, there will be plenty of asshats that think their religion is better then another. ignore them. they’re idiots and have no idea what country they’re in let along what it stands for or how/why it was founded.

one religions magical underpants is anothers funny hats & fish on fridays. whatever. if it works for you, good for you. you have ZER0 right to attack/ridicule another religion.

for the asshats... go google the federalist papers. at the very least, you should read the US Constitution.

try to not move your lips


24 posted on 07/10/2011 4:28:03 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: teppe

It all depends on which Jesus Christ you are devoted to. The Jesus Christ of Mormon theology or Yashua of Christianity.


25 posted on 07/10/2011 4:29:03 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: occamrzr06

What is it about Mormons that people get so uptight about?

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They lead people to hell and lie to their members about their history and doctrine.

And that is just for starters.

And they would start beheding people if they thought they could get by with it just like Islam would do it here if they thought they could.

“If the people let us alone, we will preach the gospel in peace. But if they come on us to molest us, we will establish our religion with the sword. We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of blood…from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be to this generation a 2nd Muhammad, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Al-Qur’an or the sword.’ So shall it be with us — ‘Joseph Smith or the sword!’ (See History of the Church, Vol. 3, p. 167).”


26 posted on 07/10/2011 4:29:27 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: hinckley buzzard
Then consider that every time you trash a religious belief different from your own, you give aid and comfort to the enemy.

I think that's the idea.

One of the most appealing things about Mormons is the low-life enemies which they have.

27 posted on 07/10/2011 4:31:10 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: teppe; Regulator

I guarantee that you were treated better as a “gentile” in Utah

....than the LDS people were treated by the local “Christians” when the Church was centered in New York, Ohio, Illinois and Missouri in the 1800s

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FAIL, EPIC FAIL. It was the LDS who went in there, determined to take over the politics, who lied, cheated, stole and attacked the gentiles first.

Even down to destroying a printing press because it exposed polygamy.

But the LDS LOVE to play the victim card, even when the facts state otherwise. Your excuse of bad Mormon behavior is appalling and typical of Mormons as is your hatred of Christians.

Regulator, I know where you are coming from, I’ve seen it. And the only thing worst than being a non-Mormon in Utah is being an EX-Mormon.


28 posted on 07/10/2011 4:33:26 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: sten

welcome to America. you have the right to practice any religion you wish, free from persecution

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Newsflash you idiot, we have the same right to speak out against that religion. I have a right to ridicule ANY and ALL religion. Freedom of Religion works both ways - try reading the constitution yourself.

BTW, I suspect by your comments that you are a liberal (free speech for you but not for those who disagree with you).

I also suspect you know NOTHING about what Mormonism really teaches.


29 posted on 07/10/2011 4:37:10 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Da Coyote

I’d sooner be ruled by an entire senate and house of Mormons than I would have even one Muslim there.

I’ve lived in “all Mormon” communities. It’s hard to describe to anyone that hasn’t experienced that. One thing that becomes obvious is that there is a world of diffence between my Mormon neighbors, and those I meet in the community, and the Mormon heirarchy. I wish there was a way to discuss that without vitreol.
If Mitt Romney were to become President it wouldn’t be any different than electing, for example, George Soros. Mitt would bring an influence into the White House that would be dangerous for our country.
Sometimes, choosing flavor “B” over flavor “A” is not the solution.
The heirarchy is not about religeon, but about control in the worst way.
I’m a nobody. Don’t take my word for it. Research.


30 posted on 07/10/2011 4:37:10 PM PDT by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
You know, I'm not a Mormon, never was one. And the Mormons don't need me to carry their water.

Yet there you are on thread after thread, fighting the Mormon fight, and attacking Christians.

31 posted on 07/10/2011 4:39:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: WestwardHo

Well said and accurate.


32 posted on 07/10/2011 4:42:45 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: reaganaut

you’re so delusional you don’t realize you’re attacking another person’s choice of religion

go to iran if you want to push religious wars

that attitude is not American and is not welcome here. never has been... never will.

the country was founded by people running from people like you.

your attitudes are as anti-American as it gets


33 posted on 07/10/2011 4:44:12 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Vigilanteman
One of the most appealing things about Mormons is the low-life enemies which they have.

I see the low-lifes on the opposite side, the Mormonism side attracts freerepublic's atheists, anti-social conservatives, anti-Christians, ex Romneybots, current Romneybots, and anti-conservative bottom feeders of every stripe, in huge numbers.

34 posted on 07/10/2011 4:48:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: delacoert
ARE MORMONS ANTI-CHRISTIAN?

