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What is a Christian
http://www.janereinheimer.com ^ | Jane Reinheimer

Posted on 08/10/2011 8:11:57 AM PDT by janereinheimer

How would you define "Christian?"

I've been giving this a lot of thought lately. It goes back a couple of weeks when someone made a comment that someone who's been in the news a lot lately was not a "Christian."

I take an existential view of that because I believe that anyone who has had a Christian baptism is a Christian.

Where I depart company from the pious and sanctimonious definitions of others is when their definition of Christian is really a definition of being "Christ-like."

Oh, for sure, I would hope that Christians everywhere would behave in a Christ-like manner. But there are a lot of people who have had a Christian baptism who are far from behaving like Christ did. They are corrupt sinners in need of salvation. They may or may not ever repent of their rotten, sinful lives until they are within minutes of drawing their last breath. But even at that last breath, if they truly repent and ask God for forgiveness, then I believe that our loving, forgiving God will open the gates of heaven and receive that sinner. Just as surely as he will receive the person who has tried hard to lead a Christ-like life.

For instance, C. S. Lewis wasn't exactly known for his faith in God when he got started in his writing career. In fact, he set out in his early writings to prove God didn't exist at all.

Then, voila, an experience touched him. I've not read all that's to be read about Lewis or from Lewis, but I have a deep suspicion that the Holy Spirit got ahold of him because he became one of the most profound Christian writers ever to draw breath.

And then there was that other guy of New Testament fame -remember Saul? He ran around with execution warrants in his pocket so that he could mow down any Christians he happened to come across while he was going thither and yon throughout the lands of what we call the Holy Land. Remember Damascus? Jesus went to Syria to find Saul. Struck him down blind. Then someone drug Saul off to stay at his house while Saul recuperated from that insane notion that all Christians ought to be killed.

Blindness. That's how Jesus got Saul's attention. Well, Jesus healed his blindness. Not only did Saul get his sight back but he got a new, improved name too. From then on, he was called Paul. And fortunately for Christians everywhere, we have Paul. The New Testament would be a pretty slim volume without all the writings of Paul.

He was one grand letter writer, let me tell you!

But back to this sanctimonious person who thinks it's okay to go around making judgments about whether a person is a Christian or not.

She wouldn't agree that someone I went to jail to counsel for the best part of a year and a half was a Christian.* And then one day, out of that miracle place in the universe that we call nowhere, this murderer told me he wanted to take communion.

I told him he'd have to talk with a pastor about repentance if he wanted to do that.

He said he was ready. He wanted communion before he went to trial.

Do you know that I called about ten pastors before I found one who agreed to go to the jail and talk to this person? And yes, the pastor said he'd bring communion just in case the client confessed the sins of double murder.

Where would sinners be if we were not the road back to the Lord when they took the wrong turn?

Isn't sanctimony and piety very un-Christ-like behavior in themselves?

Where would the young teenage girl be if I had refused to see her because she was dabbling in Satanism?*

Or how about the wife who had committed adultery and was afraid to confess her sin to her pastor.* Even though her husband had forgiven her, she was most hopeful that God had too.

How can any one of us ever say that just because someone got off on the wrong path that they weren't Christians anymore?

Rather, it's our job as Christians to pray for sinners that they may somehow find the way back to a loving and forgiving Lord.

We are never, ever supposed to crawl back into our sanctimonious little turtle of a shell and declare a sinner a non-Christian. God does not like that.

*used with permission

P.S. It's discouraging that a very small percentage of pastors, priests and other spiritual leaders shed such a dim shadow across the field of spiritual shepherds who are very compassionate and loving and Christ-like. I thank God that these pastors outnumber those who focus on negativity and unforgiveness with sinners who seek their counsel; with sinners who need most of all to know that their sins are forgiven. There are a great many pastors who do not withhold the Means of Grace to repentant sinners.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Theology
KEYWORDS: christian; christianity; grace; repentance
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1 posted on 08/10/2011 8:12:08 AM PDT by janereinheimer
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To: janereinheimer

The Scriptures are clear. Those whom the Father gave to Jesus (the elect).


2 posted on 08/10/2011 8:19:46 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: janereinheimer
Definition: a validly baptized person who believes in the Trinity and the Incarnation.
3 posted on 08/10/2011 8:20:13 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: janereinheimer

But he who merely hears and does not practice doing My words is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation, against which the torrent burst, and immediately it collapsed and fell, and the breaking and ruin of that house was great.


