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City Demands Christians Get Permit For Bible Study
WND ^ | 9/18/2011

Posted on 09/18/2011 2:31:40 PM PDT by Just4Him

Chuck and Stephanie Fromm already have been fined $300 for holding Bible studies for their friends at their home, and they face the potential for additional fines of $500 for each study held, according to a legal team taking their case to court.

The newest conflict over Bible studies in homes in America arose in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., where city officials say city code section 9-3.301 prohibits religious organizations in residential neighborhoods without a conditional-use permit, a sometimes very expensive procedure.

The code cites "churches, temples, synagogues, monasteries, religious retreats, and other places of religious worship and other fraternal and community service organizations."

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To: CaspersGh0sts
-- Granted, the above are not regular meetings, so that would be the argument against it. --

The cases I have a vague recollection of all involved regular gathers, sometimes more than one time a week, and involved what I think everybody would agree was a "traffic disruption" when underway.

The decision should turn on just that, traffic, occupancy limits, and similar.

41 posted on 09/18/2011 3:34:00 PM PDT by Cboldt
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Capistrano Couple in Legal Battle for Hosting Bible Study in Home

From this story, there is no parking issue, and the citation was issued probably at the insistence of one jerkwad neighbor (others are supportive of Fromms) against a statute that ...

prohibits "religious, fraternal or non-profit" organizations in residential neighborhoods without a conditional-use permit. The footnote on the section says it "Includes churches, temples, synagogues, monasteries, religious retreats, and other places of religious worship and other fraternal and community service organizations."
On the other hand, what they are doing presents a traffic pattern that resembles that of a small church ...

Town Bans Home Bible Studies - DailyCristo

Stephanie holds one study during the week which is attended by about 20 people, and Chuck holds one on Sundays with about 50 people.

42 posted on 09/18/2011 3:47:04 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: JRandomFreeper
>>>>>Taking a strict reading of the Consitution, it's a state or local matter.

The initial move by city officials of San Juan Capistrano was a local decision. But religious freedom is a sacred right written into the Bill of Rights. This decision is actually discriminatory in nature. No local, state or federal govt has a right to prohibit religious freedom. This is the same type of situation regarding local, state and federal infringement of the 2nd amendments RKBA. Trampling on the Constitution is what this is. Plain and simple.

43 posted on 09/18/2011 3:48:34 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

They are probably doing it under the excuse of causing parking congestion.


44 posted on 09/18/2011 3:50:01 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Just4Him

Filthy cellar Christians! Send in SWAT, and take them to Reeducation Center 42!

It is outrageous that anyone would somehow believe that they can just, willy-nilly, have people come to their house to reinforce their own twisted antisocial mythology by “studyng” a racist, mean-spirited, intolerant, Islamophobic, homophobic, and violent “religious” book.

It is bad enough that they refuse to worship like decent people in the local Obamatorium Orgasmatron Mosque, but to deliberately undermine society and pollute their neighborhood with their hateful doctrines is intolerable in a tolerant society!


45 posted on 09/18/2011 3:54:37 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: Just4Him

So call it a book club and tell the city regulators to get lost.


46 posted on 09/18/2011 4:02:00 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Agreed. 20-50 people can really upset a neighborhood. So lets smack down a small group of people who are engaging in their Constitutional and God given right of religious freedom. Its a small issue and will probably be settled at the local level. I'm just in a pissy mood today and am tired of everyone trampling on the Constitution. There is really no honest defense of this decision that I can see. Some will try to offer a defense. One actually has, but they're ALL wrong.
47 posted on 09/18/2011 4:03:49 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Just4Him

It’s upwards of 50 cars. That’s kind of a lot.

That said, I presume they are paying property taxes. Perhaps they SHOULD obtain a permit to become a church, in which case they will cease to have to pay property taxes.

Indeed, they should pay the fine and demand their money back for property taxes —— the City can’t have it both ways.


48 posted on 09/18/2011 4:07:16 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Just4Him
Chuck and Stephanie Fromm already have been fined $300 for holding Bible studies for their friends at their home

It's a good thing for the judge that I'm nowhere near California. This nonsense MUST stop.

Hey judge! Come and get me too. I've probably got more Bible books on my shelf here than you have law books; and sometimes I read them.

ML/NJ

49 posted on 09/18/2011 4:09:13 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Just4Him

wow. just .wow

nanny state, make room for regulo-state


50 posted on 09/18/2011 4:13:25 PM PDT by jbp1 (be nice now)
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To: editor-surveyor

They can say they’re Muslims then hold their Bible study. Who’s going to knock on their door and demand to see a Koran?


51 posted on 09/18/2011 4:16:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: drypowder

They can say they’re Muslims then hold their Bible study. Who’s going to knock on their door and demand to see a Koran?


52 posted on 09/18/2011 4:16:40 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: F15Eagle

They can say they’re Muslims then hold their Bible study. Who’s going to knock on their door and demand to see a Koran?


53 posted on 09/18/2011 4:17:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: Reagan Man
Some Americans need to read the US Constitution's Bill of Rights, Amendment 1:

Starting with you: CONGRESS shall make no law...

Well, Congress didn't make this law, the California legislature did, and they are perfectly free to establish a religion or not, and to place any restrictions on religion that they see fit (as long as permitted by the California constitution).

54 posted on 09/18/2011 4:20:28 PM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Reagan Man

When I went back and read the article, and read the wording, I decided that the best defense was to simply call the Bible study a book club.


55 posted on 09/18/2011 4:31:00 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Jim Noble
>>>>>they are perfectly free to establish a religion

I've read the Constitution, numbnuts. State sponsored religion in America! Just try it and see how far you get. The Mormon's tried it and they were slapped down more than once.

This is an issue of discrimination against religious freedom related to individuals. The US Constitution protects peoples right to worship as they see fit. If its not settled at the local level, it will go up the pecking order and might reach a vote in the USSC. I doubt it will get that far.

56 posted on 09/18/2011 4:31:30 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Eva

Someone else suggested that. Sounds like a winner.


57 posted on 09/18/2011 4:36:45 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Just4Him; WKB; tutstar; greyfoxx39; Sopater; Vision; bamahead

First Amendment ping


58 posted on 09/18/2011 4:44:11 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Eva

Excellent!


59 posted on 09/18/2011 4:45:38 PM PDT by Just4Him
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To: Reagan Man
Actually, this violates TWO aspects of that....

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

60 posted on 09/18/2011 4:46:26 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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