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Will Catholic Mass Changes Cause Mass Confusion?
Washington Post ^ | November 24, 2011 | Elizabeth Tenety

Posted on 11/24/2011 8:32:12 AM PST by Steelfish

11/23/2011 Will Catholic Mass Changes Cause Mass Confusion? Elizabeth Tenety

The Catholic Church, its religious authorities often remind its followers, is intentionally slow to change, if it ever changes at all. The ritual of Communion, where the priest consecrates the bread and wine for distribution to the faithful, for example, has been observed in similar fashion for thousands of years.

But this weekend, millions of English-speaking Catholics will experience some of the most profound change in their lifetime when the words of the Catholic liturgy are phased out in favor of a new translation.

As Michelle Boorstein reported this month, a summer survey showed that most Catholics were then unaware of the upcoming changes. In recent weeks, say church officials, priests and parishes have been preparing Catholics through instruction at religious services, direct mailings and communication campaigns.

The overhaul has been in the works for a decade, and “is aimed at unifying the more than 1 billion Catholics worldwide with a translation that is as close as possible to the original Latin version.” In some cases, the new language will more literally reflect the Scripture passages on which liturgical prayers were based.

One example of that shift is in a line familiar to Catholics at the height of the Mass, just before Communion. “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed,” Catholics have said for decades. This weekend, those words change to, “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.” This new translation borrows from a story in the Gospel of Matthew in which Jesus entered a man’s home and healed his servant.

If you’re attending Mass this weekend, here’s what you need to know:

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1 posted on 11/24/2011 8:32:14 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

We need to put respect back into the Catholic church. This shaking hands, guitars etc...is making it a junk religion.


2 posted on 11/24/2011 8:34:27 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Steelfish

Not a problem!

Changes are small and will be available for parishioners to follow along.

It WILL require that you PAY ATTENTION and not just go from memory.

I like that MEANING is restored, in favor of the watered down “ecumenical” verbiage.


3 posted on 11/24/2011 8:36:55 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Sacajaweau
bingo... back to the Latin Mass for starters
4 posted on 11/24/2011 8:38:51 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Sacajaweau

Agree 100%. As usual this rot began in American liberal parishes.


5 posted on 11/24/2011 8:39:05 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

we’ve got chear sheets in our pews - and I need them.


6 posted on 11/24/2011 8:39:12 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Steelfish; Sacajaweau

The “changes”(just a slightly different translation, not real changes) are virtually minuscule, for either the priest or the people. However, the “Spirit of VII” folks staked their whole program on being able to hollow out and destroy the Mass, which they could only do if they had total control over the text...and during a while, the “local option” put in by the USCCB gave them the ability to say and do virtually anything they wanted.

What is really freaking them out is that Rome is taking charge of the liturgy again. This translation is meant to be followed and used, and they’re beginning to realize that the fun is over for them and they didn’t win.


7 posted on 11/24/2011 8:39:31 AM PST by livius
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To: Puddleglum

“chear” = “cheat”


8 posted on 11/24/2011 8:39:44 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: G Larry

When Guttenberg and his printing press came around, there was great fear about interpreting the bible. Everyone is still guessing to a certain point.


9 posted on 11/24/2011 8:40:52 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Steelfish

If they would only get rid of taking the Eucharist by hand, I would be very happy.


10 posted on 11/24/2011 8:41:20 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Steelfish

We are actually going to a BETTER, TRUER translation of the changes after Vatican II. I welcome the change - disappointed that our pastor hasn’t mentioned much beyond the bulletin inserts. We do have new Mass books in the pews- in addition to the book for the new liturgical year. I do think many in our congregation will make the effort to follow the Mass book.


11 posted on 11/24/2011 8:41:50 AM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: Sacajaweau
We need to put respect back into the Catholic church. This shaking hands, guitars etc...is making it a junk religion.

Agree, 1000 percent...And the disrespect to our Lord before Mass has got to end—STOP THE TALKING AND KNEEL BEFORE THE LORD BEFORE YOU GO INTO THE PEW!!!!!!!! Recognize God's presence before you start talking among yourselves—so disgusting.

12 posted on 11/24/2011 8:42:02 AM PST by notaliberal
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To: Steelfish

Simply this is a homecoming for the English-speaking Roman Catholics this weekend back to its spiritual roots, which includes its Biblical.


13 posted on 11/24/2011 8:42:55 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Steelfish

I saw my wonderful parish, Corpus Christi in Rochester, NY, totally ruined thanks to gays and “supposed” female priests.


