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Tebow’s Religion, and Ours
National Review Online ^ | December 3, 2011 | Daniel Foster

Posted on 12/05/2011 3:32:27 PM PST by wmfights

When the Detroit Lions’ Stephen Tulloch sacked Tim Tebow in the first quarter of their week eight matchup, the linebacker immediately kneeled next to the prone Denver quarterback, in a mockery of Tebow’s habit of praying on-field, most recently seen after his miraculous fourth-quarter comeback against the Dolphins the week before.

The insult coincided with and reinforced the explosion of “Tebowing” as an Internet meme, complete with a Twitter account and web-site. There you can see an act of communion with one’s creator rendered as a bit of pop-cultural ephemera, and you can scroll through pictures of folks striking the pose everywhere from Oxford to Istanbul, with that muddle of irony and enthusiasm that has become my generation’s trademark.

But there isn’t an ironic bone in Tim Tebow’s body. That’s what makes him conspicuous. That’s what makes the fact that he’s managed to stay squeaky clean, in a sport that notoriously is not, conspicuous. And it’s why the power of Tebow’s evangelical-Christian faith, and the earnestness with which he professes it, seems to annoy so many people.

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TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: evangelism; righteous; tebow; timtebow
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Tebow is the last Boy Scout. A leader on the field and off who spent his college years not indulging in any of the worldly pleasures afforded to Heisman Trophy winners, but doing missionary work in Thailand; helping overworked doctors perform circumcisions in the Philippines (you read that right); and preaching at schools, churches, and even prisons. This is a young man with such a strong work ethic that, according to teammates, he can’t even be coaxed into hitting the town on a night after a Broncos win, because he is too busy preparing for the next week’s game. This is a young man who even turned the other cheek at Stephen Tulloch’s Tebowing, saying, “He was probably just having fun and was excited he made a good play and had a sack. And good for him.”

That’s way too much earnestness for the ironic. It’s way too much idealism for the cynical. And it’s way too much selflessness for the self-absorbed. In short, people aren’t upset at Tebow’s God talk. They’re upset that he might actually believe it.


1 posted on 12/05/2011 3:32:36 PM PST by wmfights
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To: Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...
Ping

I thought it might be interesting to look at how our culture reacts to someone of enthusiastic faith. Anyone turned off by his non stop love for giving all credit to Jesus Christ?

2 posted on 12/05/2011 3:35:55 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights
In short, people aren’t upset at Tebow’s God talk. They’re upset that he might actually believe it.

Take it one step further, unabashedly, publically and unapologetically displays it.

3 posted on 12/05/2011 3:42:20 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: wmfights

No but if he said Allah Ackbar after his TD or when he wins a game they would be fine with it.Screw the secularist.And haters will always hate good people and god loving people. Gooo Tebow.


4 posted on 12/05/2011 3:43:20 PM PST by crazydad
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To: wmfights

Notice the Detroit Lions have gone into the crapper since they mocked Tebow?


5 posted on 12/05/2011 3:46:07 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: wmfights
Thanks for the ping, wmfights.

We live in a world that is at enmity with God and that is under control of Satan.

It is surprising when things like this don't happen. Everyone who mocks Christ and those who know Him and love Him and follow Him need to enjoy themselves in their fun because the day is coming soon when they will be kneeling before Christ Himself and they won't be laughing.

6 posted on 12/05/2011 3:46:21 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: MuttTheHoople

As a long-time Lions fan, and also after Suh’s thuggish behavior, I have decided to root for the Broncos exclusively for the rest of the season.


7 posted on 12/05/2011 3:50:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Does anyone know how my 24 year old Christian daughter can meet Tim Tebow?


8 posted on 12/05/2011 3:54:53 PM PST by princess leah
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To: MuttTheHoople; crazydad
Notice the Detroit Lions have gone into the crapper since they mocked Tebow?

I have, but I think that's because they play like a bunch of thugs.

9 posted on 12/05/2011 4:04:37 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights

I always thought that Tebow was a Catholic because his mother chose not to abort him.

Evidently that is not the case.


10 posted on 12/05/2011 4:06:47 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: wmfights
athletes’ professions of faith strike most believers, nonbelievers, and agnostics alike as empty ritual, an extended solipsism in which big men with bigger egos congratulate themselves for having God on their side. How could it be otherwise? We see that in fact so many of them are supremely arrogant — materialists, abusers, and lechers.

