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To: vladimir998

Oooh! I’ll take this one. It’s a gimme. It is so simple a child can understand it!

MATTHEW 23
1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

“Moses’ seat” is the Old Testament equivalent of the later claimed “Seat of St. Peter” from Linus forward. You do not find it elsewhere because it did not exist. It was fraudulent.

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God gave to Moses the same authority (e.g. divorce) he gave to Peter but not to their “successors”, pretended or not:

NUMBERS 12
5 And the LORD came down in the pillar of the cloud, and stood in the door of the tabernacle, and called Aaron and Miriam: and they both came forth.
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the LORD shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?

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MATTHEW 23
4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

Just look around the Vatican.

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8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Pope = Papa = Father (as are all priests called)
Who gave you the right to directly contradict scripture?

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13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
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29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

The history of the Catholic Church. (e.g. on the destruction of the Cathars mixed with Catholics, ‘kill them all and let God sort them out’.)


43 posted on 11/16/2011 6:47:35 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

You wrote:

“Oooh! I’ll take this one. It’s a gimme. It is so simple a child can understand it!”

Except you apparently don’t.

““Moses’ seat” is the Old Testament equivalent of the later claimed “Seat of St. Peter” from Linus forward. You do not find it elsewhere because it did not exist. It was fraudulent.”

So, you’re claiming Jesus told the Apostles to follow something that was fraudulent? “All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do”

“Pope = Papa = Father (as are all priests called)
Who gave you the right to directly contradict scripture?”

It doesn’t contradict scripture. If your interpretation was valid then Jesus would have contradicted His own words. See John 8:55-57

“The history of the Catholic Church. (e.g. on the destruction of the Cathars mixed with Catholics, ‘kill them all and let God sort them out’.)”

The whole “kill them all” myth is exactly that. There’s no reliable historical evidence anyone ever said them before the storming of a town in the Albigensian crusade. Medieval warfare was harsh. What was done on the battlefield by soldiers has nothing to do with Catholic doctrine.

Can you actually present any evidence for your claims?


45 posted on 11/16/2011 7:07:35 AM PST by vladimir998 (Public school grads are often too dumb to realize they're dumb)
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