Posted on 08/15/2011 4:17:17 AM PDT by Colofornian
Last week, a Texas jury convicted Warren Jeffs, leader of the polygamist FLDS Church, of two counts of child sexual assault...For Americans who are increasingly interested in the religion of the two Mormons running for president, Jeffs' conviction raises what could appear to be difficult questions about modern Mormonism.
There is no formal connection between Jeffs' FLDS Church and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints... From 1852 until 1890, however, the Mormon Church did publically teach and practice polygamy...
Given that history, many Americans ask themselves whether Jeffs' cocktail of religious authority, polygamy and child sex represents some dangerous essence concealed within the apparently wholesome veneer of mainstream Mormonism...
...Many modern Latter-day Saints fear that in Jeffs they see a living relic of their own religious past, a piece of perfectly preserved 19th-century Mormonism, like a frightening prehistoric monster encased in amber. They do not like what they see, but given the enormous importance of historical memory for Mormon identity this fact presents a problem.
Answering any of these questions requires a nuanced understanding of history. If the stories they tell about their own origins are true, the spiritual progenitors of the FLDS began their split with mainstream Mormonism in the 1880s at the height of the federal government's intense legal crusade against plural marriage.
Modern Mormons and modern polygamists have thus been pursuing divergent paths for more than a century, a much longer period than the founding generation of Mormonism that they jointly claim...
...19th-century Mormonism did contain some of the elements of Jeffs' story: plural marriage, prophets with loyal followers and geographic isolation. These elements, along with utopia building and a fiery millennialism, pushed 19th-century Mormonism in upon itself, creating barriers with the outside, "gentile" world and at times earning that world's suspicion and hostility...
(Excerpt) Read more at deseretnews.com ...
I was showing where the OP quoted the Bible incorrectly. Get a clue
I notice you aren’t spreading the mesage of Gods love or that Jesus is the way.
No, just cut-n-paste the same tired hate filled mantra. Yep thats the way to win people over.
Just wanted to say thanks again to Colo and all the FI’s who persisted in demonstrating their “hate”.
If it wasn’t for them and their “hatred”, I wouldn’t have made the decision to leave mormonism.
You see, the LdS church “warns” their members not to peruse any non-church sanctioned materials or media.
Now why do you suppose that would be? Well, as they tell it, it could shake a member’s “testimony”. Really? If the church were “true”®, what could be shaken?
What’s the harm in posting all this “hatred” if the church is really true®? Should be like water off a duck’s back right?
Anyway, disruptors, trolls, crybabies, etc. are typically shallow in their attempts to slander folks with the “hatred” label.
Try a new schtick, it’s been done too many times before. Pointing out the fallacies, lies and inconsistencies of mormonism is not “hate”. No matter how shallow one’s pond of reason is.
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A position that is indefensible should be abandoned.
""Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I heareby declare my intention to submit to those laws, to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise."
Use his "influence"? Doesn't he supposedly speak for god? Why wouldn't the members obey forthwith if he's the prophet?
All you need for proof is that D&C 132 has been kept in their scripture since the announcement and that many of the mormons and their "leaders" kept on engaging in polygamy even after their "prophet" gave the pronouncement.
In fact, they never even condemned it in the "Manifesto". They "reproved" the individual, but not the practice.
""There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land. "
It just states we're not going to acknowledge doing it, we're not going to endorse it, we're not going to renounce it.
Now if they supposedly obeyed their "prophet", why did they keep on engaging in polygamy for all those years after?
Simple, it was just one man, who instead of acting in the capacity of "prophet", was only stating his personal position. (Wink, wink)
Whats the harm? It drives more people away from salvation then it saves.
How so? How does exposing mormonISM drive people from (Biblical) Salvation?
read the Bible, the answer is in there
I have and guess what we are commanded to expose false teachings and profits. What Bible are you reading?
I posted my thanks and appreciation, an indicator that I had been directed towards, not away from salvation because of Colo and the FI’s. Did you miss that?
I’m posting here to tell you that you’re statement cannot be proven. It’s an assertion that has no basis in fact.
There are a few others who would tell you the same thing.
I could also refer you to the numerous ex-mormon websites counseling and supporting ex-mormons and soon to be ex-mormons in how to turn to Christ for their salvation.
I just caught on to something...
You believe there is salvation in mormonISM? That to educate mormons about the truth and for them to leave places their eternal souls in peril?
If so, I’m going to have to disagree. The Bible is quite clear on what is needed for salvation. Mormonism, not so much.
Really?
Shame?
Hate?
No, there is not hate just a clarification of the truth and illuminating the difference in doctrines.
Hate?
LDS has been preaching against all of Christianity for 150+ years.
Fine, but there is an opinion on our side and we don’t have take comments like yours without a response.
Yes, but God is not single faceted drift - remember too:
Luk 11:44 KJV - Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over [them] are not aware [of them].
2Pe 2:1 KJV - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
1Jo 4:1 KJV - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Ti 4:1 KJV - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2Pe 2:9 KJV - The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Jud 1:15 KJV - To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Mat 11:22 KJV - But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.
Mat 11:24 KJV - But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
Mar 6:11 KJV - And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
So if you are going to quote the bible - make sure you understand the whole of the bible. Perhaps too, you should pay even closer attention to what you cite as well:
6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
So you want to delight in evil because of a misdirected concept of God's "love". Think again.
So now I’m a false teacher eh. get over yourself
“I just caught on to something.”
Good for you
“You believe there is salvation in mormonISM?”
I do? Where do I state that? Nowhere, in fact I state the reverse. Can’t see straight through your hate can you?
If that is how you characterize yourself. Perhaps you could use additional bible study to prevent further foolish posts.
Satan knows the Bible very well.
Is that who taught you?
Speaking lies of me now driftdriver - tell us then who's your daddy?
Jesus is my savior.
You’re the one throwing around heresy.
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