No, Mr. Teebow certainly isn't one of those, surely he is sincere in his professions of faith.

However, given that football, along with all professional sports, are the closest thing we have to a national religion...with utterly fanatical devotees, engaged in real idolatry (which is why the teams have so much money to pay their players--and everyone else associated with them), for something that is really no more than athletic entertainment...I still feel an ambiguity for players' exhibitions of faith.

If Sunday is the Lord's Day--which the keeping of it is (still) one of the 10 Commandments (and up 100 years ago, nearly no serious Christian would violate...see "Chariots of Fire" anyone?), and something all professional and college athletes routinely violate....I just cannot see what all the fuss is about.

Teebow surely has a strong, real, faith.

He does, however--via participation in that profession--encourage idolatry, time wasting, and Sabbath breaking.

Doesn't sound that devout to me.

11 posted on 12/05/2011 4:07:38 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: wmfights
I thought it might be interesting to look at how our culture reacts to someone of enthusiastic faith. Anyone turned off by his non stop love for giving all credit to Jesus Christ?

NOTHING angers people more than being SHOWN how frivolous, shallow and empty are their lives without Jesus. THAT is the main reason why Hollywood detests, loathes, deplores and abhors Jesus and Christianity.
That is why all the films that mock Jesus and Christians are made so often there. That is why Mel Gibson was excoriated for making The Passion of Christ. How DARE Gibson make such a movie? I watched it twice and wept through most of it. I can't watch it anymore!

NOTHING is more annoying to them to see the Suffering Jesus. How DARE anyone show those vapid souls The Way, The Truth and The Life?

Seeing the Christian athlete, especially if he's a vanilla, clean-cut guy AND good, is pure fodder for the souls who DON'T want any part of Our Lord.

My opinion.

12 posted on 12/05/2011 4:08:28 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: wmfights
Ok W,fights...I'll bite on this a bit....

There was a time when our nation on a whole attended church every Sunday...prayed before school classes...even some businesses began the day with God. Our money bears his name as a nation under God (christian God...and sports events also began as so. And Governing offices committed our nation to Him. It was normal and acceptable since all knew this country was founded as a nation believing in the Christianity...and the God we serve. We even set aside a day to worship our God.

So what's happened? We don't do this now...and if we try we are fought by the enemy of men's souls using men to destroy the faith of this country...and transferring that faith to things which it ought not. We celebrate other nations holidays here...everyone coming here wants a piece of the pie and the freedom to promote their culture and their religion or ideology.

I don't think that's what God intended for this nation....throughout scripture God draws distinctions....He loves them and so do I....all flowers are not the same but they are all flowers...all trees despite their differences remain trees....and all citizens of this country regardless of their differences should remain or become AMERICANS in the nation under our God of whom they have come to.....and that without Hyphens. But that is no longer happening as mentioned.

Now we have muslims in our streets bowing before an imaginary God of their own creation.....we have environ-weenies bowing down to their mother Goya or whatever their mind wants to conceive.....we have fruit case false beliefs on a rampage with nothing to do about but to destroy the faith of this country....the hoards have invaded us just as they did Europe...but that did not happen until Europe ceased to Honor God. The same goes for us.

So with that in mind, under normal conditions of which we've known...the guy should likely not make such an ado at a sports event...it wouldn't be necessary....but in todays world I have to say go for it! It's about time Christians made it known this is the country we were given...and a country God built up...and we are proud to bow before Him....

and least any be mistaken about who our God is....we celebrate His coming this Christmas, we celebrate His Resurrection..and we will celebrate His coming again... His name is Jesus,.. the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, ..our Almighty God,.. The First and the Last,... the Prince of Peace,.. The Great I Am, ..He is Emmanuel God AMONG us,.. the Great Shepherd of the Sheep,.. the Light of the World, The LORD OF GLORY.. and we lift our hearts and declare..’THE KING IS COMING!

So yes...bow Tebow.....and bow again.. before those who would make a mockery of our country and our God...and let the chips fall where they may...let it be known we serve the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!

13 posted on 12/05/2011 4:08:39 PM PST by caww
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To: wmfights

Tebow’s critics have always maintained that he couldn’t be an NFL quarterback due to being inaccurate, having poor mechanics, not having enough talent, etc.