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YES

35 posted on 07/10/2011 4:49:30 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: delacoert
As long as they don't start flying airliners into skyscrapers, or training guerillas to blow up public places, or start killing random strangers out in public because they might be Christians, I don't CARE what they are.
36 posted on 07/10/2011 4:51:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: sten

Actually the country was founded by people that were more strict on, and less forgiving about religion than we are today.

As far as Mormonism goes the federal government had to step in against them in the 1800s.


37 posted on 07/10/2011 4:54:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: delacoert

Mormonism is NOT Christianity

The foul practice of polygamy is not part of Christianity..

Idol worship of the pagan Joey Smith is not part of Christianity...

Multiple gods are not part of Christianity...

A non-virgin Mary is not part of Christianity...

Only males going to Heaven is not part of Christianity...

Males becoming gods is not part of Christianity...

Males ruling their own planet is not part of Christianity...

A priesthood system as practiced by the mormons is not part of Christianity

Women as sex slaves in a harem is not part of Christianity...

Women having babies forever is not part of Christianity...

Women being called from their graves by husbands who decide the woman’s fate is not part of Christianity...

Degradation of women through adultery and so called “celestial marriage” is not part of Christianity...

Three levels of Heaven is not part of Christianity

Sex in Heaven is not part of Christianity…

Men marrying their mother-in-law is not part of Christianity…

Men marrying their daughter-in-law is not part of Christianity..

Men marrying their wife’s sister is not part of Christianity

Special underwear are not part of Christianity..

Special ceremony clothes are not part of Christianity…

Joey Smith deciding who gets into Heaven is not part of Christianity...

Joey Smith as the savior is not part of Christianity...

Recognizing and worshipping the blasphemous Joey Smith is not part of Christianty...

Dead dunking is not part of Christianity...

The idol on top of the mormon temples is not part of Christianity...

The mormon temples are not part of Christianity...

Gathering in “zion” whether its in Missouri or Utah is not part of Christianity...

The return of the mormon jesus to Missouri is not part of Christianity...

The belief that the garden of Eden was in Missouri is not part of Christianity...

People living on the sun and the moon is not part of Christianity...

The belief that the mormon jesus visited Central America is not part of Christianity...

Freemasonry as practiced by the mormons is not part of Christianity...

Endowments are not part of Christianity...

The book of mormon is not part of Christianity

The tall tales of Joey Smith are not part of Christianity

Mythical ancient civilizations in Central America are not part of Christianity

The so called “visions” and false prophecies of Joey Smith are not part of Christianity

The mormon Mary having sex with one of the mormon gods is not part of Christianity...

The absence of a cross on a building is not part of Christianity

Pagan and Freemasonry symbols on a building are not part of Christianity

“Going through the temple” is not part of Christianity...

The denial that Jesus is God is not part of Christianity...

The denial that the Holy Ghost is God is not part of Christianity...

The denial of the Trinity is not part of Christianity...

The belief that the mormon god was once a man is not part of Christianity

The belief that the mormon god was a polygamist is not part of Christianity...

The belief that the mormon jesus was a polygamist is not part of Christianity...

The belief that monogamy...one man, one woman...is prostitution is not part of Christianity...

The belief that David went to Hell forever is not part of Christianity.

The belief that David will not be in Heaven is not part of Christianity….

Paying tithes to be saved is not part of Christianity......

Works to be saved is not part of Christianity

Being a member of the mormon corporation is not part of Christianity...

The mormon jesus sweating in the Garden of Gethsemane for “atonement” is not part of Christianity...

The insulting, degrading, blasphemous false religion of mormonism is not Christianity...

I have never stopped MORMONS from practicing their own religion..

They are free to do so...

I do however state once again for the record...

Mormonism is NOT Christianity...

And if that’s considered “nasty” I’m in good company...

Because I’m just agreeing with the God of the Christian Bible...

King James Version included...


38 posted on 07/10/2011 4:55:15 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ansel12

yes, the puritans were more strict... that doesn’t matter. the point was they fled religious persecution and helped found a country within which ALL citizens are free to practice / worship how they see fit

free from persecution

which is what this thread is attempting to do

personally, i see these threads on FR as phoney libtards posing as fringe Christian types attacking mormons in an attempt to divide the conservative base. they went into overdrive when Romney was running. looks like they’re ramping up again


39 posted on 07/10/2011 4:59:29 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: teppe

That post was weird, they created the religion of Mormonism, because if they did, then Christians would not like them, so they had to created the religion of Mormonism in response?


40 posted on 07/10/2011 4:59:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: delacoert

I really don’t think Mormons are anti-Christian, I just think they are the most gullible bunch among religious people. And when you’re gullible, you’re almost always walking the wrong path and being lead by someone who takes advantage of it.