4 posted on 08/10/2011 8:21:08 AM PDT by hometoroost (Per Oceander: The only guarantees in life are death, taxes, and stupidity.)
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To: janereinheimer

Believing in Christ and living out one’s life FOR Christ are two aspects of the life that is being sanctified. I think it comes back to the wisdom in James. What kind of faith do I have if there is little or nothing that shows that faith? And if I am a true believer and baptized, and show nothing of that belief, do I REALLY believe?

I am so thankful that God can see the insides of people. There are people who look squeaky clean on the outside but inside are deader than dead. And, Jesus talked about just such a thing to the religious leaders of his time.

In the meantime, I have met many people who will tell you they are a Christian but it is more of a cultural thing and they know little of the man whose name they walk under.


5 posted on 08/10/2011 8:26:35 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: janereinheimer
“I take an existential view of that because I believe that anyone who has had a Christian baptism is a Christian”

And this is the purpose of your post? Or what? That sinner can repent? Or to advertise your counseling skills?

6 posted on 08/10/2011 8:28:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: janereinheimer
I believe that anyone who has had a Christian baptism is a Christian

Therefore, anyone who has had a cult baptism is a what? cultist? That said, recognizing that a person who is part of a cult is not a Christian has nothing to do with reaching to the unsaved or to backsliding Christians. Yes, even to the cultists themselves! "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" .

7 posted on 08/10/2011 8:29:21 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: janereinheimer

I just re-read this post and there is a flaw in the statements made. Neither Saul NOR Lewis were believers in Jesus Christ when they did the wrong they did (e.g., Saul persecuting believers). Therefore, these are not good examples to use.

And just because a person goes through the outward rituals of faith and fools the crowd means nothing. Like I said, God knows the heart. God sees whether circumcision of the heart has taken place or not.


8 posted on 08/10/2011 8:30:28 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

loving others, being Christ-like and being a forgiving person are all tied together, IMO


9 posted on 08/10/2011 8:31:44 AM PDT by quintr
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To: count-your-change

My point is that sinful Christians have no right to say that other sinful Christians are not Christians. Only god knows the hearts of man.


10 posted on 08/10/2011 8:32:43 AM PDT by quintr
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To: count-your-change

One who truly believes that Jesus Christ is Lord and savior, the way the truth and the light, the only way to the father, believes he was fully god and fully man who came to earth Messiah to fulfill scriptures and die in exchange for our sins so that we could get access to the father even as sinners. characteristics that are observable by man are generally a changed life that they live for his glory. This can be acted out a number of ways but feeding his sheep and spreading the gospel are the most common. Agape!


11 posted on 08/10/2011 8:34:02 AM PDT by humantech ("No one wants to live to see such evil times. Its what you do with the time you are given")
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To: janereinheimer

As for that fellow Saul of Tarsus / Paul of the New Testament — IMO ,and this goes for CS Lewis— or the guy who wrote Ben Hur— or Josh McDowell— or any other — a Christian ought Not be judged for what he was when a sinner. But for what he became when he became a new Creation. The dif
between the Christian— and the unbeliever is the one who believes in Jesus -if they repent of their sins —and confess their sins— and seek the face of the LORD and His Mercy the Christian is forgiven. And has eternal life. If one professes to be a Christian but advocates and seeks to advance what Christ did NOT They may be a lot of things —but IMO they are not “in Christ” and in that moment act more like a child of darkness than as a Christian/Christ man.


12 posted on 08/10/2011 8:37:29 AM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: janereinheimer
I teach Sunday School in the Meckenberg County Jail each Sunday. It is amazing to me the number of inmates that have pastors that never visit them. After listening to these people for ten years I have come to the conclusion we are all one bad decision away from wearing prison garb.

Many of the individuals I see are Christian but have bought into the great “LIE” of Satan. The lie being that we can server the Lord while living like the culture. You asked what makes a person a Christian. The scriptures make it clear that the individual that confesses with his mouth and believes in his heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9-10.

We need to make ourselves available to any and all that we run into because we never know when the Holy Spirit will use us as a conduit for God's love.

13 posted on 08/10/2011 8:39:42 AM PDT by enotheisen (CMSGT USAF Ret)
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To: quintr

1 Samuel 24:13 As the old saying goes, ‘From evildoers come evil deeds,’ so my hand will not touch you.

Proverbs 20:11 Even a child is known by his actions, by whether his conduct is pure and right.

Matthew 7:20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 12:33 “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.

Luke 6:43 “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.

Luke 6:44 Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

James 2:18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.