In many ways, they’re right, but that’s the beauty of Tebow.

The way he’s been winning these games in tight situations without much talent makes it seem as if he is winning only by the grace of God. And he may be.

If so, it’s a great way to show the power of God and faith to a national audience.


14 posted on 12/05/2011 4:10:09 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: MuttTheHoople
Notice the Detroit Lions have gone into the crapper since they mocked Tebow?

It warms, I say, it warms the cockels of mah heart. (Foghorn Leghorn)

15 posted on 12/05/2011 4:10:53 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
We live in a world that is at enmity with God and that is under control of Satan.

You are so right!

Everyone who mocks Christ and those who know Him and love Him and follow Him need to enjoy themselves in their fun because the day is coming soon when they will be kneeling before Christ Himself and they won't be laughing.

Maybe the peer pressure to ridicule Tebow and discredit Christians in general is a way to avoid confronting the bigger questions. Is there a God? Is there a Heaven and Hell? If so where am I headed?

One thing I love about Tebow's witness is he makes it very hard for you not to think about where you fit in.

16 posted on 12/05/2011 4:11:07 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: MuttTheHoople
Notice the Detroit Lions have gone into the crapper since they mocked Tebow?

It warms, I say, it warms the cockels of mah heart. (Foghorn Leghorn)

17 posted on 12/05/2011 4:11:20 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation

His specific denomination is not mentioned much, but I am pretty sure that I have read that he is Southern Baptist.


18 posted on 12/05/2011 4:11:59 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon
ebow’s critics have always maintained that he couldn’t be an NFL quarterback due to being inaccurate, having poor mechanics, not having enough talent, etc. In many ways, they’re right, but that’s the beauty of Tebow.
The way he’s been winning these games in tight situations without much talent makes it seem as if he is winning only by the grace of God. And he may be.
If so, it’s a great way to show the power of God and faith to a national audience.

Reminds me of Joe Montana. His throw, his body...nothing that could predict his ability to win games. He seemed to have always won them in the 4th quarter.

19 posted on 12/05/2011 4:13:58 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Salvation
I always thought that Tebow was a Catholic because his mother chose not to abort him.

You know that's just ignorant. If you look at voting patterns you will find the strongest most consistent Pro-Life group in this country is Evangelical Christians. Your church has been a supporter of the Pro-Life movement, but only about 50-55% of your members vote that way.

20 posted on 12/05/2011 4:17:57 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: AnalogReigns
You obviously do a lot of hyperventilating and little actual study. Sunday is NOT the Sabbath and has nothing to do with the law. The Sabbath is on Saturday and was part of the special law given to the Israeli's. The only reference in the Bible (Rev 1:10) does not specify a Sunday or any particular day, since ALL of our days are the Lord's.

I do not like Sunday football, and do not watch it. But his playing on that day does not make or break Tebow’s Christianity. Maybe it is time for the world to see how a real Christian can play a game and NOT serve Satan in it.

21 posted on 12/05/2011 4:18:33 PM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

And I hope they lose the rest of their games. That Lions player was mocking more than Tim Tebow.


22 posted on 12/05/2011 4:19:39 PM PST by st.eqed
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
We live in a world that is at enmity with God and that is under control of Satan.

God is under control of our world. Satan is under His control too. We DO live in a world that is OFTEN at enmity with God, but ... there are 1 billion Catholics and 1 billion Christians. From a world where there were ZERO Christians...I'd say that Our Lord has things well under control.

Satan knows that his days are numbered. At the end of the world he will be cast down permanently to hell and he knows that. To God 1000 days is like one and vice versa. To me 1000 days is FOREVER, but there ya go.

I DO what you are saying, though, and I'm not arguing. I happen to feel optimistic today. And...I know that God will win. He created Satan and He can destroy him. He who creates, controls.

23 posted on 12/05/2011 4:21:15 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: WPaCon

I love him and admire him for sticking to his faith, whatever his denomination. Maybe God has decided to help him out a little bit.

He is making his critics look like fools. How sweet it is. !!!


24 posted on 12/05/2011 4:23:23 PM PST by nolib1776
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To: AnalogReigns
Doesn't sound that devout to me.

Thank you for a thoughtful reply.

I'm sure you're familiar with when Jesus was accused of being possessed by the Devil for performing miracles on the Lord's Day.

