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Jewish leaders offended by ceremony at Georgia megachurch dubbing {Baptist} preacher a ‘king’
Washington Post ^ | 3 Feb 2012 | APD

Posted on 02/05/2012 2:01:15 AM PST by Cronos

Jewish leaders are criticizing a ceremony that involved a controversial megachurch leader being wrapped in a religious scroll and exalted as a “king” to the applause of his parishioners.

The video from a service last Sunday at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church shows Rabbi Ralph Messer, a Messianic preacher, instructing two men to slowly wrap Bishop Eddie Long in a large scroll that’s purported to be the Torah.

“It doesn’t matter where you go, how you try to attack him. He’s sealed,” Messer proclaims, before the scroll is opened to reveal a teary-eyed Long. Moments later, Long was seated in a plush chair, covered in a prayer shawl while holding the sacred scroll and lifted by four men.

“He now is raised up from a commoner to a kingship,” Messer proclaims, as the men walk Long’s seat around an adoring crowd.

Messianic Jews believe that Jesus Christ, or Yeshua, is the Messiah, putting them at odds with traditional Jewish theology. Most Jews consider the faith to be a form of evangelical Christianity.

..The Torah is one of Judaism’s most sacred objects and Jewish groups said the notion that it was used in a ceremony at the church was offensive.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian
KEYWORDS: baptist; pentecostal
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1 posted on 02/05/2012 2:01:37 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

I had to laugh when I saw the video of Eddie Long being wrapped around with a scroll.

With the importance that Jews place upon their ancestry, there is no way they would risk tearing a scroll or rubbing some names out by mistake, by wrapping a king in a scroll during his coronation.


2 posted on 02/05/2012 2:14:13 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30; YukonGreen
well, he is funny! As YukonGreen pointed out, it does seem that 90% of the Pentecostal preachers are fakes and in it for personal wealth!

Check on youtube for "Eddie Long, cross it up!" -- it's funny!

3 posted on 02/05/2012 2:17:36 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos

This is a cult, not Christianity.


4 posted on 02/05/2012 2:34:17 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Cronos

I don’t really find false teachers to be funny. Perhaps I’m odd.


5 posted on 02/05/2012 4:18:03 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cronos

Is Rev Eddie still trolling for young boys?


6 posted on 02/05/2012 4:21:52 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (In the final analysis the trouble with Muslim democracy is the Muslims.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Did he see any letters flying up to heaven? You know, there is a macarbe precedent to being wrapped in a Torah:

“...Another sage martyred was Rabbi Haninah ben Teradion, who was wrapped in a Torah scroll and burned alive. Damp wool was packed into his chest to ensure he would not die quickly. When he was being burnt, he told his students that he could see the letters of the sacred torah “flying up” to heaven.”


7 posted on 02/05/2012 4:36:26 AM PST by Phinneous (Disgusting)
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To: Cronos

Does this kind of ceremony have any kind of historical precedent in Jewish or Christian history?


8 posted on 02/05/2012 4:36:26 AM PST by abishai
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To: driftdiver

There wouldn’t be any sense in being one if you couldn’t act like one.

King Eddie and his tribe pulled a few Jewish chains when they used a Torah, or at least the appearance of one to proclaim Eddie King, but the Jews still love them and will help elect Obama again.The Jews led the Civil Rights movement, the Jews love the ACLU,The Jews and the Democrat party are joined at the hip.

They might get a little upset once in a while at the goings on of a few blacks, but in the end they will still be with them, they are liberals and that is how liberals think.

The Jewish mind is impossible to fathom. Half the time they even stand against Israel in their support of Obama, and that I cannot understand.But being true Democrats appears to trump the Jewish religion and the Catholic religion, as Nancy Pelosi stands with Obama against her Church and prefers abortions to her alledged religion.

This coronation will soon be forgotten, and after all it was just fun and games to the child-like minds of its celebrants.


9 posted on 02/05/2012 4:46:23 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cronos
Wow! I just find it funny that protestants decry Catholicism for its ritual and pomp, but then some protestants come up with some truly bizarre off the wall stuff like this. At least Catholic ritual is based in scripture.

CC

10 posted on 02/05/2012 4:50:14 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from a lack of wisdom.)
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To: abishai

The closest that I know of is the martyrology that we read on Yom Kippur, in which one of the Jewish martyrs during the Hadrianic persecutions was wrapped in a torah scroll, and set afire by the Romans. Perhaps that is why some of my fellow Jews find the service to be offensive. I don’t. I just find it to be bizarre.


