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Perception of Mitt Romney election to presidency would be similar to that of John F. Kennedy...
Deseret News ^ | Aug. 8, 2011 | Rhett Wilkinson

Posted on 08/10/2011 11:09:30 AM PDT by Colofornian

If Mitt Romney were to be elected president of the United States in 2012, the concern that some voters now have with his membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would dissipate the same way it did with voters’ concerns about John F. Kennedy’s Catholicism, Newell Bringhurst said Friday morning at the opening presentation of the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research (FAIR) Conference.

SNIP

In a question regarding how LDS Church members have reacted to the contrasting manner in which the two candidates have handled questions about their beliefs toward Mormonism, Bringhurst said that rank-and-file members of the church have leaned toward Romney, citing a recent Gallup poll that stated that Romney was the 85 percent choice of the state, while Huntsman had just 11 percent of the vote.

Audience questions ranged from Ezra Taft Benson’s highly conservative political views and his consideration for running for the presidency in 1968 and the relationship of his policies with those of current Utah Sen. Mike Lee, who doesn’t endorse either Romney or Huntsman.

And the presentation wasn’t without humor.

When Bringhurst responded to a question about whether or not Harry Reid would be called as a home teacher for an LDS president, the scholar didn’t hesitate.

“I’m not capable of answering that,” Bringhurst said, before mentioning a time while studying in Berkeley when a former Black Panther, who was a convert to the church, referred to him as “Brother Bringhurst,” emphasizing the dichotomy of members of the church holding varied political positions. “That’s my non-answer answer to that question.”

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TOPICS: Current Events; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: huntsman; jfk; lds; mittromney; mormon; mormonism; polygamy; romney; utah
Note: Title of thread was shortened to fit character limitations as article headline exceeded that allowed by FR.

Most of the excerpt is from "page 2" of this article: Perception of Mitt Romney election to presidency would be similar to that of John F. Kennedy, scholar says -- and was based upon a presentation given last weekend @ the annual FAIR conference.

FAIR is a Mormon group of apologists who attempt to defend Mormonism. In this case what FAIR shows is simply utter hypocrisy. How is that the case? Well, follow the track below:

From the article: In a question regarding how LDS Church members have reacted to the contrasting manner in which the two candidates have handled questions about their beliefs toward Mormonism, Bringhurst said that rank-and-file members of the church have leaned toward Romney, citing a recent Gallup poll that stated that Romney was the 85 percent choice of the state, while Huntsman had just 11 percent of the vote.

Let me get this straight. Utah GOP voters, 60% Mormon -- & probably who constitute almost 90% of the GOP in that state, would vote by a % of 96-4% for Mormon candidates. 96-4%!!! Talk about identity politics!

Imagine if...
...two strongly identified Christian candidates were running now...say Bachmann and say if Huckabee was running again [obviously he's not].

Now imagine...
...a highly Christian identified Southern state...
...one where church attendance was high...like Mississippi...which has the highest church attendance rate in the nation (63% attend either weekly or almost every week per Gallup...
...Source:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125999/mississippians-go-church-most-vermonters-least.aspx)...

What if a state like Mississippi was polled so as to seemingly reduce the wide-open primary field to just two Christian candidates? What if 96% of Missippians said they would be voting for Bachmann & another Christian candidate? And only 4% said "other?"

Why, the MSM would have a field day with that! They would go nuts over such brazen identity politics. They would accuse Christian voters of being "bigoted" (intolerant) of non-Christian candidates. And many conservative non-Christian FREEPERS would join in such an MSM chorus!

But when Mormon-laced Utah does that...when their voters indicate leaning toward a candidate only or primarily because of their religion, that apparently is "A-OK." Why, they give Utahns a free pass.

Why is such a voting pattern being ignored by the MSM?

Now don't get me wrong. It's a Free Republic. Utahns can choose any candidate they want. And they can use any basis they want for choosing their candidates -- including religion. I don't think Utah voters are "bigoted" -- even with the Gallup poll that this FAIR speaker cites.

What I do find 100% inconsistent -- two-faced -- hypocritical -- ESPECIALLY ON FAIR's part -- is for those who would lambast voters for taking religion into consideration...yet say nothing & give this FAIR speaker and Utah voters a "free pass" when this issue comes up on the flip side of considerations.