There is no question that the devout can be very much in the background, but I don't believe someone being very public necessarily indicates a lack of true faith.

25 posted on 12/05/2011 4:24:34 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: Salvation

I met his Mom last year in Jacksonville last year... Met someone who shared the Tebow name who was working toward being a dishwasher... Err Deacon in thier parish.

Not Catholic... But I sure wish Phillip Rivers played the game and spoke evangelized like Tim.


26 posted on 12/05/2011 4:26:00 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Salvation

I met his Mom last year in Jacksonville last year... Met someone who shared the Tebow name who was working toward being a dishwasher... Err Deacon in thier parish.

Not Catholic... But I sure wish Phillip Rivers played the game and evangelized like Tim.


27 posted on 12/05/2011 4:26:57 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: AnalogReigns
.I just cannot see what all the fuss is about.

If you don't mind saying....what is your religion?

28 posted on 12/05/2011 4:28:18 PM PST by Osage Orange (HE HATE ME)
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To: cloudmountain
NOTHING angers people more than being SHOWN how frivolous, shallow and empty are their lives without Jesus. THAT is the main reason why Hollywood detests, loathes, deplores and abhors Jesus and Christianity.

Amen!

One thing I've noticed with Tebow is how he handles criticism from his coaches and mgmt. He supports their opinions and works harder to improve. I've always loved his Christian witness, but didn't think he would make it in the NFL as a QB. Now I think he might do very well. He's making steady progress as a player.

29 posted on 12/05/2011 4:30:08 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights

The smell of death to those who are perishing


30 posted on 12/05/2011 4:31:12 PM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: wmfights
And how many millions see Tebow's obvious love and devotion for Jesus Christ on Sundays and become curious about this Person that Tebow loves so much? How many people watch Tim Tebow on Sundays and want to know the same God that Tim Tebow knows?

God knows exactly what He is doing when He works out His will in our lives - and we see God's glory every Sunday in Tim Tebow.

31 posted on 12/05/2011 4:32:53 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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To: caww
So with that in mind, under normal conditions of which we've known...the guy should likely not make such an ado at a sports event...it wouldn't be necessary....but in todays world I have to say go for it! It's about time Christians made it known this is the country we were given...and a country God built up...and we are proud to bow before Him....

This is a really interesting point. We notice Tebow and his non stop profession of faith because we have moved so far from our Christianity.

32 posted on 12/05/2011 4:35:05 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights

Without doubt, there are paparazzi out there looking to find Tebow doing something, anything, so they can point to him and say “SEE! He isn’t so great!”


33 posted on 12/05/2011 4:36:44 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: WPaCon
Tebow’s critics have always maintained that he couldn’t be an NFL quarterback due to being inaccurate, having poor mechanics, not having enough talent, etc.

I've thought that, but he seems to be improving as he plays more games and he seems to be very receptive to hearing what his faults are.

I think he really witnesses his faith in how he responds to those that mock his praying. He seems to truly love his enemies.

34 posted on 12/05/2011 4:39:30 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: st.eqed; MuttTheHoople
That Lions player was mocking more than Tim Tebow.

Hopefully there is a Christian in that clubhouse that can explain it to him.

35 posted on 12/05/2011 4:44:59 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: tx_eggman
The smell of death to those who are perishing

Amen.

It does not speak well of us as a "Christian nation" that the enthusiastic Christian is mocked and the one mocking the Christian does not receive rebuke, but is instead imitated and his act becomes part of the lexicon of the culture.

36 posted on 12/05/2011 4:51:10 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: AnalogReigns

Is Sunday the Sabbath?


37 posted on 12/05/2011 4:52:26 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: AnalogReigns
He does, however--via participation in that profession--encourage idolatry, time wasting, and Sabbath breaking.

Let me get this straight, because he is engaged in a profession that requires him to work on Sunday he is encouraging idolatry, wasting his time and breaking the Sabbath? So I suppose that all those people working in hospitals, fire stations, restaurants, etc, etc are doing the same? Oh I wish we could all be as holy as thou.

38 posted on 12/05/2011 4:56:20 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
And how many millions see Tebow's obvious love and devotion for Jesus Christ on Sundays and become curious about this Person that Tebow loves so much?

I'm with you!