41 posted on 07/10/2011 5:00:47 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: sten

Frankly I see the efforts of the defenders of Mormonism as being anti-Christian and anti-conservative.

The defenders of Mormonism are primarily made up of freerepublic’s atheists, anti-social conservatives, anti-Christians, ex Romneybots, current Romneybots, and anti-conservative bottom feeders of every stripe, in huge numbers.


42 posted on 07/10/2011 5:03:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: sten
Go read about Mary Dwyer/Dyer...the Quaker Martyr and get back to me. She was an ancestor of mine. Point is..they brought it all along with them from Europe-which they were supposed to be escaping from.

Matter of fact, the Dwyer/Dyer thing was supposed to be the catalyst of Freedom of Religion in bill of rights.

43 posted on 07/10/2011 5:07:56 PM PDT by crz
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To: sten

Um...actually it is welcome here and it is allowed (on FR at least).

I know I’m attacking the Mormon religion, no delusion there. And that is my constitutional right and my CHRISTIAN DUTY. As a Christian (and an Ex-Mormon) I am called to speak out against any religion that mocks my Savior and teaches lies about Him while leading people to Hell.

Freedom of religion works both ways, buddy.

The delusion lies in your thinking that Mormons have a right to practice their faith unmolested and that it is in the constitution.

Do you know that the US was on the verge of DECLARING WAR against the Mormons?


44 posted on 07/10/2011 5:08:35 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: ansel12

so by your own admission, you’re attitude is in the minority

i defend anyone’s right to practice a religion, free from persecution... which include ridicule, as that’s where it starts.

haughty judgments by those that are ‘right’ is an affront to the Constitution... and i will attack any attempting to debase or defame another’s religion, regardless whether or not i agree with that religion. if i didn’t, i’d be a hypocrite.


45 posted on 07/10/2011 5:12:01 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: ZX12R

I really don’t think Mormons are anti-Christian,

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Then please read my long list of quotes upthread. Mormons are very anti-Christian and it is a foundational teaching of their church.

I can give you more quotes (all from LDS sources) if you wish.


46 posted on 07/10/2011 5:14:44 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: sten

free from persecution

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Speaking the truth about a cult and countering their unbiblcal teachings is NOT ‘persecution’. Even ridicule is NOT persecution.

Jailing and killing them IS persecution and no one here is advocating that.

We want to see them saved, not dead.


47 posted on 07/10/2011 5:18:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: sten
so by your own admission, you’re attitude is in the minority

LOL, No, freerepublic is not majority "made up of freerepublic’s atheists, anti-social conservatives, anti-Christians, ex Romneybots, current Romneybots, and anti-conservative bottom feeders of every stripe," those people are in the minority here, it is revealing that as a Mormonism warrior, that you would have such a twisted view of freerepublic though.

48 posted on 07/10/2011 5:21:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: mrreaganaut

Ping to #24


49 posted on 07/10/2011 5:23:07 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: delacoert

The Mormons are Anti-Christians, and do not acknowledge and worship the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible

Jesus, who is Eternal..

Jesus who is from everlasting to everlasting..

Jesus the Alpha and Omega..

Jesus, the Lamb of God..

Jesus who is God...

Jesus the Word of God...

Jesus who is the Second person of the Trinity..

Jesus who is the ONLY Begotten Son of the Father...

Jesus who was born of a virgin who never had sex with man or mormon god...

Jesus who shed His saving Blood UPON THE CROSS to save us...

Jesus who died UPON THE CROSS to save us...

Jesus who rose again the third day to save us...

Jesus who was never a victim but chose to die for us…

Jesus who is Lord of Lords and King of Kings...

Jesus whom the false prophet, Joey Smith lied about...

Jesus who never lost or moved HIS Church from the Earth (and why on Earth would He ???)

Jesus the Righteous who has never needed any foul evil Joey Smith to restore HIS Church..
(Anyone saying that Joey Smith so called “restored” the Church that Jesus built is being “insulting, degrading and blasphemous” to jesus (SD))

Jesus whom Joey Smith the liar never met...

Jesus who destroyed Joey Smith..

Jesus who judged Joey Smith as an unbeliever an an enemy of God and the Church.....

Jesus who condemned the disgraceful unrepentant sinner, Joey Smith to Hell ...

Jesus who is Savior of the Christians as Joey Smith is the false savior of the mormons...

Jesus who will judge who gets into the Christian Heaven while Joey Smith who claimed falsely it would be him is screaming for help in Hell that he earned...

That Jesus...

Any other jesus is not the right one...


50 posted on 07/10/2011 5:23:35 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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