Posted on 11/25/2011 6:55:10 AM PST by marshmallow
Tens of thousands wait for hours in freezing temperatures to kiss belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother
MOSCOW — Braving freezing cold temperatures and ice-covered sidewalks, tens of thousands of Russians stood in line Wednesday to see and kiss a newly arrived relic of the Virgin Mary in Russia's largest Orthodox cathedral.
The Virgin Mary's Cincture, a belt that Christians believe was worn by Jesus' mother, was brought to Russia last month from Mount Athos, a monastic community in Greece.
Kissing the relic, which is encased in an ornamental box, is believed to help barren women conceive and heal other ailments.
The line of people, mostly women, waiting to enter the golden-domed Christ the Savior Cathedral stretched for 2.5 miles (4 kilometers) along the Moscow River despite temperatures that dropped to below minus 5 Celsius (23 Fahrenheit).
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I won’t play “20 questions” with you, narses. If you REALLY want to know, look at my comment in post #412.
Dodge, duck, deflect. The protestant way.
Sounds like a waste of time to me.
Jesus WANTS us to come to Him. What's with this concept that we have to beg for His favor?
Why would someone need someone else to put in a good word for us?
Or are you going to argue that as well; that my interpretation of Scripture is not correct and that I'm cherry picking verses out of context?
Luke 19:10 For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."
Matthew 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!
John 7:37 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.
Go ahead, tell me that He needs someone to put in a good word for us because otherwise He wouldn't take us......
Dodge, duck, deflect. The protestant way.
What, we need SPONSORS to get into heaven?
I am not interested in your amateur exegesis.
Are you a part of a Church, visible or invisible? If so, when did it begin?
Sorry, when you dispense with jesus’s ministry all you’re left with is, in your case, 19th Century Dispensationalism™. It still aint goin nowhere. Try it on the unchurched; I think you’ll have more luck.
Save yourself some time and get back into the CCC. That way, you'll have no need to question me, I won't be there.
The Church began on the Day of Pentecost. This is what Christians of all traditions believe.
When did your church begin?
Why do you want me in the Civilian Conservation Corps? My Daddy had a good stint with it, but I believe it’s disbanded.
Actually -- no. It's an AWFUL plan. Why pray to Mary to have her pray to Christ FOR you when YOU (if you're saved) have DIRECT access to God Almighty though Christ's shed blood!?
It's an unnecessary and unbiblical step that NO ONE need do! I can pray for you if you'd like (as we're instructed to do), but Mary can't... we're taught to pray to God only -- no one or no thing else.
Unless Mary is omniscient and omnipresent, she can't hear you. And only God is omniscient and omnipresent... and omnipotent.
So.... if you're praying to her, you're worshipping her because you're treating her as only God should be treated. And doing anything like that is covered by the commandment against idols.
Hoss
"Night of the Living Bread" comes to mind. "..must..have..flesh..must have...blood..where..is nearest...Mass..."
What “church” encourages its members to speak such vileness as that?
When did that church begin?
Ah. traditions again. Never mind what the word of God PLAINLY STATES.
****The Nt church was not the Roman catholic church****
Well, you are half right, again.
the NT church began in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost which grew based upon the foundation Christ laid with His Apostles. The Catholic Church is indeed the same one seen in the NT, but is now a great bush which grew from the mustard seed of the faith of the twelve and other disciples.
****That NT church had no mass,****
Not even half right on that one. Mass is simply the word for sent, or mission from the Latin word missio, which is what Jesus gave to the Apostles.
Paul in 1 Corinthians might beg to differ.
17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 20When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. 21For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. 22What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come.
27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. 34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
*****but that claim lays completely on the non biblical role of pope and the non biblical practice of apostolic succession ... not on the actual historic record presented in the NT****
Opinion based on the interpretations of fallible men not led by the Holy Spirit.
The NT contains the origins of the Church’s history but not the entirety of it. Good try though.
****Where were they before the day of Pentecost?****
Hiding and praying in the Upper Room waiting for the Paraclete to come, which Jesus promised them.
The members were the Twelve, Mary, the mother of Jesus and the other disciples.
Oh please with your puffed up pious attitude. I’ll tell you what’s VILE: a religious organization built on deceit, lies, paganism, another Jesus, another gospel, another spirit, another way to heaven beside the finished work of Christ, works for salvation, the deplorable performance of “changing” wafers and wine into the body and blood of our Saviour. Who prays to saints for intercession, who prays to Mary for graces, who believe that she was sinless, who pray to the dead, for the dead, and believe that a man can retain or remit their sins. THAT’S VILE. And THAT church began in the Garden of Eden. And will end as Rev.17 and 18 say.
All Christians are right now in the same period of grace. No distinction between Jew and Gentile until after the rapture of the body of Christ.
Why does Jesus say what He says about eating His flesh and drinking His blood?
Jesus also said He was the “bread of life” that didn’t make Him literal bread. He also said there would be “rivers of water” flowing from our bellies. He told us to eat the word and if we drank of Him we would never thirst. If you are thinking spiritually you will understand that.
God chose a young girl to bear His son. He could have just raised up a body for Himself, but He did not did He?
Prophecy and legal human genetic heritage.
Jesus chose 12 Apostles to carry His gospel to the world. He could have just appeared to all the world as He promises to do when He comes again, but He did not did He?
Equals the 12 tribes of Israel and will rule over the twelve tribes.
Did metmom add to Scripture when she said that Moses; soul went to heaven and God gave him a new body to return to earth?
Nope, just made a conjecture that scripture does not clearly state.
The real question is why does Jesus change Simon’s name to rock? Why does Jesus call Simon rock if the rock Jesus meant is that of Himself or of Peter’s faith?
God renamed people to give them a new purpose or identity. Peter was to be a steady influence and a firm source of the gospel to the Jewish people. Yet Jesus called him Simon at times after that to remind him that he wasn’t living up to his new responsibilities.
What will we stand in judgement for when we stand before Jesus?
Depends on which judgment you are talking about. The white throne judgment or the bema seat judgment? And, why will we be judged then, if we have already attained eternal life through our faith?
All saved people will be “judged” on what they have done for Christ and some will get more rewards than those who didn’t do all they could for Christ.
And, what does Jesus mean here? King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5:29 Good is believing on the Lord Jesus as the only source of salvation. Evil is to remain in sin and not have the blood of Jesus cleans us of all sin. Good is keeping God as the only true God, Evil is to put something else before God in our desires.
If we are to be judged “one day” by God, the day of our death or the day of the Lord, for what will we be judged? If we have been once and for always saved by our faith in Jesus, why will we face judgment either upon our death or when the Lord returns?
Answered that above.
By what authority do you claim to determine the only relevant truth that God wishes us to have?
“they searched the scriptures daily to see if these things were true.
Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard......encompasses my thoughts on it. We cannot imagine what is in store for us in heaven, how could we determine what saints are capable of while in the presence of God?
We can only use scripture as a guide which tells us that contact with those who have left this earth is an abomination.
Remember that when Jesus died, the dead rose from their graves. Where did they go?
First they appeared around Jerusalem then were taken to heaven.
My questions to you, along with Dr Ironsides' destruction of your beliefs, from Scripture, have been for one purpose. That is to show, yet again that sola scriptura produces utter confusion, of which God is not the Author.
Posted before adding that Scripture says that 3,000 were added to THEIR numbers, not the church’s. Other translations simply say to them or unto them. No where is there does it say added to the church.
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