14 posted on 11/24/2011 8:43:18 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: All
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.: - Matthew 6:7


He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. - Mark 6:7-9
15 posted on 11/24/2011 8:44:05 AM PST by TSgt ("Romney" means "rino cult" in Kenyan)
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To: Sacajaweau
This shaking hands, guitars etc...is making it a junk religion.
Came back from VN in '68 and my first Mass back home was a "folk Mass."
Beginning of the end for me.
16 posted on 11/24/2011 8:45:00 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Steelfish
The Catholic Church, its religious authorities often remind its followers, is intentionally slow to change, if it ever changes at all.

which makes the "stuff" (exercising religion forum forbearance) shoved down the throats of the faithful 40-odd years ago all the more outrageous and inauthentic.

17 posted on 11/24/2011 8:45:07 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Steelfish

Vatican II was held in America ?


18 posted on 11/24/2011 8:45:20 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Steelfish
What was wrong with the words Jesus said to his disciples?

Catholics. Sheesh.

19 posted on 11/24/2011 8:46:21 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: UB355
Vatican II was held in America ?

The interpretation of Vatican II in America coincided with the hippie peace love dope generation. The Vatican was remiss in its oversight of heretical bishops - much like what happened in the East in the first millennium.

20 posted on 11/24/2011 8:49:41 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Sacajaweau

I have stated the same thing many times before. It takes away the awe and mystery and respect.

I was watching the history of music the other day and the plain chant from the middle ages was so much better than some of the goofy stuff we do now.


21 posted on 11/24/2011 8:51:06 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: Sacajaweau
I saw my wonderful parish, Corpus Christi in Rochester, NY, totally ruined thanks to gays and “supposed” female priests.

The blame for this, and all of the heresies in Rochester, rests with your bishop, who allowed them and, I believe, secretly encouraged them.

22 posted on 11/24/2011 8:51:57 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: TSgt

Well, it only took 15 posts.


23 posted on 11/24/2011 8:52:59 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Steelfish

I am truly looking forward to this. While I prefer the Traditional Latin Mass, the Novus Ordo needs more reverence. We’re there to praise God, and the language, as the modernists understand, matters greatly. The third translation is vastly superior. If complaints arise, there’s always the original: Latin. And really, while not completely perfect, this is a much more faithful translation. The complaints I’ve seen amount to either, we’re used to the other, or the people won’t understand. Bah. Granted, none of us are perfect, but give people some credit. They’ll be fine in a bit, and also, in a better place. The time for complaining and waffling is past, period.


24 posted on 11/24/2011 8:53:27 AM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: TSgt

Sorry to be thick, but I don’t follow you.

Could you be more direct in what you’re trying to say?


25 posted on 11/24/2011 8:54:11 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: sayuncledave

I forgot one bit I’ve recently heard: these changes place the english translation in line with the other vernacular translations, where we’ve previously lagged severely. So if anything, this is truly long overdue.


26 posted on 11/24/2011 8:55:03 AM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: Texas Eagle
What was wrong with the words Jesus said to his disciples? Catholics. Sheesh.

As opposed to some Protestant services where everyone waves their arms in the air and sways back and forth to some cheesy songs. It's like being at a Journey concert with Ned Flanders singing "Open Arms."

27 posted on 11/24/2011 8:55:48 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Puddleglum

The Pope never distributes the Eucharist on hand. All parishes need to follow this example.


28 posted on 11/24/2011 8:55:48 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: jtal; TSgt
Sorry to be thick, but I don’t follow you. Could you be more direct in what you’re trying to say?

He's calling us hypocrites.

29 posted on 11/24/2011 8:58:24 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Steelfish

Oh, nonsense. The changes aren’t going to send people into hysterics. It’s just not that big a deal. The WaPo is dramatizing again.


30 posted on 11/24/2011 8:58:27 AM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: TSgt

The Mass according to St. John Newman, is the “Perfect Prayer” and so like the Lord’s Prayer it’s not be tampered with. This return to originality was long in coming. This is not about some mere ritual. It is the unbloodied but real re-enactment of the Last Supper, Crucifixtion, and Resurrection. A practice that predates the Bible and traced to His disciples.


31 posted on 11/24/2011 9:00:41 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: UB355

Vatican II was misapplied in America.


32 posted on 11/24/2011 9:01:47 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: TSgt

Great, you looked at Matthew 6:7. Now look at Matthew 26:44. Ask yourself, how Jesus didn’t violate Matthew 6:7 in 26:44. When you have the correct answer get back to us.