11 posted on 02/05/2012 4:51:57 AM PST by Daveinyork
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12 posted on 02/05/2012 4:55:28 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: Cronos

HA, cults. Later today a string-bedecked Jewish slattern will entertain at the Super Bowl while using a name which some Christians regard as sacred. Am I offended? NAH....I got better things to do.


13 posted on 02/05/2012 5:42:40 AM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: JoeDetweiler

Jews have enough problems without Roman Catholic Madonna Ciccone being assigned to them!


14 posted on 02/05/2012 6:30:28 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Cronos
I find the photo and story humorous, as I dub this "minister" a buffoon, an absurdity.

An "IGNORE" button should be pushed by religious leaders who only validate when they stoop to acknowledge this Minister Buffoon.

"Megachurch" ministers don't last long. They are like a version of a "Madonna" who shock then fade away with all the other stupidities that are a result of godless cultures.

15 posted on 02/05/2012 6:33:51 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Venturer
The Jewish mind is impossible to fathom.

Channelling David Duke these days?
16 posted on 02/05/2012 6:39:10 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: Jonty30

“I had to laugh when I saw the video of Eddie Long being wrapped around with a scroll.”

I have admit, I was thinking of the WWE’s King Booker when I saw it.


17 posted on 02/05/2012 6:43:23 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Celtic Conservative

“At least Catholic ritual is based in scripture. “


That’s a good one. Best laugh I’ve had in a long time. Catholicism is a combination of Christianity and voodoo.


18 posted on 02/05/2012 6:49:44 AM PST by Lucas McCain (The day may come when the courage of men will fail, but not this day.)
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To: AppyPappy

That’s probably an insult to Booker T. !


19 posted on 02/05/2012 6:51:48 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Cronos; All

This video shows he’s been doing this Torah traveling side show for at least 4 years. It’s a little over a minute long. Watch the whole thing to see what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Dlfj-Nljg&feature=related


20 posted on 02/05/2012 6:58:55 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: Tzfat

LOL, I knew someone would appear and not understand what I wrote.

Stating the facts does not make one anti-semitic any more than wondering why Maxine Waters hasn’t faced that ethics trial they keep saying one day she will face ,makes one a racist.

If you disagree with something there that I said, bring it up and let’s discuss it.


21 posted on 02/05/2012 7:12:30 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cronos

However bizarre their display might have been, it’s pretty safe to say it was not intended to offend Jews as they consider themselves Jews, whether or not they are accepted as such.

Too much stagecraft, too much showmanship, not enough understanding of that with which they seek to wrap themselves, imho.


22 posted on 02/05/2012 7:18:56 AM PST by RegulatorCountry (+)
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To: Celtic Conservative
They claim there was Scripture involved in this one ~ did you not see the words "Torah" and "scroll" in the news piece?

BTW, this sort of theatrical performance is definitely not part of Protestant "plain church" traditions ~ but you're right, it is POMP ~

23 posted on 02/05/2012 7:30:31 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cronos

Well, I’m not Jewish.....and I’M offended all to hell by this moron.

Guess he forgot, or never knew, that there is only ONE King that Christians acknowledge...let alone worship...and it ain’t his sorry black a**.


24 posted on 02/05/2012 7:36:58 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Venturer; Tzfat

No worries, Venturer......I knew precisely what you meant and couldn’t agree more.


25 posted on 02/05/2012 7:40:22 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Cronos

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2842267/posts?page=26#26


26 posted on 02/05/2012 7:45:21 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: RightOnline

Thank you.


27 posted on 02/05/2012 7:48:14 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer
You did not say "the liberal Jewish mind" "the American Jewish mind" "the Democrat Jewish mind" - you said "the Jewish mind." So you can understand how stupid your statement is, more Jews live in Israel than the U.S. Israeli Jews cannot stand Obama. So, do you understand "the Israeli Jewish mind"?

I am not Jewish, but with attitudes like yours, I CAN understand why some liberal Jews might think conservatives are jerks.
28 posted on 02/05/2012 9:20:29 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: Tzfat

Ask me if I give a good damn about what the “liberal”jew who supports Obama thinks about Conservatives.

Ask me if I give a good damn what any Liberal who supports Obama thinks about Conservatives.

I will be happy to tell you what I think about Liberals.
They are Idiots-—who see what is happening to our country and who see how Obama is dumping on Israel and still they back this Muslim fool.

You worry about what Liberal Jews think I have better things to do.They can KMA.


