Posted on 09/17/2011 3:16:55 PM PDT by NYer
This was the experience I had during my NDE. The experience changed my life forever.
Thank you to everyone for your comments, experiences and memories. And links!
My other-in-law died recently from cancer, and during the last day or so she had a sudden moment where she could sort of talk again... she said she had “seen a bright light, and it was beautiful”. This woman had been a very strong atheist all her life and always believed that dead meant “just gone, no longer in existance”.
While you’re consulting scripture, do pay a visit to Paul via Romans 8 and I Corinthians 15. He had quite a bit to say upon the matter as well.
They’ll be there, just make sure you are, yourself.
My aunt had serious heart surgery, and remembers standing on a mountain. On a mountain right next to the mountain she was on, she saw her mother, brothers and sisters who had previously died. They told my aunt to come over and join them. My aunt told them that she did not have her purse with her and would have to return to get her purse first. The next thing my aunt knew she was waking up in Recovery after her surgery.
Another of my aunts, before she died in the nursing home, called out, “No, Mike, not yet. Ma? Ma?” Mike was the deceased son of my aunt, Apparently he was at the foot of her bed, and my aunt was telling him she could not go with him, and was calling instead for her mother. She died shortly afterward. Her daughter related this story to me.
I refer to those as "the wormy suck people". I think it's something that people who were especially carnal in their appetites experience..I hope he's changed his ways, or he will be experiencing them for all eternity someday.
I've seen them described by others during nde's.
90 Minutes in Heaven by Don Piper http://www.90minutesinheaven.com/
“Not likely... because God is in Hell.. He is omnipresent”
“That is the most bizarre comment I have ever read.”
Rev 14
9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB
11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up FOR EVER AND EVER and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
One may have all sorts of interpretations of the beast depending on one’s prophetic persuasion, however this obviously refers to everlasting punishment in God’s presence. While, in the present age, Christ is the light of the world, for those who are cast into “outer darkness” He is no longer the light, although He is present. That, surely, is a major part of the torment.
Did you read any of Moody's books? One of the most compelling aspects of the near death experiences are those people who later tell of events that were impossible for them to know.
One of the examples ( of several) was the boy who during his NDE meets his cousin. When he returned to consciousness, he told his aunt not to worry that his cousin was safe and happy and in heaven. His cousin had been killed in an automobile accident shortly before his NDE and no one knew about it, even as the boy was telling his aunt that his cousin was in heaven. Moody interviewed not only the boy but those family members involved.
Also....Moody did his work long before NDE was known in the culture, as it is today, yet, even though it was impossible for the people who had the NDEs to have known each other, or to have known of this phenomena, there were major common themes in their experiences.
Personally....I believe it is worth while to investigate NDEs and not to casually dismiss them, especially when regaining consciousness the person affected tells of events with others that would be impossible for him to know.
How can God be where he is not?
My mother told me for a week before she died that my father (who died years before) was coming to get her. She had me do her hair for her.
Do you not understand what OMNIPRESENT means? It means God is EVERYWHERE..yes including hell
As Sproul notes...
A breath of relief is usually heard when someone declares, “Hell is a symbol for separation from God.” To be separated from God for eternity is no great threat to the impenitent person. The ungodly want nothing more than to be separated from God. Their problem in hell will not be separation from God, it will be the presence of God that will torment them. In hell, God will be present in the fullness of His divine wrath. He will be there to exercise His just punishment of the damned. They will know Him as an all-consuming fire.
Ps 139:8
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there
Btt
It is an interesting subject but I have not heard of any studies on the characteristics of those reporting having NDE's, compared to those not having NDE's. Any adequate physical histories such as what chemicals were put into their bodies a few days before the NDE? What was the diagnosis of their physical condition? Those having NDE's outside a hospital vs. those having NDE's in a hospital setting? Remember those in a hospital often have undergon treatment with anesthesia. Any personality inventories run on those reporting NDE's vs. those not reportingthem(an MMPI for example)?
Those writing books about NDE's expect to make money as do their publishers. Does the desire to sell books or give a lecture-for a fee-influence which NDE's are selected and reported vs. the less interesting cases of those who report nothing?
Speaking of those who report nothing-I have personally known such a case-what is the explanation for such instances? Lastly, I believe in a "life after death" I merely do not believe these anecdotal stories "prove" life after death. I believe there is probably a more naturalistic explanation.
“Do you not understand what OMNIPRESENT means? It means God is EVERYWHERE..yes including hell”
I understand perfectly - just read what I stated and the Scripture quoted. My response was to Louis Foxwell who considered the idea bizarre, and I included you since he was responding to your comment re omnipresence with which I totally agree.
Your post really struck my heart. Such vivid recollections gave me pause to stop, think, and pray. How wonderful Heaven is for those who await it. Thank you so much for your post. Prayers & FReegards.
And omnipresent does not include nowhere.
Because God is spirit, and being God, He cannot be confined by time or space, but can be wherever He wants. This should not be difficult.
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