He is so in everyone's face about his faith he forces people to think. I'm sure there are a lot of people who initially are turned off, but I believe some get convicted by the Holy Spirit and think twice about what they are criticizing.

My wife once commented to me how she was turned off by a street preacher standing on a corner with a bullhorn. She thought it wasn't very dignified. We talked about it. My point to her was you don't know how many walk by that Preacher and they hear The Gospel for the first time. I think Tebow's exuberance in expressing his faith is a little like that. What's really exciting is the more you learn about him the more you see he lives his faith.

39 posted on 12/05/2011 4:58:59 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: wmfights

I wish people would just stop cracking on this guy. He has a love of God and he shows it, so? Does that make men on a field and in sports uncomfortable? Maybe they should re-evaluate their own lives. I just can’t get over the mocking of this kid. Their jealousy is apparent. Listen, when he played in college, I was not a particular fan, since we are a nole’ family. But, when he was a senior I said, this kid has heart and a soul. Now I’m a believer that he can make it and it doesn’t even matter, cause he will be a success at whatever he does.


40 posted on 12/05/2011 5:00:48 PM PST by marygam ((Hurry November 2012, we might not make it))
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To: wmfights

As Ed Sullivan once said: “It’s all shoe business!”


41 posted on 12/05/2011 5:01:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Without doubt, there are paparazzi out there looking to find Tebow doing something, anything, so they can point to him and say “SEE! He isn’t so great!”

You bet!

However, when he stumbles he will be okay. He knows who to look to for help. I know he will make mistakes, don't we all?

42 posted on 12/05/2011 5:02:18 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: AnalogReigns

While I admire the faith and conviction of the fellow in “Chariots of Fire”, he was a damn fool.

The Sabbath is Saturday, and working on that day is NOT forbidden under the New Covenant.

Jesus IS The Sabbath. We find rest in Him. Tebow is fully and openly in Christ at all times, and is making The Lord quite proud.

I aspire to be like Tim Tebow, and I am much older than he.


43 posted on 12/05/2011 5:02:57 PM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: marygam
...that he can make it and it doesn’t even matter, cause he will be a success at whatever he does.

I think you are right.

44 posted on 12/05/2011 5:06:13 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: dfwgator

>> “I have decided to root for the Broncos exclusively for the rest of the season.” <<

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My guess, after seeing how thoroughly Tebow’s presence on the team has fixed what was wrong at Denver, is that the superbowl will consist of the Denver Broncos Vs one of three teams: Packers, 49ers, or the Saints.

Let the losers weep.


45 posted on 12/05/2011 5:08:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Retired Greyhound; AnalogReigns
I aspire to be like Tim Tebow, and I am much older than he.

I know the feeling.

Jesus IS The Sabbath. We find rest in Him. Tebow is fully and openly in Christ at all times, and is making The Lord quite proud.

Great point.

I do appreciate AR being willing to express a different view in a thoughtful manner.

46 posted on 12/05/2011 5:10:13 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: editor-surveyor; dfwgator
My guess, after seeing how thoroughly Tebow’s presence on the team has fixed what was wrong at Denver, is that the superbowl will consist of the Denver Broncos Vs one of three teams: Packers, 49ers, or the Saints.

I don't think they can get past Baltimore, Pittsburgh or Cincinnati. I have become a huge Bronco's fan because of Tebow. If they stick with him just imagine the influence he will have in the locker room.

47 posted on 12/05/2011 5:15:41 PM PST by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: AnalogReigns

-—— Sunday is the Lord’s Day—which the keeping of it is (still) one of the 10 Commandments (and up 100 years ago, nearly no serious Christian would violate...see “Chariots of Fire” anyone?), and something all professional and college athletes routinely violate....I just cannot see what all the fuss is about.-——

You are right.... Tebow should quit ....so millions of unsaved or back sliden people can no longer hear and witness his testimony about his love and adoration of the risen Lord..

Not breaking the Sabbath is far more important than that....

/S


48 posted on 12/05/2011 5:17:16 PM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: Popman

This boy is a millionaire. Easier to preach on a football field (and off, surrounded by servants) than on a street corner.


49 posted on 12/05/2011 5:19:34 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: editor-surveyor

That is no longer as crazy as it sounds.

I’m a long time Broncos fan and I have to say, with Tebow, all things are possible.


50 posted on 12/05/2011 5:23:10 PM PST by free me (heartless)
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