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Christmas, Pagan Romans and Frodo Baggins
Crisis Magazine ^ | December 23, 2011 | Rev. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 12/23/2011 2:05:06 PM PST by NYer

One of the old chestnuts concerning Christmas (and I don’t mean the type roasting on the open fire) is the charge brought by old-fashioned Protestants and new-fangled atheists is that Catholicism is old paganism dressed up in new clothes. These critics notice similarities between certain Roman Catholic customs and the old Roman religion and snipe that our faith is no more than paganism revisited.

One of their favorite examples is the celebration of Christmas. These theological scrooges attribute the date of Christmas, and all its trappings–like mistletoe, gift-giving and Christmas trees–to pagan customs warmed up and served again like so many religious left-overs. The story goes like this:

The Romans had this ancient feast called the Saturnalia. From December 17-23 they partied with feasting and foolishness of all sorts. When the Emperer and his mother converted to the Christian faith, people felt under pressure to convert to Christianity. However, they knew hoi polloi wouldn’t want to give up their favorite Saturnalia festival– so the Christians came up with a solution. Instead of celebrating the god Saturn in the bleak midwinter, they would mark the birth of Christ.

It all sounds plausible enough, but like the solution to a murder mystery–the obvious answer is rarely the right one. The first objection to the idea that Christmas is simply an adapted pagan festival is the simple fact that the early Christians were adamantly opposed to paganism in all its forms. They had inherited from the Jewish first Christians the conviction that the pagan gods and goddesses were demons, and if you worshipped them you were demon possessed. That’s why the catechesis for converts took so long and involved so many careful exorcisms. That’s why the early Christians would not offer so much as one grain of incense to the pagan gods. That’s why, rather than do so, they were willing to be deprived of their property, exiled, imprisoned, tortured and killed. So we’re supposed to believe that in the early fourth century the Christians did a complete about face and decided, “I guess we were wrong about paganism. Gee, what a waste all those martyrdoms were. You know, it’s going to be real popular to adopt that Saturnalia festival, and we’re going to get lots of new converts that way. Let’s do it!” I doubt it.

The second objection to such seemingly sensible theories is that the theorists fall into the error of believing that resemblance proves causation. That is to say that if two things are similar, one must influenced the other. Resemblance might suggest causation, but they do not demand it. Primitive people may have worshipped the sun in Mexico and the Middle East, in Egypt and Asia, in Norway and New Zealand, but it doesn’t mean that all the ancient religions influenced each other. It might just be that human beings everywhere have a natural inclination to worship the sun. Just because the Romans had a mid-winter festival honoring Saturn does not demand that the Christians copied it–even if the similarities suggest it.

When trying to solve the mystery of the relationship between Christmas and the Saturnalia we have to consider not only the similarities, but the differences. The Saturnalia was celebrated from December 17 – 23. Okay that’s pretty close to the December 25 date for Christmas–but if they were copying the Saturnalia, why didn’t the early Christians celebrate the Nativity of Christ on December 17? At the Saturnalia they had a feast. Good.  Christians had a feast too. The Romans gave each other gifts as part of the celebration. There’s a match. Christians did too. However, the Romans also wore silly hats, got drunk, danced naked in the streets, propped up the statue of Saturn on a couch to observe the revelries, reversed roles between slaves and masters, and put green drapes around their doorways. None of those fun activities are part of Christmas.

The most glaring difference is in the meaning of the celebration itself. If there were some sort of link with the birth of Christ you would expect that the meaning of the Saturnalia might have something to do with the coming of light in the dark time of the year or the birth of new life in the midst of the cold and dark. The Saturnalia has none of those themes. Instead, Saturn was the god of agricultural plenty, with the shadow side, (in the earlier myths) of being associated with human sacrifice. It’s roots are in the old, “Let’s sacrifice some of our kids to appease the god so he’ll make our crops grow” type of paganism. Nothing there about the light dawning in the darkness or the blessing of new life in the midst of the bleak mid winter. So in fact, about the only things that are similar between Christmas and the Saturnalia are that they both happened in December, people had a nice meal and gave gifts to each other.

Not so fast. The plot thickens. The Saturnalia may not have had any meaningful link with Christmas, but there was a pagan festival for the solstice which did celebrate the coming of the light and victory over darkness, and it was celebrated on December 25. Instead of a link between Christmas and the Saturnalia, some scholars suggest that the date of Christmas was a Christian takeover of the feast of Dies Natalis Sol Invictus–the birthday of the Roman sun god Sol.