33 posted on 11/24/2011 9:02:44 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: buccaneer81; TSgt

I figured as much but I don’t even follow the argument. How does the citation of the changes in translation advance the point?


34 posted on 11/24/2011 9:04:28 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Sacajaweau

I’m with you 100% on this one.


35 posted on 11/24/2011 9:05:42 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: buccaneer81
As opposed to some Protestant services where everyone waves their arms in the air and sways back and forth to some cheesy songs. It's like being at a Journey concert with Ned Flanders singing "Open Arms."

Amen, bro.

Whatever happened to just good old fashioned hymns and preaching what Jesus said? Why do we have to make everything so complicated?

36 posted on 11/24/2011 9:08:11 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: RebelTXRose

Some of this language is more in line with the Byzantine Rite Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom.


37 posted on 11/24/2011 9:13:57 AM PST by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: jtal; TSgt

He’s one of our most prolific Catholic-bashers. No logic required.


38 posted on 11/24/2011 9:15:13 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: RebelTXRose

Right after the special parish mass for Thanksgiving Day, a number of parishoners, with my parish pastor put in the laminated hand boards for the new English mass wording changes himself as well. Showed the front cover of the new misselettes showing what looked liked an icon of Jesus as teacher. He said as both student and teacher. :)

To me, I DO look forward to the new English wording changes. I just hope my parish, despite brief presentations in the weekly buletins are prepared as well. There may be some rebellous holdouts, but in time I do hope there will be peace and acceptance of the much better wording changes.


39 posted on 11/24/2011 9:15:51 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Steelfish

This is a load of horse manure. None of these guys complained when they hijacked the Mass, hauled away the stone gothic altars and stuck in wooden tables, painted over all the statues and frescoes on the walls, threw away the altar rails, and mistranslated the Latin.

Move just a small way back toward santity, however, and the libs all start screaming and yelling.

They already delayed these changes mandated by the Vatican for more than a year, while they clung to their false translations.

They will have the new translations printed up, or at least our parish does. All you have to do is pick it up and read the responses from it, as you do with the hymnal. And if you’ve been around for a while, you’ll recognize the old, original translations before they deliberately screwed everything up. It’s still the Novus Ordo Mass, but now properly translated.


40 posted on 11/24/2011 9:16:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TSgt
"and with your spirit"

"et cum spiritu tuo"

That is how it used to be said, just in Latin.

41 posted on 11/24/2011 9:21:22 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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42 posted on 11/24/2011 9:25:27 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: TSgt

I see that proper worship of God is beyond some. Nice interjection. I have some kittens that you can stomp on.


43 posted on 11/24/2011 9:36:14 AM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Steelfish

I like the changes.

The new Mass will be Kewl.


44 posted on 11/24/2011 9:38:18 AM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: buccaneer81

I currently attend a Catholic Church with my wife ( she`s Catholic, I am not ). I have been walking into Mass with her for over three years now.

I very much miss my Journey concerts with Ned Flanders singing.... I still attend a few “concerts” a year.

From what I can tell, all those hand wavers have no less of Jesus in their hearts than any one of those Catholic parisioners I see most Sundays.


45 posted on 11/24/2011 9:41:55 AM PST by Bud Krieger (Another President , another idiot......)
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To: Cicero

Could not have said it better!


46 posted on 11/24/2011 9:45:05 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
Washington Post spreading lies.

Who would have thunk it?

47 posted on 11/24/2011 9:46:23 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: Bud Krieger

If it works for you, great. It just leaves me cold and uninspired.


48 posted on 11/24/2011 9:49:28 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Bud Krieger

St. Charles Borromeo in his youth allowed himself no other amusement but that of grave music, with a view to that of the Church.

“As to music as an amusement, too much time must never be given to it; and extreme care ought to be taken, as a judicious and experienced tutor observes, that children be not set to learn it very young, because it is a thing which bewitches the senses, dissipates the mind exceedingly, and alienates it from serious studies, as daily experience shows. Soft and effeminate music is to be always shunned with abhorrence, as the corrupter of the heart and the poison of virtue.”


49 posted on 11/24/2011 9:52:05 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Sacajaweau

I keep a linen hanky in my purse and every Mass I hold it in my right hand when we get to the hand shaking and motion I have a cold so that scares anyone who wants to shake my hand. It has also cut down on the number of colds I’ve had.


50 posted on 11/24/2011 9:57:27 AM PST by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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