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Mitt Romney: Islam is not an inherently violent faith
The Des Moines Register | December 9, 2011 | Tony Leys

Posted on 12/12/2011 2:59:48 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Link only due to copyright issues: http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/09/mitt-romney-islam-is-not-an-inherently-violent-faith/?s=al&promo_code=DB12-1


TOPICS: History; Islam; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; bain4911mosque; islam; michigan; romney; romney4911mosque; romney4islam
It's like he's trying to lose the Iowa caucuses.
1 posted on 12/12/2011 2:59:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Link to article: http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/09/mitt-romney-islam-is-not-an-inherently-violent-faith/?s=al&promo_code=DB12-1


2 posted on 12/12/2011 3:00:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is going to suck to be him.


3 posted on 12/12/2011 3:01:57 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Everytime he opens his mouth he sucks more!


4 posted on 12/12/2011 3:03:59 PM PST by albie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unless it polls better for Romney to say the opposite. He is terrified Newt is taking Michigan. Have to rile up Dearbornistan for some Muzzie votes.


5 posted on 12/12/2011 3:05:00 PM PST by peyton randolph (B. Hussein Obama solved Bush's "problem" of a AAA credit rating)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Willard must be pandering for the rich Muslim money floating around out there.


6 posted on 12/12/2011 3:05:14 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unless it polls better for Romney to say the opposite. He is terrified Newt is taking Michigan. Have to rile up Dearbornistan for some Muzzie votes.


7 posted on 12/12/2011 3:05:14 PM PST by peyton randolph (B. Hussein Obama solved Bush's "problem" of a AAA credit rating)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unless it polls better for Romney to say the opposite. He is terrified Newt is taking Michigan. Have to rile up Dearbornistan for some Muzzie votes.


8 posted on 12/12/2011 3:05:14 PM PST by peyton randolph (B. Hussein Obama solved Bush's "problem" of a AAA credit rating)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh boy, another Islam is a Religion of Peace guy.


9 posted on 12/12/2011 3:05:58 PM PST by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A guy from one false religion sticking up for another false religion.


10 posted on 12/12/2011 3:06:16 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh boy, another Islam is a Religion of Peace guy.


11 posted on 12/12/2011 3:06:30 PM PST by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Madness. Madness...


12 posted on 12/12/2011 3:06:47 PM PST by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I read the article and didn’t see where he made that statement. I may be wrong, but no need for hype in this contest. Enough of their actual statements can be scrutinized and analyzed ..


13 posted on 12/12/2011 3:08:30 PM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: ImpBill; Elsie; reaganaut
FLDS/LDS "Prophets" Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and others taught as doctrine that Islam is superior to Chistianity, fo course this was back when they were honest about not being Christians themselves.

They also taught that Joseph Smith would be a "second mohammed" and it would be "Joseph Smith or the Sword", Brigham Young taught to BEHEAD "apostates" who left mormonism.

Given this history within Romney's own CULT, he should shut his mouth on this issue.

14 posted on 12/12/2011 3:12:17 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FUMR.


15 posted on 12/12/2011 3:19:29 PM PST by Yankee (Welcome to Obama's Fourth Reich.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Keep talking Mittens; you're making it harder and harder for the GOP Establishment to shove you down our throats.

You're a disgusting POS RINO cut from the same cloth as that media whore John McCain. Just F-ing go away you perennial loser!

16 posted on 12/12/2011 3:23:19 PM PST by Artcore
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mitt Romney: Islam is not an inherently violent faith

He's in flip mode presently, he will profess a want to nuke Mecca when he goes to flop mode.

17 posted on 12/12/2011 3:24:52 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This loser is above the neck DEAD !!!!!


18 posted on 12/12/2011 3:25:39 PM PST by MtnMan101 (THE PROBLEM WITH SOCIALISUM IS THAT YOU EVENTUALLY RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mitt Romney: Islam is not an inherently violent faith

They sure do seem to enjoy it though, don't they?

19 posted on 12/12/2011 3:27:44 PM PST by SoJoCo
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To: peyton randolph

But Newt is not officially disagreeing with Romney on this subject.

And neither are Bachmann, Paul and Santorum. All sissyfied politicians who are afraid to admit that Islam is the destruction of this nation unless something is done about it.


20 posted on 12/12/2011 3:28:15 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When muslims line up like our boys did after Pearl Harbor and 9/11 to fight against their extremist brethren, then MAYBE I will believe it has some redeeming values. Until then, not so much.

The next thing Romney will say is the 2nd coming is going to be in, I don’t know, Independence Missouri, or Quetzlcoatl was really Jesus....oh wait...


21 posted on 12/12/2011 3:31:28 PM PST by Molon Labbie (Occupiers- The world is watching....and alternatively laughing and vomiting)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dear Mitt Romney

Read the Koran and then get back to us with your opinion.


22 posted on 12/12/2011 3:32:32 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's a lot like Mitt is losing his mojo...except that he never had any mojo to lose.

As long as he kept his head down and let others self destruct, he was fine. But now that the race is getting agressive...he's not fine.

He is rattled and his complete lack of mojo is becoming more apparent every day.

On top of that, I think he is beginning to realize this isn't going to be easy. The country hangs in the balance and a play-it-safe candidate has NO chance of winning.

23 posted on 12/12/2011 3:34:51 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t recall the Islamic hierarchy condemning any of the beheadings or other murders committed in the name of Islam. They routinely prohibit Christianity in any territory under their purview. I do not recall any Christian organization attempting to disallow Islam. Is there some element or elements or logic and reason that escape me here?