14 posted on 08/10/2011 8:40:59 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( BHO....the destroyer)
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To: StonyBurk

Amen! Christians come to the Lord fully willing to re-invent their sinful lives into purposeful building of God’s Kingdom here on earth — these are the good fruits that James was talking about.


15 posted on 08/10/2011 8:41:16 AM PDT by quintr
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To: janereinheimer

While one might be able to define what makes a person a Christian, I think proving the converse might be impossible. No one knows the heart of another perfectly.


16 posted on 08/10/2011 8:41:26 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: enotheisen

we are all one bad decision away from wearing prison garb


That’s a humbling thought and oh so true. We must be ever-vigilant against the devil. Sometimes I think he works a lot harder than we do.


17 posted on 08/10/2011 8:45:17 AM PDT by quintr
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To: humantech

I would also be wary of using Baptism as a way to tell if someone is Christian or not. Mark 16:16 “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
Notice the word believes? It’s faith. If you truly believe, your actions will follow. If you get baptized without belief ( and this verse indicates it’s possible), you can lie all you want, but you can’t play games with the Lord.we are saved by Grace through faith and Baptism is something we then do out of joy and obedience to the Lord and as a public proclamation of that faith to the world. To look strictly at the act of baptism as a way to determine someone’s faith is simply checking a box to get Christian street
Creds. Pharisees did this too. Be wary of using this as your measure, friend. Agape!


18 posted on 08/10/2011 8:45:31 AM PDT by humantech ("No one wants to live to see such evil times. Its what you do with the time you are given")
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To: quintr
I had to ask since you felt free to say who IS a Christian, i.e., ‘one who is baptized with a Christian baptism’.

I suggest the Scriptures themselves are pretty clear on the question so that none us sinners need be judgmental in our definitions.

19 posted on 08/10/2011 8:47:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: muir_redwoods

Only God knows what’s in our hearts. And His forgiveness is perfect and loving.

We must be washed anew in the blood of the Lamb each and every day because our hearts are dirty and sinful.


20 posted on 08/10/2011 8:47:22 AM PDT by quintr
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To: count-your-change

I’m not sure I agree with you that defining a term is casting a judgment.

Jane R.


21 posted on 08/10/2011 8:48:48 AM PDT by quintr
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To: count-your-change

I’m not sure I agree with you that defining a term is casting a judgment.

Jane R.


22 posted on 08/10/2011 8:48:48 AM PDT by quintr
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To: humantech

Mark 16:16 “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”


Good point.


23 posted on 08/10/2011 8:50:22 AM PDT by quintr
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To: quintr
But you have a problem with others definition?
“Where I depart company from the pious and sanctimonious definitions of others is when their definition of Christian is really a definition of being “Christ-like.”

Are they being judgmental or simply defining a term?

I would certainly question where in any definition a so called “death-bed” repentance is found.

So as I suggested, the Scriptures (as several posters have informed us) define Christian so that we don't have to judge what is inside the sinner.

24 posted on 08/10/2011 9:24:57 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dutchboy88; janereinheimer
The Scriptures are clear. Those whom the Father gave to Jesus (the elect).

I like you have always found that the clearest
and OBTW from the lips of Yah'shua.

Those who have been "called out" since Deuteronomy 4:10

Deu 4:10 "Remember the day you stood before YHvH
your God at Horeb, when YHvH said to me, 'Assemble the
people to Me,
that I may let them hear My words so they may learn
to fear Me all the days they live on the earth, and that they may
teach their children.'
Ekklesia == Assemble the people to me == church
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
25 posted on 08/10/2011 9:26:26 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: humantech
Baptism is something we then do:

out of joy
Joy comes after Baptism, was a result of those who were
baptized, not what led them to be baptized
obedience to the Lord
true as everything else we do
as a public proclamation of that faith to the world -
not sure about this, what scripture explains this?
Kinda contradicts your point about being a checklist?

26 posted on 08/10/2011 9:28:45 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: janereinheimer
I believe that anyone who has had a Christian baptism is a Christian.

That certainly opens up the playing field. Any definition of the faith that omits, uh, faith is sorely lacking. Per the scripture (Romans 10:9) there is a requirement for actual faith: "For if thou confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved. " But per the posited definition, an atheist can be a Christian.

I wonder if the author of this piece really believes in sin? They certainly don't seem to think that it separates a soul from God. The Church has a mission to rescue people, not make excuses for them. To refuse to confront sin is to surrender the sinner to Judgement and eternal fire. We do no one any favors by coddling them.

