Skip to comments.Meet the exorcist schoolgirls who spend their time casting out DEMONS around the world (Bob Larson)
Posted on 08/12/2011 12:23:37 PM PDT by markomalley
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Slightly off topic, but the weirdest occurance I’ve ever seen happened in early 2001 when I visited my friend’s church, of the Charismatic persuasion.
There was a guest minister who prayed over people, shouting “fill, fill” and the people would drop to the ground laughing uncontrollably, my friend included. I was a bit frightened and stayed just outside the room where this took place. Some people were on the floor either laughing or passed out for over an hour. I think it was related to the Toronto Blessing phenomenon.
The Toronto Blessing thing was a very late entry into the phenomenon. Scripture has some hints of such.
The closest I ever got to experiencing such was when I was a teen during a service with a particularly heavy PRESENCE of God . . . at one point in worshiping, my legs below my knees just quit working. I was standing near a pew so I just sat/fell down in my seat.
Lots of very heavily anointed folks have prayed for me over the years—this past week a very heavily anointed Bro . . . people fall right, left, front and back of me routinely. I never have. And I HATE folks pushing at me toward falling over when they pray over me. I want the real thing or nothing.
It’s not per se passing out. There’s usually some awareness of one’s surroundings. It’s more like the focus is so intense on God and what God is saying or imparting or sending into one’s spirit, body, mind . . . that the surrounding environment just fades to nothing as unimportant, by comparison.
Most folks are aware that they could stop the experience and get up—given the beauty and blessedness of their communion with God in that state—to stop it and get up prematurely, would be absurdly stupid.
We have a fellow in our congregation who busts out robustly laughing fairly routinely when Holy Spirit touches him. WE have a very generous attitude toward people’s individual expressions as they are experiencing and touching God and as He’s touching them—as long as there’s some decency and order to it all.
So the laughing fellow is just enjoyed for who he is and his relationship with God is a joy to behold.
Besides . . . given our humanness—when God touches us—there’s plenty laughable about it, normally.
What was your last screen name?
What, a guy can't pay attention and lurk?
very dangerous. As St Teresa of Avila said when one of her nuns was hysterical (having a “conversion reaction”): She needs a physician, not an exoricist.
Some people are very suggestible and charismatic/pentecostal “healers” can make this type of person believe they are demon possessed. I’ve met a few good healers, but I’ve also seen some prideful types who bragged about their healings. (i.e. “Their” healings, not those who God healed).
Bob Larson is one of the braggarts, and he is persuasive, but I do not perceive any holiness in him. This makes me think he is a sociopath who is selling something or a person on a power trip.
If one of these girl’s cases commits suicide, they are going to be in trouble. Do you really think they can diagnose if the person’s “demonic” voices are from schizophrenia, psychotic depression, a brain tumor, drugs, or a demon?
And if they truly are demon possessed, I remind you the part when Christ said “this type takes prayer and fasting” when his apostles didn’t cast out one serious demon.
Youngsters lack the spiritual maturity it takes to do this type of work.
The comment was made to the other guy, ‘Avalon Hussar’
I included you because it was on a comment from him to you.
Thank you for your remarks.
Yes, or he can be banned and sign on with a different name.
True, but did I claim to be doing that?
No. I asked you if you did.
Glad you boys made nice...
Enjoy your weekend.
I saw that and have to admit that it takes quite a bit of courage to admit that you made a mistake. My estimation of you, which was already pretty good, just rose a few more points. Like I said earlier, I’ve lurked here for a while and have noticed a few names which, I feel, have earned a greater degree of respect than most because of their thoroughness and willingness to examine themselves critically if necessary.
Then you have your answer, don’t you?
Well gee whiz Wally. Do I?
Did ya answer my question there buddy?
Can ya figure out another way to make up another question that pretends to answer my question without actually answering my question?
Can you? Huh?
(this is where yer buddy usually throws in some silly picture, so why don't I...)