And you can't ask for more of a contextual contrast than a FAIR speaker using the Kennedy analogy. Here the focus of Newell Bringhurst is voters who might take Kennedy's religion into consideration -- and how that would be "bad"...yet when Mormon voters take Romney's & Huntsman's religion into consideration -- and vote for such a personal quality...that's supposedly "good."

Sorry, FAIR. You can't have it both ways.

One other note: When the #s-crunching extrapolations are done, this 96% stat becomes even more lopsided:
Guestimates on Utah voter breakdowns:
* Over 70% [of non- Mormon voters in Utah are Democrat or Independent/other]
* Probably about 1 in 9 Utahns is a GOP non-Mormon.
Result? Extrapolating those ratios probably means that even if over 2/3rds of the non-Mormon GOP voters said they would vote for either Romney or Huntsman, that probably means that 100% of Mormon GOP voters indicated to Gallup in this poll they would vote for either Romney or Huntsman. [That's 100% rounded off; not literally every GOP Mormon voter]

We already know from 2008 exit poll data that 94% of GOP Mormon voters in both Utah and Nevada voted for Romney despite his liberal track record. Now when another Mormon candidate not known for his stalwart conservatism is added to the recipe that % seems to rise to a likely 100% rounded off...or at the very least, 99%!

Imagine that! Almost every GOP Mormon voter in Utah pulling for a Mormon candidate that's not even conservative! (And we thought Mormon voters were our allies in true conservative causes?)

Can you say...identity politics automatons????

1 posted on 08/10/2011 11:09:37 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Perception of Mitt Romney election to presidency would be similar to that of John F. Kennedy...

The only similarity I can see is that they're both good democrats and nothing more.

2 posted on 08/10/2011 11:11:10 AM PDT by laweeks
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From the article: …a question about whether or not Harry Reid would be called as a home teacher for an LDS president…

For those of you who might think that Harry Reid is an inactive Mormon, that’s not the case at all. This Q was raised because the Mormon church has already “called” Harry Reid as a “home teacher”…and Harry Reid goes into others’ homes and provides Mormon teaching lessons. The Q just applied that “calling” as a humorous hypothetical – would Reid add the “White House” to his in-home visitations if Romney was elected.

The Mormon church has rolled out the red carpet for Reid. They’ve “called” him in an official capacity. And in 2007, they invited him to speak before all students & faculty @ BYU. Reid took the opportunity to slam Evangelicals. Some @ BYU gave him a standing ovation; others respectfully applauded him.

More "proof" that identity politics trumps vying against socialism like Reid's.

(Btw, Reid also took that BYU speaking engagement opportunity to say that he was a Democrat because he was a Mormon)

3 posted on 08/10/2011 11:13:02 AM PDT by Colofornian
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From the article: If Mitt Romney were to be elected president of the United States in 2012, the concern that some voters now have with his membership in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would dissipate the same way it did with voters’ concerns about John F. Kennedy’s Catholicism, Newell Bringhurst said Friday morning at the opening presentation of the Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research (FAIR) Conference.

Tell you what, FAIR...Please show us where the Pope has made similar spiritual-political imposing statements such as what you find from Lds leaders below...except for the first three statements, ALL of them were made by Lds leaders between the 1960s and 1980s...and even the third statement was being reprinted in official publications ranging from 1984 in a book -->July 7, 2011 in the Lds church-owned Deseret News -- made by a FAIR apologist!

