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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

You wrote:

“2 Thessalonians defines good traditions as being from 1) the Gospel and 2) the Epistles from “us”, i.e. the Apostles and therefore synonymous with Holy Scripture.”

False. The Gospel is not a written message. It is the Good News of Christ - which St. Paul always preached and lived and SOMETIMES wrote. Look at St. Philip in Acts 8:12. In 8:35 Philip preaches starting with scripture. If you do a simple word search of “good news” you’ll see it is overwhelmingly by PREACHING not writing.

“Your traditions are supported by a catechism written by men whose hands were drenched in innocent blood over which non-scriptural tradition to accept, generally in order to cement political power. By their fruits ye shall know them.”

Your views are out of touch with reality. First, the Catechism was written by men who were never “drenched in innocent blood”. Tell me who Cardinal Schonborn killed. Can you? No, because he killed no one. Your comment rings of a bizarre twilight world view completely out of touch with reality. Second, although written by men, the work was protected by the Holy Spirit for He protects the Church. Also, you made no effort to refute what I posted. Failed so soon?

“Why do you think Christ and the Apostles blasted traditions other than those explicitly in Scripture as the philosophy of men over and over?”

First of all, they didn’t do what you claim. Please don’t twist the scriptures to your own destruction (2 Peter 3:14-18). Jesus “blasted” those traditions which NEGATED the word of God. He did not blast those which affirmed God word and that word did not have to be explicitly written either. Explain Matthew 23:1-3. Where do you find “Moses’ seat” in scriptures Christ would have known? Yeah, no where. And notice what he actually says to the Apostles about what they should do with the teachings?:
“so practice and observe whatever they tell you— but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.”

Where is that in the scriptures that existed when Christ walked the earth? No where. It is Tradition.

“Why do you and the catechism ignore those warnings?”

Your distortions of scripture are not warnings except against making your mistakes. I don’t make your mistakes.

“It was clearly a warning against the mixture of lies and truth in the Catholic Catechism, as well as the errors of Luther, Calvin, Henry VIII, Joseph Smith, Jim Jones and everyone else.”

There are no lies in the Catechism. Have you ever even read it? You can’t seem to respond to it.

“The Black Letter of Scripture is the only true north that each conscience must strive to approximate. Debate is good. Prove all things. But nothing spiritual is proven by dictat of anyone regardless of their claim of authority, or by the sword or the stake.”

And you can’t seem to prove anything you say. You don’t even seem to know the scriptures very well. You certainly can’t seem to interpret them properly.


34 posted on 11/16/2011 5:40:29 AM PST by vladimir998 (Public school grads are often too dumb to realize they're dumb)
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To: vladimir998

Oooh! I’ll take this one. It’s a gimme. It is so simple a child can understand it!

MATTHEW 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

“Moses’ seat” is the Old Testament equivalent of the later claimed “Seat of St. Peter” from Linus forward. You do not find it elsewhere because it did not exist. It was fraudulent.

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God gave to Moses the same authority (e.g. divorce) he gave to Peter but not to their “successors”, pretended or not:

NUMBERS 12
5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

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MATTHEW 23
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

Just look around the Vatican.

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8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Pope = Papa = Father (as are all priests called)
Who gave you the right to directly contradict scripture?

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13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

The history of the Catholic Church. (e.g. on the destruction of the Cathars mixed with Catholics, ‘kill them all and let God sort them out’.)


43 posted on 11/16/2011 6:47:35 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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