You sound exceedingly convinced.
. . . as though you had comprehensive knowledge 100% complete and 100% flawless from A to Z on the topic.
I actually have been around since the before the 2000 elections and chose to not post for quite sometime do to all the blood letting at that time. I let my old name go into the haze of history and re joined 4100 posts ago.
Much agree with your fine points.
Nice to see you around these parts. LOL.
Folks also seem eager to jump to limited conclusions about such matters . . . not noticing that they haven’t considered all the possibilities. LOL.
What is it with the increase in ignorance on parade . . . is it the world in general or just the net in general or???
That’s actually a pretty cool picture, how are you getting a .gif to work on here? I can get images and links to work, but I don’t know the code for animations like that.
In all honesty, I’ve lurked here on and off since about 2004 or 2005 but I only got serious about watching this site after the Obamanation settled into the WH back in 2008. I really enjoy the Religion forums but I usually don’t stray up to the main pages unless I’m researching something or something big happens.
Series? That's hugh!
You've been lurking all this time and never saw HTML help links? Hmmm . . .
One of the things that really impresses me, when dealing with mental illness, is the nearly unbearable stress that families go through trying to insure the safety of their ill family member, trying to insure consistent treatment, trying to minimize the damage done to personal relationships and maintain the cohesiveness of the family bonds.
The immense courage these families display when confronted by the ill member’s crimes, outbursts, violent acts, suicidal or self-destructive behaviors — the courage is monumental. Many times, we on the nursing staff are humbled by the love, patience, courtesy, thoughtfulness, financial burdens borne by the family, legal tangles, etc.
These “exorcist schoolgirls” are nothing more than quacks. Mental illness can be life-threatening. Organic mental illness IS often life-threatening. The ouija board mentality discussed on this thread of casually “diagnosing” and “assessing” and “exorcising” demonic possession or oppression is flat out insulting to those living with the burden of mental illness.
In the rare instances where demonic activity is playing a part in the mentally ill person’s problems, the introduction of adolescent girls, fake “professionals” and others is potentially physically fatal and certainly spiritually fatal.
Gee what could possibly go wrong?
a great answer.
Thank you for posting it.
OK. That picture gives me the creeps. There is something just not right about it.
I have been part of a church which practices all the Pentecostal stuff. And I do say practices.....
There are people who minister at the altar who are pushers. There are those who drop every time they go up. It makes it meaningless at that point.
I do take issue with some of it because it is either based on bad theology or is downright unscriptural as far as I’ve been able to determine from the Word.
My biggest issue is the judgment and resultant condemnation that comes with much of Pentecostalism. It is legalistic in it’s own right, just as legalistic as the Baptists who evaluate one’s spirituality or spiritual maturity based on whether they don’t drink, dance, smoke or chew and don’t go out with girls who do.
The typical Baptist determination of spirituality comes from what you don’t do (sins). The Pentecostal determination of spirituality comes from what you do do; raise hands in worship, speak in tongues, drop when prayed for (slain in the spirit), how *undignified* you are when you worship, etc.
There is no room for allowing God to work in my life as HE sees fit. If I don’t be a Christian the way they think I should based on nothing more than their theology, then I’m judged. I’ve had my fill of it.
The big danger I see is that people are being deceived into thinking something happened that didn’t based on *signs*, like speaking in tongues, getting slain in the spirit, even being *healed*, all stuff that can be faked, not necessarily IS faked, but can be.
I was filled with the Spirit recently. I didn’t speak in tongues, drop, or get healed, but it was definitely a touch from God and the most real experience I’ve been through. I don’t and didn’t need a *sign* to validate it and I don’t need people judging my encounter with God based on their criteria of how God is supposed to work in my life.
I’m not the one pasting my credentials all over the internet.
I haven’t called you any names and calling me “Toots” simply indicates to me a number of things about you, the reference to your mother notwithstanding.
QUIX: “5. Does it take an elevator to get off your high horse?”