The problem is– this Roman feast is a late innovation. In the year 278 AD (well after Christianity began to burgeon across the empire) the Emperor Aurelian started promoting the cult of Sol Invictus.  There is no evidence that the birth of Sol Invictus was celebrated on December 25 until around 360 AD. This is well after the date of Emperor Constantine’s conversion in 315, and shows the influence of Julian the Apostate–who attempted to turn back the tide of Christianity and return Rome to its pagan origins. Therefore it is arguable that the celebration of the Nativity of Sol Invictus was a late pagan attempt to compete with the celebration of the Nativity of Christ the Lord–the Dayspring from on High and the Sun of Righteousness– on December 25 rather than the reverse.

So where did the date of Christmas originate? In 386, St John Chrysostom preached a sermon linking the date for Christmas to the date of the Annunciation. He does so in a way that suggests that this was already an established belief. The date of the Annunciation was based on a Jewish tradition that the world was created on March 25, or Nisan 15, according to the Jewish calendar. The Jews also believed that a great man would die on the same day as his conception. The early Christians (who were of course Jews) therefore concluded that Jesus had been conceived on March 25. This made it the date of the world’s creation, and the start of the world’s redemption (and therefore the new creation).

It’s easy. If the Lord Jesus Christ was conceived on March 25, then he was born nine months later on December 25. The date for Christmas is therefore determined by the date of the Annunciation and has nothing to do with the Roman celebration of the Saturnalia or the celebration of the birthday of Sol Invictus.

So Christmas Day cannot be separated from Ladyday–the medieval term for the Feast of the Annunciation. While we now (sadly) celebrate New Years’ Day on the pagan date Jan. 1, it was not always so. From the apostolic age through the Middle Ages, the church continued to battle the vestiges of paganism. So right through 1752, the new year was celebrated in Europe not at the outset of the pagan god Janus’s month, but on the Annunciation, March 25.

What about Frodo Baggins? Tolkien fans the world over celebrate March 25 as a day of celebration by the reading of Tolkien’s work. Why is that? Because the day Frodo Baggins saves his world by delivering the Ring into the fires of Mount Doom was (you guessed it) March 25.  Ladyday–the feast of the Annunciation and the beginning of our world’s redemption.

Merry Christmas!


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1 posted on 12/23/2011 2:05:12 PM PST by NYer
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To: NYer

I wonder how these “intellectuals” view Islam ??


2 posted on 12/23/2011 2:08:51 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

I received a heavy dose of such ignorant, anti-catholicism yesterday when the cable channel which had been playing Christmas music, suddenly switched to the image of a man named, Yisrayl Hawkins, from somewhere in Texas. He used his 30 minute program to slam the Catholic Church, accusing it of paganism and other incendiary remarks, He is the founder of the House of Yahweh. Never heard of this group but I laughed heartily as he tried to interpret scripture to fit the outlandish image he was trying to portray. Guess these idiots are still out there stirring up pots of the ignorant.


3 posted on 12/23/2011 2:10:07 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
People "say" lots of things, that doesn't make it so.

I can "say" I am a Coupe De ville, I'm still only an F-150!

4 posted on 12/23/2011 2:10:56 PM PST by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: NYer

Nice essay. Thank you for posting it. I always figured that the priest who once said this had it: the Blessed Mother knew when she gave birth to Our Lord. She did spend time with the Apostles. And she told them. Who would know better than her?


5 posted on 12/23/2011 2:12:30 PM PST by sayuncledave (et Verbum caro factum est (And the Word was made flesh))
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To: NYer
However, the Romans also wore silly hats, got drunk, danced naked in the streets, propped up the statue of Saturn on a couch to observe the revelries, reversed roles between slaves and masters, and put green drapes around their doorways.

The origin of the modern-day holiday party.

6 posted on 12/23/2011 2:17:34 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: NYer

Hawkins is a cult leader. He can be ignored.


7 posted on 12/23/2011 2:18:37 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: NYer

I think I know what Yisrayl Hawkins FReepername is.


8 posted on 12/23/2011 2:23:58 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: NYer

Old fashioned protestants? really? So when do THEY celebrate Christmas?

I don’t know of any ‘protestant’ faith that doesn’t celebrate Christmas on 12/25. I understand the comment coming from Athiest perhaps, but lets not cause a ‘divide’ that is not there between Catholics and Protestants on this one.