Lds Leader Chronological 'Prophet' or Fundamental # (or Other Title) Overlap Areas: Could the President of the U.S. become a 'puppet' to an Lds 'Prophet?' (The Lds Prophets -- in their own words)
John Taylor Lds 'Prophet' #3 “The Almighty has established this kingdom with order and laws and every thing pertaining thereto…[so] that when the nations shall be convulsed, we may stand forth as saviours…and finally redeem a ruined world, not only in a religious but in a political point of view.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, p. 342, April 13, 1862)
Orson Hyde President of the Lds Quorum of the 12 Apostles for 28 years (1847-1875) “What the world calls ‘Mormonism’ will rule every nation...God has decreed it, and his own right arm will accomplish it. This will make the heathen rage.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 53)
Heber J. Grant Lds 'Prophet' #7 "Elder Marion G. Romney recalled the counsel of President Heber J. Grant: 'My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.' Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, 'But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray'" (in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78)." Cited in Official Lds publication Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, p. 209 (1984)
Harold B. Lee Lds 'Prophet' #11 ...President Harold B. Lee said: 'We must learn to give heed to the words and commandments that the Lord shall give through his prophet, '...as if from mine own mouth...(D&C 21:4-5)...You may not like what comes from the authority of the Church. It may contradict your political views. It may contradict your social views. It may interfere with some of your social life. But if you listen to these things, as if from the mouth of the Lord himself..." Cited in official Lds publication Remember Me: Relief Society Personal Study Guide I, p. 27 (1989)
Spencer Kimball Lds 'Prophet' #12 "President Spencer W. Kimball said: '...We deal with many things which are thought to be not so spiritual; but all things are spiritual with the Lord, and he expects us to listen, and to obey..." (In Conference Report, Apr. 1977, p. 8; or Ensign, May 1977, p. 7) Cited in official Lds publication Come, Follow Me: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide 1983, p.12 (1983)
What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country! (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984)
Ezra Taft Benson Lds 'Prophet' #13 Benson speech given 2/26/80 @BYU. Summary: “…remember, if there is ever a conflict between earthly knowledge and the words of the prophet, you stand with the prophet…” (See excerpts re: 3 of 14 'fundamentals' below) Source: Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #5 5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time. (My Q: Ya hear that Mitt Romney? Ya hear that Jon Huntsman?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #9 9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual. (My Q: Still listening, Mitt? Still listening, Jon?)
Benson (cont'd) Fundamental #10 10. The prophet may advise on civic matters. (My Q: What say ye Mitt? What say ye Jon?)
Mitt Romney as POTUS??? Aside from above prophetic impositions, why would Mitt not only honor what these 'prophets' have spoken, but what a future Lds 'prophet' may tell him to do? The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple (done before marriage/sealing in temple): "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church."]

4 posted on 08/10/2011 11:15:50 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Mormons do not = Catholics.


5 posted on 08/10/2011 11:17:59 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: Colofornian

It boggles the mind that lds keep pimping Romney. He is no different than obama. they are both stink’n liberals. It makes one wonder if the foundation of a person makes any difference, lds trumps everything else. Never ever question who a person is only that they are temple worthy.


6 posted on 08/10/2011 11:18:44 AM PDT by svcw (democrats are liars, it's a given)
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To: laweeks

JFK was far more conservative than Myth.


7 posted on 08/10/2011 11:21:08 AM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Hugin
JFK was far more conservative than Myth.

You're right. But Myth Romney, you have to admit, is everything a dummycrat should be: believer in taxpayer paid health care and a true friend to all homosexuals.

8 posted on 08/10/2011 11:22:55 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Hugin

JFK was a Conservative...


9 posted on 08/10/2011 11:35:16 AM PDT by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: Colofornian

Mitt is dogfood. I think he’s going to win way fewer delegates in 2012 than he did in 2008.

I don’t care about his current “frontrunner status”.


10 posted on 08/10/2011 11:37:37 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Colofornian

Too bad there wasn’t enough room to add BARF ALERT! in the article title box!!!


11 posted on 08/10/2011 11:41:26 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: Colofornian

I don’t think so.


12 posted on 08/10/2011 11:42:47 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Colofornian
...a recent Gallup poll that stated that Romney was the 85 percent choice of the state, while Huntsman had just 11 percent of the vote.

HMMMmmm...

85 + 11 = 96

Only 4% for anyone NON-MORMON.

Veddy interesting...


13 posted on 08/10/2011 11:43:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
It boggles the mind that lds keep pimping Romney.

Why?

They keep pimping Joseph Smith, and HIS record is WAY outta whack!!

14 posted on 08/10/2011 11:45:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: laweeks

Yep. But you left out gun-grabber and lying phoney.


15 posted on 08/10/2011 11:51:34 AM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: Colofornian

If its about the hair

I dont think JFK dyed his...