29 posted on 02/05/2012 11:37:37 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer
From your original post and your follow up, you clearly do not care what anyone thinks. You must think it is comforting to be so self assured. Thanks for clarifying your thought process.
30 posted on 02/05/2012 2:31:55 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Cronos

**Messianic Jews believe that Jesus Christ, or Yeshua, is the Messiah**

So do Catholics. I thought this was totally sacreligious.

Christ is the one and only King of Kings.


31 posted on 02/05/2012 2:37:06 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Tzfat

It’s ok glad to make you happy.


32 posted on 02/05/2012 2:54:37 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Lucas McCain

wuttzamatter...you disappove of ‘holy water’, and people kissing graven images, icons, etc.?


33 posted on 02/05/2012 3:22:23 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Lucas McCain

wuttzamatter...you disappove of ‘holy water’, and people kissing graven images, icons, etc.?


34 posted on 02/05/2012 3:22:32 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Cronos

This is blasphemy, pure and simple. Whether you’re Jewish or Christian.

There is only one “King” in Christianity.


35 posted on 02/05/2012 3:44:07 PM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Venturer

You mean, KMT.... kiss my tuchas. (with the ‘ch’ pronounced just like in Chanukah.)

Or in Yiddish, “kushin tuchas!”


36 posted on 02/05/2012 7:11:56 PM PST by Phinneous
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To: Lucas McCain
I was taught that if you can't say something nice the don't say anything. So,

CC

37 posted on 02/05/2012 7:40:46 PM PST by Celtic Conservative (Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from a lack of wisdom.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Wow — so Eddie Long is a Messianic J with beliefs like yours?


38 posted on 02/05/2012 9:50:26 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: RegulatorCountry; UriÂ’el-2012
as they consider themselves Jews,

I'm not sure about that -- Uri, do you guys consider yourselves Jews? And what about this coronation of Eddie?

39 posted on 02/05/2012 9:51:38 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Celtic Conservative

the thing is that they feel the need for solemnity in worship but instead of using what has always been used since Apostolic times they invent their own each time.


40 posted on 02/05/2012 9:59:00 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Ready4Freddy

you mean King Eddie :)


41 posted on 02/05/2012 9:59:42 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: driftdiver

youtube “Jessie Duplantis visits heaven” — Jessie goes to heaven and comforts Jesus.


42 posted on 02/05/2012 10:01:06 PM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos
The video from a service last Sunday at New Birth Missionary Baptist Church shows Rabbi Ralph Messer, a Messianic preacher, instructing two men to slowly wrap Bishop Eddie Long in a large scroll that’s purported to be the Torah.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

43 posted on 02/06/2012 3:28:40 AM PST by RegulatorCountry (+)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Just for thread info purposes - Messer’s not a bit Jewish and has had no formal rabbinical training. He’s a fraud and a disgrace to the Messianic community and the entire 9 min video - widely available on youtube - is appalling.


44 posted on 02/06/2012 8:02:13 AM PST by agrace
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To: Cronos; UriÂ’el-2012

Actually Eddie Long isn’t messianic, he’s just a regular megachurch leader currently on the hook for improper sexual contact with half a dozen boys and getting divorced over it. Ralph Messer is the “messianic” who was at Eddie’s church, crowning him “untouchable king,” the antics of which make ridiculous the notion that Messer knows the Torah at all.


45 posted on 02/06/2012 8:13:57 AM PST by agrace
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To: agrace

I’d stated upthread that he claimed to be Jewish, and that is accurate. He does claim to be.


46 posted on 02/06/2012 8:55:52 AM PST by RegulatorCountry (+)
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To: Cronos
Wow — so Eddie Long is a Messianic J with beliefs like yours?

Absolutely Not !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
47 posted on 02/06/2012 8:58:20 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Cronos
Wow — so Eddie Long is a Messianic J with beliefs like yours?

Absolutely Not !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
48 posted on 02/06/2012 8:58:49 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Cronos; RegulatorCountry
RC>as they consider themselves Jews,

I'm not sure about that -- Uri, do you guys consider yourselves Jews? And what about this coronation of Eddie?

Please review Ephesians - Chapter 2

Second : It was a Pagan Magic Show by Messner.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
49 posted on 02/06/2012 9:08:28 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: agrace; Cronos
Actually Eddie Long isn’t messianic, he’s just a regular megachurch leader currently on the hook for improper sexual contact with half a dozen boys and getting divorced over it. Ralph Messer is the “messianic” who was at Eddie’s church, crowning him “untouchable king,” the antics of which make ridiculous the notion that Messer knows the Torah at all.

Messer is a Messianic version of Joel Olsteen.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
50 posted on 02/06/2012 9:14:05 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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