9 posted on 12/23/2011 3:00:01 PM PST by AgThorn (the people that work for a living are out voted by the people that vote for a living ....)
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To: NYer
However, the Romans also wore silly hats, got drunk, danced naked in the streets, propped up the statue of Saturn on a couch to observe the revelries, reversed roles between slaves and masters, and put green drapes around their doorways.

Now that's something you can definitely say the Catholics have modeled themselves after ... at least the pre-Lenten Mardi-gras Catholics of Lousiana! ;-)
10 posted on 12/23/2011 3:03:28 PM PST by AgThorn (the people that work for a living are out voted by the people that vote for a living ....)
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To: NYer

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11 posted on 12/23/2011 3:08:35 PM PST by GOP Poet (Time for Bambi and his commie crew to go.)
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12 posted on 12/23/2011 3:08:53 PM PST by narses
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To: NYer

Thank you, NYer! One such rant appears on another thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7k0_IX3Roo Pure Twilight Zone.


13 posted on 12/23/2011 3:19:49 PM PST by Mach9
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To: RichInOC
got drunk, danced naked in the streets, propped up the statue of Saturn

At least they weren't celebrating Uranus...

14 posted on 12/23/2011 3:26:40 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: RichInOC
and put green drapes around their doorways.

And afterwards they sewed those drapes into dresses and went out to cheat the carpetbaggers. s/off

15 posted on 12/23/2011 3:56:42 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RichInOC
and put green drapes around their doorways.

And afterwards they sewed those drapes into dresses and went out to cheat the carpetbaggers. s/off

16 posted on 12/23/2011 3:56:42 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Yeah, well, I worship Frodo Baggins.
So there!!


17 posted on 12/23/2011 4:34:32 PM PST by Radagast the Fool ("Mexico-Beirut with tacos!"--Dr. Zoidberg)
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To: NYer
If the Lord Jesus Christ was conceived on March 25, then he was born nine months later on December 25. The date for Christmas is therefore determined by the date of the Annunciation ...

I pointed this out to my Sunday School class when we discussed Christmas. Particularly in these times, I think it's essential to emphasize that the Incarnation occurred at the Annunciation, not at the Nativity.

18 posted on 12/23/2011 5:16:01 PM PST by Tax-chick (Two women in one house ... and one of 'em a redhead!)
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To: NYer

bkmk


19 posted on 12/23/2011 6:22:38 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: AgThorn

No I disagree with you. I know many non-denominational Protestants who refuse to acknowledge Dec 25 as the birthday of Our Lord because “it’s a Catholic man-made tradition not based in scripture”.

So yes there is a divide there. No one is attempting to invent one - it already exists.


20 posted on 12/23/2011 6:55:23 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: AgThorn

The Catholic tradition of Mardi Gras does not include drunkenness. Perhaps you ought to inform yourself before you blame the evil debauchery that goes on in New Orleans every year on Catholics.

http://www.americancatholic.org/features/mardigras/


21 posted on 12/23/2011 7:00:59 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: AgThorn

In the part of the South I grew up in, many protestant churches had their doors closed on Dec. 25. Many that were part of the old Puritan tradition.


22 posted on 12/23/2011 8:26:56 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Tax-chick

Which is why the new translation of the Creed says” incarnate” of the Virgin Mary instead of “born”of the Virgin Mary. I have heard that the Annunciation was once a much bigger feast than Christmas It sure was a favor subject of artists.


23 posted on 12/23/2011 8:31:09 PM PST by RobbyS
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Which is why the new translation of the Creed says” incarnate” of the Virgin Mary instead of “born”of the Virgin Mary.

Good point. That's what it says in the Spanish version, "Se encarno'."

24 posted on 12/24/2011 6:34:34 AM PST by Tax-chick (Two women in one house ... and one of 'em a redhead!)
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One thing: the Catholic Encyclopedia says the date of the Annunciation was calculated from Christmas, not the other way around:
The year and day of the Annunciation cannot be determined as long as new material does not throw more light on the subject. The present date of the feast (25 March) depends upon the date of the older feast of Christmas.

25 posted on 12/24/2011 2:56:42 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Obviously there are conflicting views among historians and their sources. This is hardly unique to the question of the date of the Nativity or its celebration.


26 posted on 12/24/2011 5:13:38 PM PST by Tax-chick (Two women in one house ... and one of 'em a redhead!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

and put green drapes around their doorways.

And afterwards they sewed those drapes into dresses and went out to cheat the carpetbaggers. s/off

But her hands still looked like they came from a common field hand.


27 posted on 12/24/2011 7:17:10 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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