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Crystal Cathedral Prays For Miracle to Stop Sale
The Orange County Register ^ | 11/20/11 | Scott Martindale

Posted on 11/21/2011 6:27:15 AM PST by marshmallow

The bankrupt megachurch is to be sold to the Diocese of Orange.

GARDEN GROVE – Crystal Cathedral's head pastor spoke optimistically about the future of her iconic megachurch at Sunday morning services, telling a congregation of about 400 that it was not too late to ask God to intervene and stop the church's impending sale to the Roman Catholic Diocese of Orange.

Senior Pastor Sheila Schuller Coleman, the daughter of the church's founder, offered a prayer thanking God for "intentionally delaying" a miracle, and indicated that the bankrupt church would continue to pray and wait for God to reveal His final plans.

"Is a miracle delayed, denied?" Coleman asked repeatedly during the service, as congregants shouted "No!" from the pews.

"We have many reasons to believe that God's miracle will still come to pass," Coleman said, "and His glory will still shine all that much brighter."

On Thursday, a U.S. bankruptcy judge ruled that the Diocese of Orange would be able to purchase the 40-acre Crystal Cathedral campus for $57.5 million. In his decision, Bankruptcy Judge Robert Kwan in Santa Ana rejected a higher offer of $59 million from Chapman University in Orange, which was the other top contender for the Garden Grove property.

Under the diocese's plan, the ministry will be able to lease the core buildings – including the glass-walled sanctuary and its shimmering tower – for three years, at $100,000 a month during the first year and $150,000 for years two and three. They also will be able to lease back the Crystal Cathedral school building for $10,000 a month through summer 2013.

Church officials announced a day before Thursday's ruling that they were backing the diocese's offer, after previously saying on two different occasions that they would back Chapman's offer.

The bankruptcy process has strained already tense...........

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: crystalcathedral; megachurch; orangecounty; socal
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To: livius

Read that the cathedral in Oakland looks like the inside of a washer machine? Wow.


41 posted on 11/22/2011 3:15:54 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: livius

Is this the cathedral in question?

http://www.ctlcathedral.org/


42 posted on 11/22/2011 3:18:53 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow

Well this article should come as NO suprise:

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/inquiries-and-interviews/detail/articolo/architettura-architecture-arquitectura-10121/


43 posted on 11/22/2011 3:22:08 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Yes. Actually, it’s the cathedral in San Fran that looks like a washing machine agitator...but that was built a long time ago, back in the 1970s, which was a true low point for church architecture. And the SF cathedral was built because the old one burned down, not just to “make a statement.”


44 posted on 11/22/2011 8:19:38 AM PST by livius
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To: livius

Oh okay, did not know that, but then again, it does not suprise me that really weird church design would appear in San Fran as well.


45 posted on 11/22/2011 8:45:16 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: marshmallow; DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ..
YBPDLN PL Ping The YBPDLNPL is generally published infrequently, but based on the exploits of the megachurch pastors posts can spike for a period of time. If you would like on or off of this list please FReepmail me.
46 posted on 11/22/2011 8:55:45 AM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: Gamecock

They should have taken more love offerings for the Windex fund...


47 posted on 11/22/2011 9:59:54 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: Jmouse007
Excellent job “connecting the dots”. “pastor” Rick Warren is a neophite of Schuller and Peal. Warrenc just repackaged thier ungodly, Satanic shuck and jive for a new generation.

Not my work. I've read that elsewhere on the Interwebz.

It's not difficult to show the connections with a quick click through Wikipedia.

What we have here does not demonstrate necessarily "jedi-padawan" master & disciple relationships. What would be very interesting, if one had the time and money*, would be to do the research and find out exactly how much influence there really is. And, to take it back a generation further than Ernest Holmes, back to the New Thought and the Mind Science groups, and up from them to see what else is related.

How about this, from Wikipedia:

"The New Thought movement is a spiritually-focused or philosophical interpretation of New Thought beliefs. Started in the early 19th century, today the movement consists of a loosely allied group of religious denominations, secular membership organizations, authors, philosophers, and individuals who share a set of beliefs concerning metaphysics, positive thinking, the law of attraction, healing, life force, creative visualization, and personal power."

Sound familiar?

What happened, back in the U.S. northeast in the first half of the 19th century, that it was the fountainhead of so much weirdness?

*PhD-able material for somebody. To do so would require more tolerance for reading spiritual poison than I have.

48 posted on 11/22/2011 4:23:48 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You fool! Don't you know every Taurus purchased brings us closer to TEOTWAWKI?")
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To: nd76
an edifice constructed by a Calvinist (Robert Schuller is an ordained minister in the Reformed Church in America, one of the Dutch Calvinist sects).

RCA has Calvinist roots, but Schuller, theologically, is not a Calvinist.

49 posted on 11/22/2011 4:52:02 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Notary Sojac

You may not be a Christian but you seem to understand Christ’s message better than many self professing “Christians”......


50 posted on 11/22/2011 5:01:37 PM PST by Kimmers (Pray more and shoot straight.........)
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To: marshmallow

Seems to me these folk would be better served by praying for acceptance of Gods’s will, rather than pleading with God to save their church.


51 posted on 11/22/2011 5:03:57 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: PAR35

I’m not a Calvinist, but that is a fair statement.


52 posted on 11/22/2011 5:22:11 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Biggirl; livius
St. Mary of the Assumption, San Francisco. Kind of odd looking from the outside:

But IMO somewhat cool on the inside:

Besides, they have schola cantorum that sings Gregorian chant, so they get a + for that in my book. :-0

53 posted on 11/23/2011 5:45:10 AM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Campion

Wow! At least they do chant!

But the outside does look like a washer machine agitator though. Otherwise beautiful on the inside.


54 posted on 11/23/2011 6:29:25 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: livius

I thought that this purchase was very questionable until I saw what other diocese are investing in new cathedrals. The Diocese of Raleigh is planning to spend 75-90 million on a 2000 seat cathedral. Los Angeles spent 250 million on their 3000 seat cathedral.


55 posted on 11/23/2011 11:30:48 AM PST by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: Campion
St. Mary of the Assumption, San Francisco. Kind of odd looking from the outside:

Looks like a fast food place.

56 posted on 11/23/2011 2:18:29 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You fool! Don't you know every Taurus purchased brings us closer to TEOTWAWKI?")
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