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Why bother going to Mass in the state of sin? Fr. Z rants with hellfire and brimstone (Catholic)
WDTPRS ^ | September 21, 2011

Posted on 09/21/2011 2:16:00 PM PDT by NYer

From a reader:

Fr. Z I’m struggling to wrap my head around what the point of going to Mass if we’re not in the state of sanctifying grace.

My understanding is when we fall from grace, any good works we do merit us nothing. Also, it only takes one mortal sin to sever our relationship with God, so committing another one by not fulfilling my Sunday obligation wouldn’t really make a difference in regards of the state of my soul. And finally, I can’t receive communion, so I don’t receive any graces from that.

So in summation, I wouldn’t sever my relationship with God because it already is; I can’t merit any good works or graces from Mass because I’m not in the state of sanctifying grace, and finally, because my relationship with God is severed, he doesn’t care if I’m there or not.

So really, what’s the point of going to Mass when i’m in the state of mortal sin?

The attitude described in your question above, and I assuming you are presenting this as a hypothetical question, is dangerous. Hypothetical it may be, but I will treat it seriously.

There is an image in Evelyn Waugh’s Brideshead Revisited: the blow upon the bruise.

To commit a mortal sin is bad. To commit another with the attitude that it doesn’t make any difference now that you have already committed one is dreadful. It can lead to what we refer to as hardness of heart, the ingrained callousness about sin that ultimately ends in never seeking forgiveness and reconciliation.

Not to attend Mass, intentionally not to fulfill your obligation, is itself a mortal sin.

Purposely multiplying mortal sins with the attitude that it doesn’t make a difference or that it is pointless to do something good and indeed obligatory is foolish and dangerous.

The Lord Himself speaks about blasphemy, sins against the Holy Spirit, which are unpardonable. This sin against the Holy Spirit can manifest in various ways, including impenitence and despair.

A few more things.

First, our obligation to attend Holy Mass on days of precept is a commandment of the Church rooted in the divine positive law given in the Ten Commandments. Holy Church says you have to go to Mass because God says we are to give Him His due. That is a good enough reason to go.

Second, while it is true that, being in the state of mortal sin you would not receive the graces that would come from reception of the Eucharist, there are other actual graces offered to sinners to help them return to the state of grace. Just because you cannot go to Communion, that doesn’t mean that you cannot receive human formation and edification from the readings, sermons, probity and good example of the congregants, the ars celebrandi of the priest, the beauty of the windows, a waft of incense, etc. God works in the small things, too, in the spaces between the signs, and in the silences. It could very well be that something will penetrate which will help to bring about conversion and, thus, help drag the soul back from the ledge looming above the pit of eternal hell.

Third, some people are under the mistaken impression that attendance at Holy Mass automatically implies reception of Holy Communion. When they go to Mass, they automatically receive whether they ought to or not. Similarly, people could have the false idea that if they cannot receive Communion, then it is pointless to go to Mass. It is good for people to receive Communion if they are properly disposed. However, the Latin Church’s law requires reception of Communion once a year. At the same time, the laws says that we must attend Mass on every day of precept, which of course includes all Sundays. Going to Mass does not imply automatic Communion. We go to Mass for many other reasons as well.

Finally, and I’m serious, spend a little while trying to imagine the first ten seconds of realization experienced by the soul who winds up in hell.

Imagine the shock of realization. “This can’t be happening to me!” Imagine the first ten seconds. Imagine the surprise and panic and anger and fear and the growing understanding that it will never end.

I suggest avoiding the voluntary infliction of your own blow upon the bruise you already inflicted on yourself. Don’t hurt yourself, at least because of the dread of the loss of heaven if not, at first, the love of God who made you in His image and desires your eternal happiness with Him in heaven.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; communion; grace; mass; mortal; mortalsin; romancatholicism; sin; stateofgrace; stateofsin

1 posted on 09/21/2011 2:16:04 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

This is a Catholic Caucus Thread


2 posted on 09/21/2011 2:17:21 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. - 1 John 1:9

Why even consider going to mass if you’re not repentent of whatever sin it is you’ve committed?


3 posted on 09/21/2011 2:24:09 PM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Sopater
My old church had confessions just before Mass. A really good idea.
4 posted on 09/21/2011 2:26:25 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Mikey_1962
My old church had confessions just before Mass. A really good idea.

That was before the bishops got caught up with social justice theology and folk masses. Why worry about saving souls when you can spend the effort on defending the law-breaking illegal aliens and spending St. Patrick's Day dinners with pro-abortion politicians like Pelosi, Kennedy, Biden Leahy, etc.

5 posted on 09/21/2011 2:38:49 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: Sopater
"Why even consider going to mass if you’re not repentent of whatever sin it is you’ve committed?"

Your question makes a kind of logical and consistent sense: but the longer I live, the more I am convinced that people often do not make choices on the basis of logic and consistency. And sometimes this is a good thing: they are not fully committed to the whole catalogue of their sins, they are not coherently dedicated to evil, they do not live down to their lowest ideals.

Thus they hesitate, shilly-shally, wish to go forward two steps and back two steps. I think God can use this shilly-shallying in order to draw us back into repentance.

A person may orbit around a church for half a year before coming in for a landing in the parking lot. Or may sit in the back of Church a half hour bfore the service starts, and leave before the entrance hymn. (I've done that.) Or may attend but not receive Communion, well-aware that they ought not to receive unless they have resolved their conflicts and come back whole-heartedly in God's mercy.

All this is to the good. They may be drawn to the Lord by degrees. Christ reached out to such as these. "The bent reed I will not break, and the smouldering wick I will not extinguish."

6 posted on 09/21/2011 2:54:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Prego a tutti i santi ..!")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

just say 5 hail marys,5 our fathers and slip a 20 in the poor box,your good to go.


7 posted on 09/21/2011 3:03:41 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: Craftmore

I’m assuming by your post that you have no real clue about Catholic teaching and spirituality.


8 posted on 09/21/2011 3:13:11 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Craftmore

Or you could do jumping-jacks for an hour and burn 500 calories. No eternal merit there, but maybe it would justify a double cheeseburger for supper, hey? Inshallah.


9 posted on 09/21/2011 4:43:11 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be" said the Cat,"or you wouldn't have come here.")
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To: Craftmore; Mrs. Don-o

>>just say 5 hail marys,5 our fathers and slip a 20 in the poor box,your good to go.<<

Wrong on Catholic teachings and wrong on spelling.

Your = You’re. It’s a contraction of you and are.


10 posted on 09/21/2011 6:08:51 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Craftmore
Even if that were he fact, which it very definitely is not, it would still be better than, “5 out of context verses, redefine 5 words to suit yourself, and slip your own personal interpretation of Scripture into your backpack to rationalize your sinful behavior”.
11 posted on 09/21/2011 9:15:54 PM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: Craftmore

12 posted on 09/22/2011 8:31:15 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Mikey_1962
My old church had confessions just before Mass. A really good idea.

Visiting an out of town parish, I noticed they had after Mass confessions. What kind of confession can you give after Mass?

"Forgive me Father for I have sinned. You know the cute girl in the third row at Mass? Well..."
13 posted on 09/22/2011 9:30:35 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

One should never neglect to ask God for a “Spiritual Communion” if one is stuck in the sit-in-the-pews-but-haven’t-yet-gone-to-Confession stage (ongoing personal experience).


14 posted on 09/22/2011 9:42:29 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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