27 posted on 08/10/2011 9:30:47 AM PDT by jboot
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To: janereinheimer

“The world has never followed the simple ethics of Jesus, yet it is loud in its proclamation that it is Christian.” — Ernest Holmes


28 posted on 08/10/2011 9:33:15 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: janereinheimer
Christian means follower of Christ. A christian is marked by his faith and desire to be like Christ even though he falls short.

Baptism is good but that alone will not save you.

29 posted on 08/10/2011 9:37:08 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: count-your-change; janereinheimer
And this is the purpose of your post? Or what? That sinner can repent? Or to advertise your counseling skills?

The purpose of this screed is to accuse ministers and counselors who take sin seriously and confront it in the lives of their charges of being Sanctimonious, and of being Hypocrites, and of being Just Damn Mean.

It's a lot like the lily-livered preachers and teachers that tell the story of Jesus and the Woman Caught in Adultery, but somehow manage to leave off the part at the end where Jesus sternly tells the adultress "go and sin no more." I guess that sharp warning makes Jesus seem sanctimonious, mean and probabaly misogynistic to boot.

30 posted on 08/10/2011 9:45:14 AM PDT by jboot
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Wonderful post. Thank you.

Grace to you, my FRiend.


31 posted on 08/10/2011 9:46:03 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: janereinheimer
I read with some interest until I got to , “afraid to confess her sin to her Pastor”. The writer of this needs to bone up on her Bible Doctrine. No where does the Bible tell anyone to confess sins to any human being. 1 John 1:9 “if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us....” Only God can forgive anyone. The way I see it is that if you confess your sin to a pastor, all you are doing is laying your sin on another person and thereby expanding the sin. Now two people will be dwelling on that sin that in reality has already been forgiven. One of the main reasons I could never have anything to do with Catholicism (among many other things they got wrong)
32 posted on 08/10/2011 9:46:43 AM PDT by fish hawk (Don't worry about old age, it doesn't last that long!)
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To: jboot

In deed! Repentance involves a change of actions as well as regrets for wrong doing.


33 posted on 08/10/2011 9:50:59 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dutchboy88
May you and yours be richly blessed by YHvH.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

34 posted on 08/10/2011 9:52:05 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: fish hawk
No where does the Bible tell anyone to confess sins to any human being.

Sorry FRiend, it does indeed say exactly that: James 5:16 - Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

It always bears remembering that just because the Catholics teach it doesn't mean that it isn't so. As a Protestant, I don't believe that oracular confession is an absolute requirement for forgiveness of sins (in keeping with 1 John 1:9), but it is a wonderful way for believers to grow together in the Lord. A Catholic would call it a Means of Grace, and I wouldn't argue.

35 posted on 08/10/2011 9:57:39 AM PDT by jboot
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To: fish hawk

James 5:16
Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much

But your right, it doesn’t have to be a Pastor, but sometime it helps to confess our sins to each other so others can pray for us and help us overcome that sin.


36 posted on 08/10/2011 10:04:41 AM PDT by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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To: count-your-change
Repentance involves a change of actions as well as regrets for wrong doing.

Repentance is such a bloodless, weak word in English. My Greek has long flown, but the word rendered as "Repentance" in the New Testament means roughly "to agree". If we say that we repent of a sin, we say that we agree with God about it, i.e. we hate it and renounce it. If we then return to the sin, what does that say about our agreement? Could it be that we were just admitting that we sinned, with no real agreement that our deeds were wrong or intention of turning away from them? Could we, in fact, feel justified in our sin? This is not to say that God will not forgive us again and again if confess the same sins. But when we see intractable sin habits in our own lives, or in the lives of others, we have every reason to be concerned about the sincerity of repentance.

37 posted on 08/10/2011 10:13:22 AM PDT by jboot
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To: janereinheimer

His examples don’t support his thesis (which as far as I can tell you shouldn’t try to judge if someone is a christian ever).

Until his conversion Saul was NOT a Christian. Before he saw the light Lewis was NOT a Christian. How is it sanctimony to recognize that?

You are a Christian if you confess that you believe in the Trinity, that you are born a sinner and can only be saved through the sacred blood of Jesus.

He seems to take the view that baptism is magic. I believe that every human ever born has the opportunity to be saved.


38 posted on 08/10/2011 10:15:01 AM PDT by DManA
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To: janereinheimer

His examples don’t support his thesis (which as far as I can tell you shouldn’t try to judge if someone is a christian ever).