24 posted on 12/12/2011 3:37:03 PM PST by davisfh
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To: 353FMG
Newt has loudly proclaimed that Islam seeks our destruction. He completely disagrees with Romney on this subject.

If you need a source let me know. And if I misunderstood your comment...sorry.

25 posted on 12/12/2011 3:39:24 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Indulgent, self-seeking crap. This a habitual position. If it sickens you now, can you imagine what four years of it would be like? I shriek as it is, when I see Obama’s image or hear his voice! Can psychosis be far off?


26 posted on 12/12/2011 3:39:57 PM PST by old school
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mitt is just another religion of peace zombie painting happy faces on a vile and evil cult and all the while Islam continues to terrorize and brutally murder Innocent people in the name of mohammed for the betterment of all mooselims.
27 posted on 12/12/2011 3:39:57 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Captain Beyond

Shold be Islam *Cult of Death.


28 posted on 12/12/2011 3:43:02 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: UB355
I don't (and wouldn't) work for the Des Moines Register. That is their headline, not mine.
29 posted on 12/12/2011 3:45:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: UB355
I don't (and wouldn't) work for the Des Moines Register. That is their headline, not mine.
30 posted on 12/12/2011 3:45:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 353FMG
But Newt is not officially disagreeing with Romney on this subject.

And neither are Bachmann, Paul and Santorum. All sissyfied politicians who are afraid to admit that Islam is the destruction of this nation unless something is done about it.
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Remember where Cain is on this subject? His view is that you can not trust any Muslim, certainly not in the Administration. I know he back tracked some on this, but it is obviously how he feels. Let us hope for a brokered convention and Cain gets the necessary votes. That is my prayer.

31 posted on 12/12/2011 3:51:18 PM PST by iontheball
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To: RoosterRedux

Never heard Newt proclaim that Islam seeks our destruction.

If that is the case, he is the one every member of my family will vote for.


32 posted on 12/12/2011 3:54:47 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

In that case, give me a minute or two and I will send you some links to videos of great speeches of Newt in which he says enough to win your support.


33 posted on 12/12/2011 3:59:03 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: 353FMG
Check these out (given to me by a Freeper) and forward to your friends and family....

(1/3) Newt Gingrich: "Phoney War"

(2/3) Newt Gingrich: "Phoney War"

(3/3) Newt Gingrich: "Phoney War"

34 posted on 12/12/2011 4:08:29 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems like none of our “leaders” want to call a spade a spade and Is-Slime is not only an enemy of the USA but to all civilization and if our governments will not take action against the death cult then it simply leaves it up to individual citizens to protect themselves.


35 posted on 12/12/2011 4:08:59 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: old school
>"If it sickens you now,"

I have to turn off Rush if when he starts playing clips of the serpent. It literally makes my stomach turn.

36 posted on 12/12/2011 4:11:06 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Old Sarge

The “ rich Muslim money “ already goes to zero .


37 posted on 12/12/2011 4:19:44 PM PST by katykelly
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To: RoosterRedux

Thanks for the links. They will have a wide distribution among my social contacts.


38 posted on 12/12/2011 4:30:34 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG; Jim Robinson
For 10 years now (long time lurker), my most important issue has been the war that Islam has declared on us.

Newt gets it. And he will win.

Mitt is a nice guy...and he will lose.

We are at war and nothing matters until we achieve victory over those who seek to destroy us.

Even conservatism is something that we must push out to that later point (and I am a devout conservative).

The war...this war...is against Islam (which I believe is a slight modification of Satanism).

This is an existential war. They will win if they can convince us that it is NOT AN EXISTENTIAL WAR.

39 posted on 12/12/2011 4:45:40 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

On this entire planet I can’t think of anything more evil than Islam.

Our congresscritters had better understand this or their grandchildren will curse their names.


40 posted on 12/12/2011 4:57:30 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG
If we lose, the names of those who sold us out will disappear in to obscurity.

As Newt says...WE MUST NOT LOSE!

This is not a war between Islam and the West. This is a war between slavery and freedom.

Islam is Satanic (as is Mormonism).

Let's fight for freedom. Check the tag line

41 posted on 12/12/2011 5:03:01 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Washington: Victory or Death)
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To: dfwgator

Hey Mitt, I’ll bet you $10,000 you are wrong. Fail you timid weakling.


42 posted on 12/12/2011 5:03:38 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's like he's trying to lose the Iowa caucuses.

Huntsman has been friendly to Muslims, Perry definitely has been and still is. I don't think they consider it an issue.
43 posted on 12/12/2011 5:16:16 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Islam is an inherently violent faith. Read the book.
44 posted on 12/12/2011 5:29:11 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: SENTINEL

Actually, I suspect that Romney’s religion is not terribly relevant to Romney.


45 posted on 12/12/2011 5:42:05 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




46 posted on 12/12/2011 8:10:50 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Mitt 'Hussein' Romney and Bain are behind the 911 Victory Mosque sale.

"(The GroundZero Mosque) cleared its final hurdle ….
developers plan to build the $100 million center which will include a mosque.
Since its incipient stages in July 2009, when a Muslim-run real-estate development
company purchased the damaged, vacant building and land where the new center
will be built, the project has sparked controversy and debate.
.... the tattered building that was bought by the Muslim real estate company had
been owned by a subsidiary of Bain Capital, a company Romney founded in 1984.

So it’s OK if his company can profit off the sale of the land ."


“Bain Capital, has cut checks totaling $90,000 to Romney’s operation. “


47 posted on 12/13/2011 4:59:37 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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