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Why are prominent pro-lifers swimming the Tiber?
OSV ^ | August 4, 2011 | Kevin Birnbaum

Posted on 08/04/2011 8:36:59 AM PDT by NYer

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To: ansel12

You really want to defend the abortion voters and now try to create a myth that the KKK was not supportive of the same anti Catholic and anti immigrant bigotry as the GOP? Why?


61 posted on 08/04/2011 10:51:38 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: narses
I want to expose the pro-abortion vote, why does that upset you so and lead you to start making personal attacks on me, and oddly, to start attacking the pro-life GOP?
62 posted on 08/04/2011 11:09:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12

ROTFLMAO! Your lies are a hoot. Sad but funny. Get help.


63 posted on 08/04/2011 11:22:08 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: narses
Getting on a thread merely to post a series of personal attacks, does not change the reality of the Catholic voter, and it does nothing to change it.
64 posted on 08/04/2011 11:30:27 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12

Getting on a thread merely to post a series of spam attacks, does not change the reality of the orthodox, pro life Catholic voter, and it does nothing to change the voting of the liberals of every faith.

So why do you keep telling one sided lies in your spam attacks on Catholic threads? Have you no shame?


65 posted on 08/04/2011 11:34:23 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: narses
Evidently learning how Catholics vote has enraged you, but it would be better to put your mind to what can be done to move some of that pro-abortion Catholic voting into the pro-life Republican column.
66 posted on 08/04/2011 11:47:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12

Your odd obsessions and bigotry appear to have enraged you. Perhaps if you spent your time where liberals posted your efforts might find fertile ground. Here bigotry and lies get scorned for the rotten fruit that they are. Get help for your rage, you need it.


67 posted on 08/05/2011 12:05:51 AM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: narses
Only conservatives are interested in converting Catholics to pro-life voting, liberals like it as it is.

I notice that you can't find a lie, that you are merely parroting that line in place of focusing on the pro-life subject of this thread and my of posts.

68 posted on 08/05/2011 12:13:07 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12

LOL, your lies are self evident. What is this thread about? PRO LIFE CATHOLICS. Your lie? That Catholics vote for death. You need help.


69 posted on 08/05/2011 12:15:09 AM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: narses

The lie is you trying to pretend that the facts don’t exist and attempting to keep those facts from politically oriented pro-lifers.

Those efforts of yours serves the proabortion side, not the prolife side, put your pride aside, and try to think of effecting change, not preventing it.

We don’t need problems as described in post 47 and 41.


70 posted on 08/05/2011 12:28:21 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12; narses
try to figure out a way to change it, if you care.

Of course we're changing it -- but the ordinary guy on the street sees two choices -- one the GOP, which seems filled with folks like yours who keep saying "all caflicks bad, bad, bad." and the dims who actually DO believe this, but go coasting on their past attitudes (50s).

We are changing this, but if we keep having examples such as the many on FR who call catholics the worst kind of names, then the choice seems to be between a rock and a hard place

You want us to change this? Then stop being a bad advertisement for the democrat's demonisation of the GOP

the GOP is not racist, not Anti-Catholic, but the many freepers who portray it like so by their actions and words are damaging the party. Stop it.

71 posted on 08/05/2011 1:57:00 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: xzins

What an irrelevant post.


72 posted on 08/05/2011 2:11:19 AM PDT by Chunga ("Woo hoo!! Palin/West 2012. Unbeatable!!" - Jim Robinson)
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To: ansel12
All you had to do was ask, it is a Gallup poll.

Your anti Catholic position is well known and highly visible. At any rate, if you are making a point and appropriate information, data, or graphics, it is considered good form to attribute it.

From the page:

Survey Methods

Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,015 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted May 7-10, 2009. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

Gallup Poll Daily results are based on telephone interviews with 971 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted May 12-13, 2009, as part of Gallup Poll Daily tracking. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.


One of the practical difficulties with surveys conducted with this methodology is that people like me refuse to participate. That skews the poll somewhat just on that basis.

73 posted on 08/05/2011 5:26:05 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: ansel12
The following chart seems to indicate "white" Catholics are more conservative voters than non-white Catholics. I assume the Latino/Hispanic Catholic vote is the bulk of that "non-white" vote. In my experience as a military chaplain, there weren't great numbers of African-American Catholics.


74 posted on 08/05/2011 5:43:40 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Chunga

Had you been following the discussion, you’d know it had touched on the path that former democrats took when “converting” to conservatism.

Look before you leap.


75 posted on 08/05/2011 5:52:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: ansel12
Info from the 2009 Pew Research shows the following (PDF document copy/pasted) http://www.pewforum.org/Abortion/Support-for-Abortion-Slips.aspx

Legal, illegal, Don't Know
Catholic.................45 45 10
...White non-Hisp...47 44 9
...Attend weekly....26 67 8
...Attend less..........62 29 9
...Hispanic**.........39 48 13

Look at the numbers for "attend weekly". Faithful, regularly-attending Catholics reject abortion by a huge margin: Legal 26%; Illegal 67%; Don't Know 8%.

This study shows movement in the direction of life as well, but I don't know how to transport pdf charts to html on free republic.

76 posted on 08/05/2011 6:23:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Cronos

You can see why little is done about Catholic voting by the response to someone bringing it up. No one wants to endure the personal attacks I do by getting into the actual proabortion/anti-conservative voting of Catholics.

The problem is denied, the facts disputed and attacked rather than discussed.

Look at the facts about prop 71, something that was very important to me, look at the difference between the Catholic Bishops and the Catholic voter, not one person seems interested in that here. Not one person seems to share my shock and disappointment at finding out how Catholics voted, not one Conservative Catholic here seems to want to do anything about it, they just want the information to not be brought to their attention.


77 posted on 08/05/2011 8:01:00 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: MarkBsnr

How you can find anti-Catholicism in learning the data on voting while reading at a conservative, activist political site, especially on prop 71, goes a long way to explaining the Catholic vote. Shoot, shovel, and cover up, protects the Catholic liberal vote, I don’t want to hide it and protect it, I want it to come under attack by conservative Catholics that want conservatives to win and that do not want their church to be a tool of the left.


78 posted on 08/05/2011 8:06:26 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: xzins

Yes white Catholics have started becoming more Republican in recent years by a slim margin, they are more republican than Hispanic Protestants but not by a huge margin.

This small shift among white Catholics has come too little too late after an almost perfect history of voting Democrat until recently, as white people that are Catholic begin to see the writing on the wall, immigration is replacing them in the Catholic church.

We all know where this Catholic trend is heading.


79 posted on 08/05/2011 8:16:22 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: ansel12
How you can find anti-Catholicism in learning the data on voting while reading at a conservative, activist political site, especially on prop 71, goes a long way to explaining the Catholic vote. Shoot, shovel, and cover up, protects the Catholic liberal vote, I don’t want to hide it and protect it, I want it to come under attack by conservative Catholics that want conservatives to win and that do not want their church to be a tool of the left.

You'd be surprised at the extent of antiCatholicism. The RM has thankfully banned some hate sites. But trust me on this: an ever greater number of us are fighting the liberals, and now we have a great Pope on our side.

80 posted on 08/05/2011 8:29:23 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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