Until his conversion Saul was NOT a Christian. Before he saw the light Lewis was NOT a Christian. How is it sanctimony to recognize that?

You are a Christian if you confess that you believe in the Trinity, that you are born a sinner and can only be saved through the sacred blood of Jesus.

He seems to take the view that baptism is magic. I believe that every human ever born has the opportunity to be saved.


39 posted on 08/10/2011 10:15:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Thank you FRiend for this post. That scripture dovetails nicely with the NT “forsake not the assembling of yourselves”.


40 posted on 08/10/2011 10:32:25 AM PDT by RoadGumby (For God so loved the world)
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To: quintr

People like to talk about love and forgiveness, but holiness is often ignored.


41 posted on 08/10/2011 10:47:43 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

Thanks. Per Hebrews: “Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.”


42 posted on 08/10/2011 11:02:03 AM PDT by jboot
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To: Paved Paradise; janereinheimer
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43 posted on 08/10/2011 11:11:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: jboot

“Repentance is such a bloodless, weak word in English”

I dare say the vigor, or lack of, with which repentance is practiced imbues the word with it’s meaning. When the concept of sin or failing to meet our Maker’s requirements is so insipid and hollow the idea of repentance must correspondingly be so.


44 posted on 08/10/2011 11:12:52 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: jboot

As a Lutheran we practice public confession in our worship services. It puts us all in the same boat as sinners, therefore, no one has a right to piety; rather, humbleness when we approach the content of our worship because it is all through God’s grace that we even have the right, as heir to His Kingdom, to even aproach God.

Jane R.


45 posted on 08/10/2011 11:13:11 AM PDT by quintr
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To: count-your-change
When the concept of sin or failing to meet our Maker’s requirements is so insipid and hollow the idea of repentance must correspondingly be so.

Right on! When I used to teach Sunday School I found that the concept of sin carried so little weight with my students that even the very word "sin" seemed to be a silly, flaccid, pious anachronism. Someone even suggested I use a different word. I can only imagine what silky euphemism they wanted me to substitute, but instead of "sin", I began saying "damnable treason". The class sat up straight and listened after that.

46 posted on 08/10/2011 11:23:15 AM PDT by jboot
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To: quintr

While I don’t disagree that we are all sinners before God, that we can do nothing of ourselves and must rely on His grace for all things, since when did Piety become a bad thing? Is sanctification not the goal of the Christian? Should we not be encouraging our brothers and sisters to commit themselves to holiness and piety? Yes, holiness and sanctification make sinners uncomfortable, but isn’t that the point? Indeed, Paul tells us that to the sinner “...we are the smell of death; to the [believer], the fragrance of life. And who is equal to such a task?” Weak and frail though we are, God has chosen us to point the way to His Son. If we be not holy like He is, who will heed us?


47 posted on 08/10/2011 11:36:10 AM PDT by jboot
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To: NoDRodee

I can see how you’d think that, but its not a checklist. Its so simple its incredibly difficult. :-)
Think of it this way.
Your daughter or son gets married. At the ceremony, your heart swells. You tear up., You cry. You are joyous and sorrowful all at once.
You have a child. Your heart swells. Your brain quickens. You feel a dramatic life changing moment where you know nothing is the same as it was before the event. You start focusing on different priorities. You go into an intense period of study of your own moral convictions, the type of person you are, and who you SHOULD be for that child.
No checklist. These are natural things that happen as an outshoot of your joy and life changing moments.- same with salvation, but its the BIGGEST life changing moment one can have if you truly understand who Christ is and what he means to you and all of creation.- Once one believes, these are things we tend to do, but there is no biblical List that gets you salvation. We are saved by grace through faith. Ephesians 2:8
As for a few scriptural references, heres an easy link -http://www.bible-truth.org/baptism.htm
I just did a quick google search on baptism in the bible- give it a once over. Remember- If it seems to difficult to understand or someone tries to confuse you with things you need to “Do” to be saved, test What Christ said against that-
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

And Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

AGAPE friend :-)


48 posted on 08/10/2011 11:38:04 AM PDT by humantech ("No one wants to live to see such evil times. Its what you do with the time you are given")
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To: janereinheimer

And an even better question: can a true christian also be a liberal/progressive?


49 posted on 08/10/2011 11:39:21 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: janereinheimer

According to all the definitions I have heard about what is a Christian, no one is a Christian. One persons say if you do not talk in tongues, one person says if you were not baptized in a river, one says...see, no one.


50 posted on 08/10/2011 11:45:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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