Let’s give that a “whoa.” I’ve been protecting patients for longer than you’ve practiced.
QUIX: “B) Is this individual also suffering from some essentially mental illness apart from whatever may or may not be going on vis a vis demonic influence?
You are still defending your original statement:
QUIX: Experienced pastors, deacons, elders and even laymen and women did quite well at discerning the difference between demon possession/oppression and mental illness
A layman cannot distinguish with any degree of accuracy the pathology of a mentally ill patient.
~AND NEITHER CAN TEENAGE GIRLS WHICH IS THE CONTENTION OF THE ARTICLE POSTED.
Now you can reply, but I’m not taking any more time to debunk this.
Obviously . . . the lack of quality research and experience in the topic field leaves one prone to asserting utter nonsense.
In my experience and that of a long list of Pastors and Christian Spirit-filled counselors,
'merely' chronic long standing anger has a huge probability of a very significant demonic component. Many responsible, quality trained mental health professionals would assert that demonic activity has a part in 75-90% or more of mental health problems.
Those wanting to truth on these matters would do well to read the 'Dean' with the greatest track record:
He quite forcefully refutes a lot of the ignorance propounded on this thread.
I'm not that familiar with Bob Larson. I'm not as comfortable with him as I am with Neil T Anderson:
My take is that both of them came to such challenges by route of Scripture, somewhat what God showed them and by the problems of people dropped in their laps. The same could be said of Derek Prince.
However, I believe that Neil was more open to the operation of Holy Spirit in such phenomena while not really integrating that wholesale into his ministry. It's still largely applying Scripture in a more or less formula, prescribed way.
That's far from bad and most often routinely effective when done by believers led of Holy Spirit to do so.
I'm a bit concerned that Bob Larson has added some personal schstick to a similar Biblical based strategy that may be crowding the limits of what a formulaic strategy with demonic forces can handle.
Nevertheless, if the youth ARE truly applying Scripture in a Biblical way with any leading and anointing of Holy Spirit at all, I'd bet that they have more effectiveness than the average layman by a significant margin.
One of the key elements of victory with such demonic force is FAITH IN THE WORD OF GOD--FAITH THAT GOD AND THOSE ON GOD'S SIDE CAN WIN OVER DEMONIC FORCES. That faith alone is often sufficient to begin the rout.
One of demonic forces' major deceptions is that they are unalterably entrenched and can't be removed. When almost anyone counters with Scripture and the declaration that they can and will be removed, that's more than half the battle.
It seems to me that a lot of the hostility on this thread to such a ministry comes from folks who are addictively wedded to a very strict and very narrow organizational--even very cultish--approach to such a problem. They will not tolerate well any OTHER approach. Add to that their personal pique toward me and we see what we see.
I strongly encourage folks to read Derek Prince. The demonic forces will be multiplying in demonstration and tenacity as well as in dramatic evil demonstrations in our era.
Those locked into organizational parameters on such matters INSTEAD of submitting to the Scriptures and Holy Spirit in such matters--will end up making themselves and those they influence UNNECESSARILY VULNERABLE to being victimized by such demonic forces--in too many cases--to eternal damnation. And such blood will potentially be on their hands for supporting less than effective application options vs more or less any Spirit led believer using Scripture against demonic forces.
Derek Prince is the best on the topic. Even Neil Anderson is an also ran compared to him.
Very excellent points, imho.
I have observed, however,
that God, throughout Scripture and history . . . asked folks to do unusual things . . . dip 7 times in the muddy Jordan . . . etc.
He is intent on dealing with our pride.
And a lot of the Pentecostal stuff imho, is that sort of thing.
Of course, as you outline so well, given human nature, we can take something designed to deal with our pride and turn it into a red badge of . . .
. . . .
I have a persistent habit of fiercely trying to defend
QUIX: “I have a persistent habit of fiercely trying to defend
Well, Cult leaders do tend to throw out lots of names and self-confirming studies to bolster their Cults, and as you say, “THE TRUTH” whatever that means in your particular group.
