If Jesus can be divinely revealed in a bag of Cheetos, why not a wafer?
Posted on 08/02/2011 1:38:12 AM PDT by GADEL
The story of a Eucharistic Miracle that happened in Kumasi a city in Ghana in the 1990s. A Protestant man took the picture of the Monstrance during the Corpus Christi procession and after the image was processed, an image of Jesus Christ was the result.
Find the article over here Eucharistic Miracle: Face of Jesus captured by a Skeptic
(Excerpt) Read more at gadel4u.blogspot.com ...
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Sweet Christ, truly present in Your Blessed Sacrament: have mercy on us.
We could never merit such a tremendous treasure: this, the free gift of Your body and blood.
I think you’re going to regret not posting this as a Catholic Caucus thread.
Do I believe in eucharistic miracles???
Absolutely!!!!!!!
Praise God for this!
I would be careful about this one... If I understand Eucharistic Miracles correctly they are researched by the church and involve the transformation of the host such as at the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano discussed here.
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
1) I don’t believe the article nor the never ceasing stream of supposed miracles pouring out of the catholic faith.
2) I do believe Jesus is the Christ however, and that miracles can indeed happen.
Can you clarify? Do you believe there are no miracles happening? Or do you believe they are happening but are not from God?
“... In the 1990s ...”
“... A Protestant man ...”
You are so eager to see your heresies affirmed that you’ll believe any story, even ones that are obvious hoaxes. What kind of faith is it when it’s built on such fabrications. This is one reason it is good to base our faith in Jesus on what is written in Scripture, not in urban legends.
Jesus has revealed Himself already. And not through a piece of bread in Africa in the 1990s. Faith in Jesus is sufficient; this bread thing is a distraction.
He’s saying that God still performs miracles, but this is not one.
How do they know it is an image of Jesus? Where in scripture does it give a detailed enough description of His appearance that one could know an image is His image?
The reality is, they don't know what He looks like. They want to see an image of Jesus, and so anything they can imagine looking like an image of a guy with long hair and a beard is said to be an image of Christ.
... and I have to wonder how this “skeptic” supposedly got close enough and still enough to capture this photo.
My Roman Catholic friends: Jesus can be found. But not in a wafer.
Thank you for defining the limits of the Lord’s power
I would be interested if you have any ideas into why? You likely have a unique perspective being a former.
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He defines them, not me.
So, do you believe this urban legend? Have you fallen for this hoax?
Sure, I suppose God could imprint the famous painting of Jesus onto a piece of toast. Kinda strange, though. Not sure why photocopying an old painting onto food would be in any way meaningful to one’s faith in Jesus.
Is there any biblical precedence for God putting graven images into food?
God’s not really in the business of putting ‘graven images’ anywhere. He’s pretty specific about staying away from that whole worshipping objects mess...
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GADEL
Gadel, I have a question for you: Where did you get this story from that you posted to your blog?
Absolutely. No. Doubt. This will get ugly.
As with anything else worthwhile, it takes time, paying attention, and trial-and-error.
btw - I believe the consecrated Eucharist is in and of itself a miracle
Eucharistic miracles can and have happened. Is this one?
Probably not. Photos are too easily manipulated.
Jesus is not IN the wafer. Jesus IS the wafer. If you're going to criticize Catholic teaching at least get the theology correct.
Aw, you’re bursting their balloon. You’re crushing their faith in wafers.
Jesus is insufficient, so people must look to an image on a piece of food. Excuse me, an image IN a piece of food.
“Jesus is the wafer.”
Um. How even to respond ...
I think you mistake me for a protestant. I am a Catholic Christian who believes in the Eucharist. I am just skeptical of things like this because it does more harm than good for believers.
Certainly, Jesus is not insufficient and no Catholic would ever say such a ridiculous thing.
I have sympathy for those who cling to such “miracles” as they are desperate for a sign that God/Jesus is real.
Even the Apostles asked for a sign.
He knows. He was just overjoyed to have words to twist. For what it’s worth, I believe yours was a great, sensible post.
I understand your problem, Theo. It is tough when you're in over your head.
Hint: study up on transubstantiation.
Perfect!!
If Jesus can be divinely revealed in a bag of Cheetos, why not a wafer?
Apparently, Jesus IS the Cheetos, too!
I’m waiting for the Pizza Hut Easter pizza called the Cheezus Crust.
I knew a man who saw Jesus in the Eucharist once while he was praying in adoration. He wasn’t looking for a miracle and didn’t go around advertising it.
Jesus keeps trying to enter our lives and show us he is really present. The travelers on the road to Emmaus in the Bible recognized Jesus in the breaking of the bread. Makes sense to me that He has been revealing Himself to needy souls ever since.
Also: re: having a photograph as evidence of Divine Presence— I sat next to a guy on a plane once who had a photograph of his Bible Study group that he was using as a bookmark in his Bible. The people had Holy Spirit flames on their heads. I can’t remember for sure now if they took the photo when they saw the flames or if it came out when the film was developed, but I think it was the former, because in the days before digital cameras, you didn’t usually whip out your camera to take a picture in the middle of your Bible Study Group session for no particular reason.
An easy task for a twisted mind, I suppose.
So, “Jesus is a wafer.”
It is true that the Son of God was incarnated as a man. But He was never further incarnated into a wafer.
And, no, “Jesus is a wafer” is not transubstantiation. Transubstantiation speaks of the “Real Presence” of Christ in the bread. I don’t know any Roman Catholic scholars who would summarize that as, “Jesus is a wafer.”
You’re not a newbym Hegewisch Dupal. You know better than to talk about someone without including them in the conversation. Especially when your words are accusatory.
Watch it, Jvette. No personal attacks are allowed on FR.
I see that your blog was miraculously excerpted down to like one sentence. Amazing!
Moving on.
Since you insisted in denying the Body of Christ, the term wafer was used (since you’re clearly comfortable with it) when explaining how the Lord is not IN a wafer, but rather what you call a wafer IS the Lord’s Body. Wow, you managed to point out the danger when talking down to an audience who pretends they don’t know better...
You wrote, “Even the Apostles asked for a sign.” What kind of sign were they looking for? A image of a vintage painting on some food?
Consider the words of Jesus:
“An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah” (Matthew 12:39, 16:4).
“Why does this generation ask for a miraculous sign? I tell you the truth, no sign will be given to it” (Mark 8:12).
Did the Apostles really ask to see am image in a piece of bread? They would be horrified by this ...
fair ‘nuf - my apologies
Nothing personal in that post, just a general observation.
I’m denying the Body of Christ because I refuse to believe unbiblical heresy? Nah.
Consider the words of the Apostle Paul 1 Cor:11:23-28:
For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
Paul calls the bread ... bread! And what is in the cup? Is it blood? No, Paul records Jesus as saying that this cup is “the new covenant IN My blood.” And it’s taken “in remembrance” of Jesus.
We proclaim Jesus’ death by eating the BREAD (to use Jesus’ words and Paul’s words). You can say you’re eating Jesus’ skin, but I’ll defer to Jesus and Paul, who called it ... wait for it ... wait for it ... “bread.”
I already state quite clearly my opinion on such “signs” and merely expressed a sympathy for people who are so desperate that they would see one or even manufacture one.
As usual, the point is missed in the haste to ridicule or debase rather than debate.
In comment #32, you said that I have “a twisted mind.” Presumably because I haven’t bought into this urban legend about an ancient painting appearing on food somewhere in Africa sometime in the 1990s by some ambiguous “Protestant” “skeptic.”
Saying I have “a twisted mind” IS a personal attack.
You were not mentioned in the my post.
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