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There is only ONE true Church
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| 33-90 AD
| God Christ Jesus Apostle Paul
Posted on 01/14/2012 8:23:15 PM PST by bibletruth
In the present dispensation there is only ONE true Church, which is called the Body of Christ separate and distinct from the prophesied, earthly kingdom of Christ vested in redeemed National Israel as a called-out nation or church, assembly or congregation, above all other nations.
TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: onebodyofchrist; onetruechurch
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To: kelly4c
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:16:57 AM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Cvengr; bibletruth
Yes, the Church began before Paul. The MESSIANIC Church, the Kingdom Church, made up of the little flock and those Jewish believers on the day of Pentecost. However, the Church the Body of Christ did NOT begin before Paul. He was given that commission. And he was not saved before Acts 9.
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:20:26 AM PST
by
smvoice
(Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
To: Running On Empty
Sheen is attempting interpretation, not translation, of a Hebrew idiomatic saying into English and thereby misses both.
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:30:06 AM PST
by
count-your-change
(You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: count-your-change
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:32:52 AM PST
by
Running On Empty
(The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
To: RegulatorCountry
In your Bible in the Book of Acts, who was it that addressed the First Council, the Council of Jerusalem?
Peter of course, for he was the leader, the Pope, although that exact word is not used.
Don’t get hung up on little details when it’s right there in the Bible for you to read as Peter addresses the Council of Jerusalem.
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:40:11 AM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Where did you read that the Catholic Church was a Protestant Church? LOL!
No logic, there, for Protestant is not in the Bible and didn’t appear in languages until after Luther.
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:42:44 AM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Anti-Hillary
Please read your Book of Revelation again, unless Martin Luther changed it too.
People will be divided into groups. Could there be a Lutheran group? A Catholic group? A New York group? A KJV group? A European group? An American group?
Then people will then be divided into only two groups, the sheep and the goats.
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:46:05 AM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: presently no screen name; Religion Moderator
I have been baptized and confirmed.
Why do you change the subject to a personal attack on me, rather than answering my objections to why the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic does not hold up for Protestant churches which have gone astray?
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:48:40 AM PST
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Running On Empty
No, not so say me. If you do not understand what an idiom is, there are on-line dictionaries and as the foot notes on John 2:4 in the NAB point out, this phrase is a denial of common interest, giving 2 Kings 3:13 as an example.
A word for word rendering of the Greek to English would be, “What to me and to you, woman?”.
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:52:45 AM PST
by
count-your-change
(You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
To: boatbums; neverbluffer; bibletruth; smvoice
we agree “there is ONLY one church” and if it is the Church Jesus established, it must have existed UNIVERSALLY, at all times from 33ad to the present.
there are those that teach the Church was “apostate” and left the orthodox faith. ( Joseph Smith agrees with this and we have the Mormons because of this thinking )
let’s use one doctrine to see who is “apostate” and who isn’t.
the Bible is clear, baptism causes the following:
1. remission of sins
2. receiving the Holy Spirit
3. being placed “into Christ”
this is the biblical, orthodox Faith this UNIVERSAL CHURCH has taught since receiving the doctrine from the Apostles.
the Bishops at Nicea in 325ad, after tremendous persecution from Rome had ended, gathered to defend the divinity of Jesus and state they believed in “one baptism for the remission of sins.
this is what all of Christendom believed until the 16th century, when some began to teach baptism is done after salvation as an act of obedience.
now, EVERYONE SHOULD know the truth.
what say you BB, is baptism for the remission of sins or an act of obedience that has nothing to do with salvation?
let’s see who holds the orthodox Faith and who never had it.
To: Rashputin
"If you don't like that or don't believe that, fine, but don't claim that Christ would abandon His flock for fifteen hundred plus years"
Nobody claims that. During those times there were plenty of saved Christians but it was despite their heretical Church certainly not because of it.
To: smvoice; Cvengr; bibletruth
there is only One Jesus and He has only One Body.
that Body ( the Church ) is comprised of Jews and Gentiles who have been baptized into Christ.
there is no seperate “messianic” church or “kingdom” church.
ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE CHURCH.
To: Salvation
Just guessing, but perhaps you're conflating of a man-made institution and the real Church which is a spiritual entity is clouding your 'preceptions'?
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posted on
01/15/2012 9:58:18 AM PST
by
MHGinTN
(Being deceived can be cured.)
To: one Lord one faith one baptism; boatbums; CynicalBear; neverbluffer; bibletruth
This question is who is apostate because they do not follow God's Word of Truth.
"STUDY to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim. 2:15.
This tells me that the apostate person is the workman who is NOT approved unto God, because he does not rightly divide the word of truth. And he WILL be ashamed. THAT'S apostacy.
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posted on
01/15/2012 10:00:09 AM PST
by
smvoice
(Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing is for an eternity..)
To: smvoice; bibletruth
“does not rightly divide the word of truth”
according to you?
are you infallible?
did anyone “rightly divide the word of truth” in the 4th century? if yes, who?
To: johngrace; RegulatorCountry; neverbluffer
When pressed for who Jesus thought was the leader of the apostles He rather scolded them for even thinking there was a leader among them.
Luke 22:24 And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. 25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Matthew 23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Jesus did NOT designate Peter as any type of leader.
To: Notary Sojac
***
Marking this thread for future reference the next time I get into an FR argument about how Unitarians, or JW’s, or LDS, aren’t Christian.
The comity here among the “true Christians” is very instructive to an atheist like myself.
***
I can certainly see your point.
To: Salvation
****Where did you read that the Catholic Church was a Protestant Church? LOL!***
It was in a newspaper article about 40 years ago written by an Eastern Orthodox priest who claimed to be the “True Church” in which the Catholics broke away from.
Of course, Catholics have a different view of THE GREAT SCHISM a thousand years ago.
To: circlecity
Christ said "city on a hill", not "little bands of illiterates cowering in caves and alleys".
But go ahead, pick and chose what portions of Scripture you want to believe and what portions you want to pretend aren't there. Use whichever verses you like as you see fit for your own personal interpretation of Scripture and your own personal religion. In doing so you're worshiping Self and not God incarnate as Christ. But go ahead, continue to claim that Christ was either a liar or just plain too stupid to say that He really meant since that's what is required for you to espouse the "Invisible Church", "Sola Myselfa", "Faith in Myself Alone", rubbish.
Considering that intrinsic to such a claim is Christ allowing what you say is heresy to be accepted throughout the world as Christianity, the Gates of Hell prevailed against His Church in spite of His promise to the contrary. Yet another instance of calling Jesus Christ the incarnate Son of God Almighty, God from God, a liar. There's no way I could ever agree with the fantasy you described given the numerous times you have to call Christ a liar in order to accept it. Anyone who wants to, though, is free to call Jesus Christ a liar as often as they like in order to accept the " ... despite their heretical Church" fantasy.
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posted on
01/15/2012 11:06:30 AM PST
by
Rashputin
(Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
To: Rashputin
"Christ said "city on a hill","
So did the Angel describing the seven heads of the Beast of Revelation.
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