Posted on 12/16/2011 7:45:36 PM PST by Salvation
Are you a linguist?
Remember the three things happening with the new translation:
Higher linguistic register = chalice rather than cup
Greater adherance to the Latin
Longer sentence (the way Latin was written)
You never know. Remember he sent two disciples ahead to follow a MAN carrying a water jar. (Women, in those days, usually fetched the water.) Then they were to ask him if the Master could eat the Passover at his upper room.
Perhaps the man provided the chalice, the bread, the bitter herbs, the roast lamb......remember this was a Passover meal. Oh, can’t forget the wine! LOL!
A Christian Passover Seder for Holy Thursday (or tonight)
Seminarians experience a key Jewish rite [Seder Meal]
What every Christian needs to know about Passover [Passover starts this evening]
Christian seders draw concern
"Behold the LAMB of God,
Behold HIM who takes away the sins of the world.
Blessed are those called to the supper of the LAMB."
Thanks for the info Salvation. It seems ironic in a way. The thread is talking about the new liturgy and it’s translations, words used, etc. and we’re doing pretty much the same thing. Yes of course The Last Supper was on the night Passover and being observant Jews Jesus and the 12 disciples would be partaking. I guess I’m just looking at it from the perspective of the Catholic teaching of the ‘’old school’’ nuns and priests of long ago who wanted us to focus on the meaning of it— that Jesus knew what he had to do, though he wished he didn’t have to(i.e ‘’the bitter cup’’). No doubt in every sense of history and tradition it would have been a traditional Hebrew Seder of that era.
Yes, we have been doing much the same and it is a great conversation. Thanks.
:-)
The real problem is that many of the priests simply cannot read properly. The lectors when trained properly know how to read to the congregation quite well. It is the priests who have essentially memorized it all and now find themselves having to read the new translation to the congregation. They should have been reading it over quite a few times in advance of the change being made. Instead, they stand there in front of the congregation and demonstrate their inability to read out loud from a large print book. Some of these priests come across as first grade children reading from a Dick and Jane reader.
This says so much in so few words. It works in reverse, too. If we live bad lives, we cease to believe, and we stop communicating with God. Sin cuts off the source of our existence, so we are dead men/women walking. Zombies in the true sense. I have always been pretty liberal in my opinions, but paradoxically, because I grew up in a Protestant environment, I never quite bought into the thinking of the Catholic modernizers. I admired Kueng until I took the time to read carefully one of his books, and thought to myself, not so fast. I find I have much more sympathy with Karl Barth and Bonhoeffer his disciple.Especially Bonhoeffer, a martyr to Christ. I hate those who lie about Pius XII. Don't they know that when Pacelli was negotiating with the Nazis, he had his legs cut out from under him by the German bishops who were fawning over Hitler? The German Church,like the philosophers kept being blindsided by Hitler.
Well, John said it was NOT the passover meal. In any case, I have always thought, in any case, that it was something done after the meal, while they were all still seated at table. Something like: well, we have been following the old Law. Now I give you something new. something to remember me by, the first meal in the new kingdom.
“Are you a linguist?”
You need clearance for that information ;) but I’ll say this: from where I’m sitting I can see five different works of Greek study, and 2 cases of the full audio of the New Testament, and I would most emphatically recommend study of same to everyone. It’s amazing what you can learn this way, that might never otherwise come up.
Scott Hahn is good on this — on placing the Institution in the context of a Seder. But yes, John says what he says. It’s interesting.
As far as this new translation of the phony 1969 mass, its only been done because everyone is waking up to the fact that we have had a fake mass for the last 40 years or so. Changing a few words is just their way of dealing with the catholic counter-revolution. If they were serious they would just bring back Old Roman Rite that worked just fine for the better part of the last 2000 years. Why would the pope change a mass that had been used for for nearly 2000 years? Because Pope Paul VI was an infiltrator, an impostor, as was his predecessor John XXIII. Who was the lawful (though unrecognized) pope during this time? Why it was Cardinal Siri of Genoa who was elected on October 26th, 1958 when the white smoke billowed out of the Sistine Chapel for 5 minutes but was forced aside before he could appear on the balcony in St. Peter’s square. Historic footage of his election here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMtMbe6odh4
Did you start with Machen? LOL!
It was a looong time ago but I think the author’s name was Winer. Big old book. I’ve seen the newer books in the library and like most recent works it looks somewhat “dumbed down” to me. NTTAWWT... :) Some swear by Machen. Others at him.
Well for most of my life and I am just a few years past the half century mark, up until almost a month ago, the previous version of the mass was ALL I EVER KNEW. I hardly remember the old Latin mass and I am working to get used to the new updated English words 3rd Roman Missal changes.
Well, the Pharisees never change. Even more and more obvious these days.
PRAISE JESUS!
Jesus4life
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