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Are We Seeing the Beginning of Religious Persecution in America?
Our Sunday Visitor ^ | 11/6/11 | Russell Shaw

Posted on 10/27/2011 8:29:35 AM PDT by marshmallow

Catholic Church agencies are closing their doors under new laws, policies gutting conscience rights

Is America on track for a religious freedom crisis generated by secularists in and out of government bent on pushing churches around on a variety of fronts? Fresh evidence strongly suggests that the answer is yes.

Take what’s been happening lately in Peoria, Ill. In early October, the Diocese of Peoria announced it was discontinuing Catholic Charities foster care services in reaction to a new law requiring state-funded programs to place children with unmarried couples living in civil unions. The diocese said Charities also would withdraw from all its state contracts, said to total $23 million annually.

“I have a responsibility to assure that Catholic Charities operates consistently with the teaching and values of the Church,” explained Peoria Bishop Daniel Jenky.

Earlier, the Diocese of Rockford, Ill., also ended its foster care services. Three other Illinois dioceses — Belleville, Joliet and Springfield — are still fighting the new law in court.

National trend

The events in Illinois mirror a growing national trend. The ability of religious institutions to operate free from government pressure to violate their conscientious convictions has increasingly come under attack.

Repeatedly, the pressure has been brought to bear on churches on behalf of groups ranging from same-sex couples to federal officials backing coverage for contraception and sterilization in religious employers’ health plans. In the eyes of the secular militants, the First Amendment rights of religious institutions are of diminished importance.

In a Sept. 20 letter to President Barack Obama, Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York protested recent administration moves aimed at various Catholic Church programs. Archbishop Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, warned of an impending “national conflict between church and state of enormous proportions” which he said would harm both.......

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christophobia; illinois; persecution
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1 posted on 10/27/2011 8:29:38 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
One needs to recognize that
this is largely self-inflicted.

Members of the RCC have voted
overwhelmingly
for baby-killing Democrats.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

2 posted on 10/27/2011 8:38:22 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
And how many Jewish people voted for Obama?
3 posted on 10/27/2011 8:45:14 AM PDT by mtg
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To: marshmallow

Certainly Christian persecution, I don’t think religious persecution in general. And faux Christianity mixed with paganism and progressive philosophy is still ok. And Islam is “hands off” — protected religion.


4 posted on 10/27/2011 8:46:22 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Comment #3 really skewered you! Touche!!!


5 posted on 10/27/2011 8:48:56 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: marshmallow
When a charity completely funded by Catholic donations is forced to conform or fold then that will be persecution.

A Catholic charity that gets its funding from the government has to play by the government's rules however perverse.

Our government is no longer guided by Christian principles so any organization that gets funding from them will have to use the money in ways that are no longer guided by Christian principles.

If you lay down with dogs, etc.

6 posted on 10/27/2011 8:51:27 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: mtg
And how many Jewish people voted for Obama?

Only the Atheists.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
7 posted on 10/27/2011 9:01:33 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: steve86
See #7
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

8 posted on 10/27/2011 9:03:53 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: steve86
Touche!!!

pas de touché

9 posted on 10/27/2011 9:16:57 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: mtg

About 70 million Catholics and 6 million Jews in the USA. Obama won by 10 million popular votes.

No realistic hypothesized Jewish votes switching from Obama to McCain would have changed the election’s outcome. Can the same claim be made about Catholic votes?


10 posted on 10/27/2011 9:19:38 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: marshmallow
Are We Seeing the Beginning of Religious Persecution in America?

The title caught my attention. Christians have been persecuted in America for quite a while. My daughter's friend received a death threat for starting a bible club in high school, over 15 years ago. Christians have been unwelcome in universities and Hollywood for quite a while.

11 posted on 10/27/2011 9:27:55 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: marshmallow

Here’s my theory:

The rise of militant Islam is a mere side show. The real problem is the rise of the secular worldview that is the the anti-biblical worldview ( ex. the normalization of Homosexuality). At some point the muslims (satan’s useful idiots) will no longer be compatible with New World Order and will have to conform or be disposed of.


12 posted on 10/27/2011 9:44:21 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: marshmallow
It is time for civil disobedience. In other words, revolution.

Just ignore these STUPID laws. Refuse to cooperate at all. If fined, refuse to pay. What are they going to do arrest the priest? Move church funds to safe locations, out of reach of government.

Just as criminals have discovered that it is unlikely that they will be caught and if caught, unlikely to be convicted, and if convicted, likely to get parole or a light sentence.

We need to start disobeying unconstitutional laws and stupid government mandates. This happens all the time. Dumb laws that people just ignore. We need to do more of this. They (government) just can't enforce the laws if enough people rebel. There aren't enough cops, judges, or jails to do so. That is what revolutions are. Civil disobedience. Hell No, I won't go! or Hell No I won't do it! Stop bending to the will of corrupt government. Stop being Lemmings. Stop jumping off the cliff because they pass some dumb law telling you to do so.

They say, let's pass this law because if X were to happen, it would be devastating.

First question. Has X ever happened? How often does X happen?, compared to what? What adverse consequences will there be for passing X? Does the good out weigh the bad?

Since lawmakers are incapable of common sense, we have to make them irrelevant.

13 posted on 10/27/2011 9:46:55 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; marshmallow
A Catholic charity that gets its funding from the government has to play by the government's rules however perverse.

When you call something "CatholicCharities"
and it is government funded, it is disingenuous.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
14 posted on 10/27/2011 9:47:39 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: faucetman

A law isn’t a law unless they can enforce it. Without enforcement, a law is meaningless.


15 posted on 10/27/2011 9:50:41 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Are you saying that 75-85% of Jewish people are Atheists? Wasn't the percentage that voted for Obama in that range?
16 posted on 10/27/2011 9:52:02 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: steve86

Sorry for the spelling and capitalization errors today: this is not even a true smart phone I’m using and I just broke my glasses!


17 posted on 10/27/2011 9:55:08 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: steve86
Urkel 2012 and two guys he knows are the only people he thinks aren't atheist and Urkel is keeping a watchful eye on one of them.
18 posted on 10/27/2011 10:12:44 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: marshmallow

Hardly the beginning. Just a new change in relativistic social law.

The changes really began in the 1900s when Dewey began pushing for public schools that didn’t teach any one specific religion but just promoted common things from all of them. His goal was to have schools promote a secular humanist morality and get religion out of schools/education (ie society). They wanted to impart a humanist morality. And as all such types of moral systems are relative, they shift and change over time and what was once okay and good becomes bad, and vice versa, depending how the leaders of such institutions wnat ot move things via the Hegelian dialectic process.


19 posted on 10/27/2011 10:14:34 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Rashputin; steve86
Urkel 2012 and two guys he knows are the only people he thinks aren't atheist and Urkel is keeping a watchful eye on one of them.

Seek YHvH in His WORD.

Isa 55:6
Seek YHvH while He may be found;
Call upon Him while He is near.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
20 posted on 10/27/2011 10:32:39 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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