Posted on 10/02/2011 8:22:30 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
Nope.
You can try to change the subject but the fact remains that YOU at your comfy home in the USA are willing to consign Christians in the ME to death but YOU are not first in line for martyrdom.
How hypocritical can one get.
Israel has no better friends than Protestants. And no worse enemy than those who would usurp Israel's covenants with God and try to make them their own. As if God can be fooled.
How hypocritical can one get? Evidently MUCH MUCH MORE than one can imagine. They are called the Roman Catholic Church. And they walk as one group-think organization, straight to the edge of the cliff.
Call us when you preach in Cairo.
Post me when your leader stands for something.
Israel has no better friends than Protestants. And no worse enemy than those who would usurp Israel's covenants with God and try to make them their own. As if God can be fooled.
Actually, classical Protestantism, like Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the so-called Lesser Eastern Churches (Non-Chalcaedonians and Nestorians) also believe the church is "spiritual Israel," and this is exactly what the main Protestant reformers taught. The discarding of this belief came later during what is called the "radical reformation." Even today it is not all Protestants, but only a certain kind of Protestant who supports Israel. My theory is that new churches with no history of their own had nowhere to go but the Hebrew Bible, and thus for them the Jews again were important.
Fundamentalist Protestant support of Israel and the Jews is long and historic, extending back to the seventeenth century. It is most unfortunate that Fundamentalist Protestantism has been almost universally branded as "anti-Semitic" and that Jews who engage in ecumenical activities insist on limiting those activities to the liturgical churches and liberal Protestants. My own personal opinion as to why they shun the one community that supports them is simple--social snobbery. Catholics and liberal Protestants are intellectuals and play all sorts of word games which Fundamentalist Protestants will not play.
Of course Fundamentalist Protestants aren't perfect either. They don't seem to understand that Jews don't share their beliefs in the "new testament" or in a single "Judaeo-chr*stian religion" (in fact, Jews have the same attitude towards Hebraicized chr*stianity that chr*stians do towards "chrislam"). They still believe they know the meaning of the Jewish Bible better than the Jews do (which is nonsense), and their belief in chr*stianity is completely unexamined. They believe in chr*stianity because their bibles have a "new testament" but they never think to wonder if it is supposed to be there. They regard their religious beliefs as self-evident and self-authenticating when they are not.
But then, all sincere religious believers reject other religions as false. For all their maddening deficiencies, I'll still pick them over more traditional (and more liberal) chr*stians. But then, I'm a Noachide who used to be a Fundamentalist Protestant, so I suppose my attitude can't help but be a bit idiosyncratic.
Did you ask Him? How did you acquire the position to tell people what their calling from God is?
>> I don’t deal well with hypocrites.<<
Hypocrit - "One who puts on a false appearance, to hide his real motives, one who feigns, a play actor, a fake, a fraud, a phony."
Isn’t that what you are promoting? Put on a false appearance so as not to endanger anyone, to hide your real motive?
2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
If you were hiding Jews and the Nazis came do your door looking for them, would you say, "You apostate Nazis, of course I have Jews upstairs, and you will never get them, because God protects them!" Or would you exercise prudence and wisdom, and attempt to convince the Nazis that you were harmless and knew nothing of any Jews being hidden by anyone?
You and smvoice are effectively castigating the Pope for behaving with prudence and caution where other people's lives are at stake. I submit that if you had any loved ones in the Middle East, most especially if they were priests or nuns with targets on their backs if the Pope spoke incautiously, you would be most pleased by his prudence.
The Pope invited the Muslims to a discussion of their tendencies toward violence. They responded by murdering nuns, burning churches, etc. I would say the discussion is finished, and the Pope needs to say nothing more. The discussion is one for soldiers to conduct, not churchmen.
My son in law is right now in Afghanistan and will be for the next year. Does that count? And I can assure you that he’s not hiding what he believes.
>> most especially if they were priests or nuns with targets on their backs<<
Do you somehow suppose there are not targets on the backs of our boys over there?
The fear of repercussions for proclaiming the gospel does not bode well for those who do not want to hear the words “I never knew you”.
In the first place, I’m not so sure that is an analogy you really should be using. Didn’t the Vatican have some sort of concord or compact with Nazi Germany? And didn’t they hide fleeing Nazis after the war? Or is just baseless gossip? Because if the Vatican did, and fleeing Jews were hiding in my home, it would seem the Roman Catholics would be as much to be feared as the Nazis when it came to Jews. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, and I will apologize for my misunderstanding of any role the Vatican may have had in Hitler’s reign of terror.
The Vatican and the Red Cross both helped Nazis. That’s why mass murderers such as Adolf Eichmann, Josef Mengele and Klaus Barbie and thousands of others evaded capture by the allies. I think it was Gerald Steinacher from Harvard that actually wrote a book about it after sealed documents had come to light. If I remember correctly the Red Cross did admit later that they had. Steinacher said the the Red Cross was overwhelmed and the Nazis used that to blend in but that the Vatican helped them knowingly.
I just wanted to say that I posted the article for what it said about the current (as opposed to the former) Vatican policy on islam and the Middle East. I am sorry that name-calling about World War II has come up.
I’m sorry also, but only surprised that this thread devolved so quickly. Usually it’s a little longer. :)
Actual discussion has become exceedingly rare on these threads. I appreciate that you actually wished to have one.
Thank-you Salvation for clearing the air.
That is their MO. LOL !!
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
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