Cults? Going off the deep end, there.
If the shoe fits.
Hey, I’m not at all opposed to unusual stuff. That’s not the issue at all.
It’s the using it, or rather misusing it, as a measuring rod whereby to measure another’s spiritual progress.
2 Corinthians 10:12
We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise.
I agree. Look at Paul his boasting was not in all the miracles God used him for. His boast came from all the persecution He endured. When Paul was weak God was strong! The persecuted suffering Christian life filled with Joy and Peace knowing that God works all things for good is the greatest testimony of true Faith.
Hebrews 13:1-2 (NIV)
1 Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. 2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.
2 Corinthians 11:14 (NIV)
14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
Ephesians 6:12 (NIV)
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
I do believe the Catholic standard for a doctrine are 3 scriptural references Which I have provided.
Is it possible that a doctrine could be started that not all of these individuals that we see walking around the world and assume are people are actually Human Beings?
Hebrews 9:27 (NIV)
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
King Herod and some of the disciples seemed to believe in reincarnation?
Mark 6:14 (NIV)
14 King Herod heard about this, for Jesus name had become well known. Some were saying,[a] John the Baptist has been raised from the dead, and that is why miraculous powers are at work in him.
Mark 8:27-28 (NIV)
27 Jesus and his disciples went on to the villages around Caesarea Philippi. On the way he asked them, Who do people say I am? 28 They replied, Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, one of the prophets.
Interesting, reincarnation may have been part of Jewish belief?
He has gone home now, but I highly recommend his ministry. I recall hearing him on a recorded broadcast one time as he described visiting a foreign country where people lived on a river and had no variety in their diets, because fish was all they had to eat. His voice then broke as he went on that "...and some people don't have enough to eat AT ALL."
Quite a contrast to the "Profit-Driven Church" who preach a gospel of gaudiness and flash...(shades of Matthew 6:5 ff)
Obligatory disclaimer for the intellectually-minded: he won a fellowship in philosophy at Cambridge (as in Oxford and Cambridge) at age 24 under Ludwig Wittgenstein (yes, *that* Wittgenstein. Incidentally Catholic theologian Elizabeth Anscombe *also* studied under Wittegenstein.)
Second disclaimer: while I'm on the subject, Jonathan Edwards ("Sinners in the hands of an angry god") *finished* his college degreee at Yale (as in Harvard, Yale, Princeton) at age seventeen, first in his class.
I am so Joyful and at Peace by God's grace to be a Christian. My Lord Jesus Christ shows me that glorified bodily resurrection is my future state and eternal existence in constant intimate relationship with Him!
Just what is it that people are looking for with signs anyway?
Signs, well, actually miracles, for unbelievers are understandable. It is a witness to men about God. It can convict unbelievers that God is real. Jesus used miracles to bring men to Himself all the times. But read what He says about people looking for signs. It's easy to do a keyword search on the word sign on somewhere like the Biblegateway.
But believers should already have that *God is real* already covered. What do they need signs for? I can't think of a *sign* that modern day believers look for that can't be counterfeited by the enemy.
Anyone who claims to be a believer who is depending on signs to validate some work to determine if it's from God or not is leaving themselves open to spiritual deception.
Agreed! Many Think Gideons fleece was a good idea but was it really? Just because it is in the Bible does not mean it was God's will. Maybe Gideon had fear and doubt issues. These to me are the opposite of Faith.
Wow, how about interior locution? Does it exist or is it only a Catholic teaching? I do not see too much problems with it IMHO.
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
There are the gifts of knowledge and wisdom given by the Spirit. I don't know if that is what the Catholic church recognizes or labels as interior locution or not.
See Mark it is all about the relationship. I had Interior locution once in my life. I have a daily moment to moment relationship however.
As I noted before.
I agreed with your many excellent points in that post.
Yup. Derek Prince was more than a little British! LOL.