Yet you use the same Irenaeous to 'prove' a point that Peter was not there.
Now his other writing states Peter was There!
So he is now wrong!!
You just "sold him out"! Hello!
Your argument does not add up!
Posted on 01/14/2012 8:23:15 PM PST by bibletruth
In the present dispensation there is only ONE true Church, which is called the Body of Christ separate and distinct from the prophesied, earthly kingdom of Christ vested in redeemed National Israel as a called-out nation or church, assembly or congregation, above all other nations.
Well stated.
Only as far as evangelism to the Jews is concerned.
Joh 1:42 He brought him unto Jesus. Jesus looked upon him, and said, Thou art Simon the son of John: thou shalt be called Cephas (which is by interpretation, Peter, which is Rock).
Which is why you spend so much time in front of the mirror. And I think Darby was almost as foolish as the Catholics, just not as bloodthirsty. Now go put on a silly pointy hat and flagellate yourself in pennance for the sins of your birth. Have a nice purgatory - I'm sure someone will toss a coin in the coffer for you.
ROFL We were talking about the name in regards to the RCC position of Peter in leadership position specifically from Matthew 16.
Not at all. In fact it was when Peter delivered the Gospel to Cornelius’s household that we witness the Holy Spirit being given to the gentiles. To try and conflate the Holy Spirit Church with the Church in Rome or Virginia Beach is, IMHO, a mistake not to be ignored.
“Peter, upon whom is built the Church of Christ, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail, left only one epistle of acknowledged genuinity. Let us concede also a second, which however is doubtful.” Origen, Commentaries on John 5,3
“[T]he blessed Peter, the chosen, the preeminent, the first among the disciples, for whom alone with himself the Savior paid the tribute [Matt. 17:27], quickly grasped and understood their meaning. And what does he say? ‘Behold, we have left all and have followed you’ [Matt. 19:27; Mark 10:28]” Clement of Alexandria, Who Is the Rich Man That Is Saved? 21:3–5
“For what purpose did He shed His blood? It was that He might win these sheep which he entrusted to Peter and his successors.” (St. John of Chysostom, De Sacerdotio, 53
Yet you use the same Irenaeous to 'prove' a point that Peter was not there.
Now his other writing states Peter was There!
So he is now wrong!!
You just "sold him out"! Hello!
Your argument does not add up!
You will do as you will do, however as Jesus prayed that his disciples would be made holy, sanctified by means of the truth, would it not behoove us to know that truth as accurately as possible?
I'll have a very nice time in heaven, thank you, and per the Scriptures I'm sure we'll all be purified as if by fire rather than, as so many of the lost seem to think, smuggled into heaven in a diplomatic pouch while God the Father winks at the antics of His Son.
If agree with doctrines built on calling Christ a liar, you don't care Christ as much as you care about yourself, it's that simple. I'll pray to Mary and the Saints on your behalf and hope you one day slience your worship of Self enough to hear the Holy Spirit who will guide you accept Jesus Christ rather than continuing to worship yourself.
have a nice day
Apostles, Peter and Paul” still with no proof from any writings of the Apostles themselves or proof that Peter was actually ever in Rome let alone head of the church there."
Irenaeous made the statement but only from hearsay with no evidence from scripture or any other writings from the time of the apostles. Yes, I showed that he said it but that he gave no proof for the contention.
Now, if you can show from any writings of the apostles or historians that Peter was bishop of the church in Rome maybe we would have something to discuss.
The Church...
In the present dispensation there is only one true Church, which is called the Body of Christ (I Cor. 12:13; Eph. 1:22,23; 3:1-6) separate and distinct from the prophesied, earthly kingdom of Christ. The historicalmanifestation of the Body of Christ began with the Apostle Paul before he wrote his first epistle (I Thes. 2:14-16; cf. Acts 13:45-46; Phil. 1:5,6 cf. Acts 16; I Cor. 12:13, 27 cf. Acts 18)
I have heard people say " no Pope in Early Church" but now there is:
"did not designate Peter as any type of leader".
All most all Protestants Scholars would disagree that "Peter was not a Leader."
Amazing!
I have heard people say " no Pope in Early Church" but now there is:
"did not designate Peter as any type of leader".
All most all Protestants Scholars would disagree that "Peter was not a Leader."
Amazing!
Sorry for double!
So what??? I think it's pretty clear that your Catholic religion doesn't believe in much of the scripture anyway...
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