Posted on 01/08/2012 12:46:11 PM PST by bkopto
One of my superstar former students, writing about his experience at one of our nation's premier law schools, sent me a note after reading my MOJ post on marriage, religious liberty, and the "grand bargain." Here is the text, with names removed to protect the innocent:
I had a first-hand experience with this reality in law school. One of my constitutional law professors taught the section of our course relating to same-sex marriage under the "inevitability" banner. I met with him in office hours later to talk to him about something else, but I brought up a question that I have been wrestling with: if the SSM advocates are right and opposition to SSM becomes analogous to racism in our society, what will happen to Catholics and others whose views on SSM cannot and will not change? Are they to be excluded from public office, political and judicial appointments, or places of trust and responsibility within private institutions (e.g., law firm partnerships)? I posed the question to him because I was curious to hear his response, since he is generally a kind and reasonable person who seemed open to other viewpoints.
His response was very disappointing, and it shook my confidence in him. He responded to me by saying something along the lines of: "Well, they [Catholics and others] will either have to change their views or be treated in the same way that white supremacists and the segregationist Senators were treated. They were excluded from the judiciary entirely for decades because of the South's views on race."
He evinced no sympathy for the traditional marriage position or those who hold it. They were to be relegated to the ash heap of history. He said all of this to me knowing full well (because I had foolishly just told him) that I was a Catholic who opposed SSM.
Is anyone prepared to say that the view expressed by the professor is merely a fringe opinion in the contemporary academy? Is anyone prepared to say that it is the view of only a small minority, or a minority at all, in what University of Virginia sociologist Jonathan Haidt calls the liberal tribal-moral community of contemporary academia? Would anyone deny that there is a significant element in the elite sector of the culture---an element with real power over the lives and careers of people like my former student---that wishes to penalize or discriminate against those who refuse in conscience to yield to the liberal orthodoxy on issues of sex and marriage? Consider the professor's own words. He made no effort to hide his goals and intentions. On the contrary, he made it abundantly clear that Catholics and others who persist in their dissent are to be treated the way we treat white supremacists. They are to be stigmatized, subjected to discrimination, and denied the right to hold certain offices.
And this professor, as my student observed, is a "generally a kind and reasonable person who seems open to other viewpoints." What are we to expect, then, from those who are even less "open to other viewpoints"?
Some Baptists may have done so but there is no such thing as THE Baptists. Baptist churches are by definition autonomous so any Baptist church can be as liberal or conservative as it wants to be. That’s why you can find Baptists all over the spectrum from to the left of Jesse Jackson all the way to the right of the late Jerry Falwell.
This process is already well along the way. Right now seminars are being put on by my state’s bar association to “educate” all lawyers about the same-sex union act that went into effect on 1/1, and what our responsibilities now are as lawyers to recognize this “civil right.”
I am expecting a second American revolution to happen in my lifetime.
At this exact moment, they are the very small minority, but as professors continue to teach lies to our youth, it will be spread quickly. God will not be mocked, and His Justice will be enacted. God help us during these times of darkness.
That would be the third American Revolution. The second, the Southern secession, failed, and we have been an empire ever since.
I remember the controversy when the Christian Scientists refused to subject their children to chemo
As a note, please do not lump together "Baptists" as being monolithic in doctrine as is the Roman Catholic manifestation. There are many kinds of (ana)baptists, whose only complete uniformity in practices is that they are (1) not paedobaptisers and (2) they are immersionists.
One subgroup, the independent, fundamental, Bible-believing New Testament immersionist confessors never has contemplated a polity of women or Sodomite pastors; nor of marriages of the plural or same-sex variety (and usually not of the remarriage adultery sort, either).
>>Freedom of religion is why this country exists today and it’s going away fast.<<
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With the exception of the special privileges that Islam, the anti-religion, enjoys in this country.
Begging your pardon, Christanity has ever been egalitarian in individual worth, but not in gender, role, and function. Furthermore, Biblical conduct has never recognized unnatural diversions as conduct acceptable to The God.
Ladies, gentlemen,
we will eventually be ostracized, and same-sex unions will likely be the mechanism used, primarily.
Laws and regulation are useful to the left as a means of correcting what they deem as either irrational or inappropriate behavior. But they do not apply to the left. And the usefulness of championing SSM is not so much doing of right, in light of the left’s love of “moral relativism,” but precisely because it may be employed to destroy the traditional family, and thus, American society as a whole.
Not to mention how pervasive political correctness is in the corporate world. I spent many years quietly enduring exposure to “inclusiveness” and “diversity” gabble at company meetings. I’m sure many here have. That PC garbage will ensure that at least some relatively malleable folks, or those ill-equipped with the facts may feel that SSM isn’t “so bad.”
For the momentum to be stopped, among other things, the regime would have to change, with the new one being a literal 180º from the current one. Every head office would have to have a mandate to immediately rework this garbage, out of the system. And that doesn’t take into account existing laws, or the time between now and the election. I don’t bet. If I did, it’d be very tempting to say that it’s a bet that the admin will move like lightning to get it done by election time. Not so much the oppression of we who oppose it, yet, but implementation of a national SSM law, or at least a bill.
I think we’ll see this happen. And I think the second-class citizen treatment will happen, too. Look at it this way. MF Global went down Oct. 31. No one arrested. Customers funds frozen, and liable, perhaps, to clawback. Corzine walks through a soft testimony. No laws enforced. BK misfiled so creditors come first, not customers. If the administration’s friends and fund-raisers can be this blatant, where is the impetus for them to stop? It may not be immediate, but it will be soon. Pray.
I am an old Christian believer - On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking stand - from the chorus of an old hymn. I have known and talked to many ministers of various denominations including some Catholic priests. If I were forced to use only one word to describe them, I would say non confrontational. They have forgotten Martin Luther’s famous “here I stand” saying before the Diet at Worms.
“Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in councils alone, since it is well known that they have often erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the Scriptures I have quoted and my conscience is captive to the Word of God. I cannot and will not recant anything, since it is neither safe nor right to go against conscience. Here I stand, May God help me. Amen”.
**.” What are we to expect, then, from those who are even less “open to other viewpoints”?**
Like God?
I don’t think the professor would like God’s answer to him on this!
Most people will do what ever the authority tells them to. That is the aspect of human nature most conservatives and all libertarians don’t realize.
See you in the catacombs.
Ping
"Mass" used in a double sense.
Yes, this is very true.
I’m a survivor of academia. Originally an agnostic. Became Christian at university and this attitude is very pervasive.
University becomes a 4 year never-ending slog of being told that you are wrong, that you are stupid for believing what you do, etc.
And this student shouldn’t be surprised. Catholics were and have been oppressed in the US before. This attitude is why I refuse to go into the teaching profession where I am from (as they require teachers to teach SSM), and have relocated to TX.
I’m glad to see this kid waking up to hatred and bigotry. We need more young conservatives to wake up and realize what’s truly going on.
And as Paul himself said - “expel the immoral brother”.
It is true. I know of other Baptists who are doing the same.
And I like Baptists. Arguing they are not ‘true’ Baptists is wrong. You should be condemning them for abadoning Christ.
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