16 posted on 08/10/2011 12:29:41 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

The Republican Party should stop pushing Mitt Romney as the lead candidate and allow us Americans to make that decision.

I’m tired of these old time Republicans thinking they have waited for their time and they are owed the Presidency.

As it is right Now the Republican party has two Excellant candidates in Palin and Bachman.Leave Romney out of the equation.


17 posted on 08/10/2011 12:49:39 PM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Colofornian

Ihave absolutelyno problem with whatever Church Romney belongs to.

My problem is with Romneycare and the fact that no real Conservative could have ever been elected in Massachusetts.


18 posted on 08/10/2011 12:54:46 PM PDT by Venturer
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19 posted on 08/10/2011 12:59:08 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Colofornian

20 posted on 08/10/2011 1:18:15 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where Freepers will meet again next summer. Especially Elsie!)
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To: All
Come to the picnic next summer. We may have a couple of surprise guests.


21 posted on 08/10/2011 1:22:11 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where Freepers will meet again next summer. Especially Elsie!)
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To: Colofornian

I think Romney is probably a little more liberal than Kennedy was, but that’s another squabble on FR. Progressive Republicans of any religion are as bad or worse than their liberal pals in the establishment.


22 posted on 08/10/2011 1:36:29 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Colofornian
Almost every GOP Mormon voter in Utah pulling for a Mormon candidate that's not even conservative!

Does Glenn Beck still do his Goebbels-like spiel about how Mittster is the only man who can save this country?

I about lost it when I heard him give that routine a couple of years ago. Would Glenn really prefer a Mormon wolf in Republican's clothing over a real conservative?

23 posted on 08/10/2011 6:52:25 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Colofornian

Green jello

Bowls and bowl of green jello


24 posted on 08/10/2011 7:24:47 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Campion; puppypusher
The Republican Party should stop pushing Mitt Romney as the lead candidate and allow us Americans to make that decision.


Does Glenn Beck still do his Goebbels-like spiel about how Mittster is the only man who can save this country?


 
" The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -
- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."



25 posted on 08/10/2011 7:45:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

26 posted on 08/10/2011 8:00:10 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Campion; Colofornian

. Would Glenn really prefer a Mormon wolf in Republican’s clothing over a real conservative?

- - - - - -
Yes, absolutely. Part of the brainwashing of Mormonism is to trust other Mormons above any non-Mormon. This extends to business, personal, and politics.

It is also partly why there is so much LDS on LDS white collar crime in Utah.

To ALL LDS, “the Church” (not God, certainly not Christ) comes before everything. They even make covenants in their temples (Mitt, Reid, and Beck have all made the same one) to put the LDS church first. I can give you the exact wording of the oath (and original blood penalty) if you wish.


27 posted on 08/10/2011 9:31:50 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie
This was the quote I had in mind:

When Hitler speaks, all resistance breaks down before the magical effect of his words. One can only be his friend or his enemy. He divides the hot from the cold. But lukewarmness he spits out of his mouth. Many can know, even more can organize, but he alone in all Germany today can construct the political values of the future out of fateful knowledge through the power of the word. Many are called, but few are chosen. We are all unshakeably convinced that he is their spokesman and guide. Therefore we believe in him. Over his inspiring human figure we see the grace of destiny at work in this man and cling with all our hopes to his ideal and are thereby bound to that creative force which carries him and all of us forwards. -- Goebbels, Der Angriff, quoted by Joachim C. Fest
The nonsense some people spouted about Obama is no different.
28 posted on 08/10/2011 11:44:16 PM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Campion
The nonsense some people spouted about Obama is no different.

AMEN!

Or ANY cult leader, for that matter!

29 posted on 08/11/2011 4:10:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: youngidiot

“Mormons do not = Catholics.”

When it comes down to anti Mormon/Catholic bias and bigotry, the two do have a lot in common.


30 posted on 08/14/2011 7:21:14 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Elsie

lol Post Of The Day! :)


31 posted on 08/14/2011 8:13:52 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: Saundra Duffy
Sandy!

You are BACK!!!

Here is MORMONism's own creed:
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


 

32 posted on 08/14/2011 10:48:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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