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Priests Accused of Molesting Children Hiding in Plain Sight
NBC California ^ | 2/11/12 | Frank Snepp and Tara Kangarlou |

Posted on 02/11/2012 10:13:46 AM PST by RnMomof7

Some 200 Catholic priests suspected of sexual abuse are living undetected in communities across California, according to an attorney who represents hundreds of plaintiffs who sued the LA Archdiocese for molestation they say was inflicted on them by priests and clergy of the church.

Ray Boucher has mapped sixty locations where suspect priests live, in cities and towns from northern to southern California, and provided those locations to NBC4 exclusively.

“Many if not all these priests have admitted to sexual abuse,” Boucher said. “They live within a mile of 1,500 playgrounds, schools and daycare centers.”

Since none of the priests has actually been convicted of sex abuse, none can be identified under Megan’s Law, or their whereabouts revealed in related public databases.

“What the issue is here, is how you weigh the right of the people,” said Boucher, who is also one of the attorneys representing students in the Miramonte Elementary School sex abuse scandal. “In particular the right of children to be protected from molestation versus the right of privacy."

Among Boucher’s many clients in the church action are Manuel Vega and Dan Smith.

Vega is a former police officer from Oxnard who took special interest in sex crimes investigations because, he says, he was sexually abused as a teenager by his parish priest.

“He forced me to masturbate while he took pictures of me,” said Vega, who believes that the public is often too squeamish to recognize what child molestation actually entails – and thus not properly outraged by it.

“When we talk about sexual abuse we’re talking about sodomy,” he said. “There’s pubic hair, there’s sweat, there’re smells, there’re grunts.”

Dan Smith, another alleged abuse victim, is reeling from the recent collapse of his marriage which he blames in part on the psychological effects of the molestation he says he suffered as a child – at the hands of his local parish priest.

“He would rape me and then say this is what God’s love feels like,” Smith said, struggling to hold back tears more than twenty years after the alleged incidents.

Both men helped make legal history by joining 500 other plaintiffs in suing the LA Archdiocese for sexual molestation, with Boucher as their lead attorney.

In 2007 the LA Archdiocese reached an unprecedented $660 million settlement with many of the plaintiffs without admitting any wrong-doing.

It also agreed to let the courts decide which of the case-related church files should be made public, including those identifying alleged and admitted predators.

But according to Boucher and court documents, the Catholic Church has since engaged in a cover-up. By Boucher’s account, Church officials allowed priests suspected of sexually abusing children to retire, flee the country or hide in rehab clinics until the statute of limitations on prosecution ran out.

“What the church did is take these guys and send them off to facilities where they treat pedophile priests without ever alerting police,” Boucher said. “By enabling these priests to be hidden for so many years the church protected them from being prosecuted.”

Meanwhile legal disputes delayed the release of the promised personnel files, and Donald Steir, an attorney for several priests, went to court to argue that those who’ve been accused but no convicted should have their names and privacy protected.

“They are being punished as if they have been convicted, or at least that’s the desire – to punish them,” Steir said. “That’s not fair.”

“It’s difficult if you represent an alleged terrorist or a pedophile, because people don’t really care about the rights [including privacy rights] for these type of people,” Steir said. “But once we erode the rights of a group of people we don’t like, we effectively have started down a path where other people’s rights can be similarly denied.”

The courts, expressing concern for children, overruled most of these arguments and similar ones by the Archdiocese, which declined to comment for this story.

And a judge has ordered release of some personnel files, set for some time in the coming weeks. But he also credited the church for its increased sensitivity in dealing with molestation cases and decided to withhold the names of church officials who handled the earlier cases.

It is a ruling that reminds Boucher of the breakdown in accountability in the Penn state pedophile scandal. “Look at Penn State and see how important and significant it is when people in authority enable sexual abusers to continue,” Boucher said. “That underscores how significant it is to get these names out.”

Under the judge’s ruling the church can also keep secret, subject to further court review, the names of priests who have not been convicted and who have only one or two allegations against them or have allegations disputed by the church.

To Smith that seems like a formula for further cover-up by church officials.

“If their interests were to protect the kids, they would have released the documents,” Smith said. “As a parent not knowing who your neighbor is -- that is really scary.”

Many of these unidentified priests are included in Boucher’s location map.

“The danger” said Vega, “is that you have a person who has this sickness in them who is amongst the children.”

The plaintiffs in the church scandal are planning to appeal the latest rulings to assure broader disclosure of suspects’ names and locations. But Boucher warned this could take time, allowing suspects to keep their privacy protected, as well as their undetected presence in neighborhoods across California.


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1 posted on 02/11/2012 10:13:56 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov/Agencies/police/community/abuse.html

 

Facts About Child Abuse

Injured teddy bear.

  • 84 percent of prison inmates were abused as children.
  • One in three girls and one in five boys are sexually abused by an adult at some time during childhood. (Most sexual abusers are someone in the family or someone the child knows, not the proverbial stranger with a lollipop.)
  • Families with four or more children have higher rates of abuse and neglect, especially if their living conditions are crowded or they live in isolated areas.
  • More than 80 percent of abusers are a parent or someone close to a child. Child abuse is far more likely to occur in the child's home than in a day care center.
  • One in thirteen kids with a parent on drugs is physically abused regularly. (Drug and alcohol abuse in the family makes child abuse about twice as likely.)
  • One out of ten babies born today are born to mothers who are abusing drugs. Drinking and smoking heavily during pregnancy also endangers the health of unborn children.

2 posted on 02/11/2012 10:22:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286153,00.html

Sexual Abuse of Minors in Protestant Churches


3 posted on 02/11/2012 10:23:21 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

Too often, problem teachers are allowed to leave quietly. That can mean future abuse for another student and another school district.

“They might deal with it internally, suspending the person or having the person move on. So their license is never investigated,” says Charol Shakeshaft, a leading expert in teacher sex abuse who heads the educational leadership department at Virginia Commonwealth University.

It’s a dynamic so common it has its own nicknames—“passing the trash” or the “mobile molester.”

Laws in several states require that even an allegation of sexual misconduct be reported to the state departments that oversee teacher licenses. But there’s no consistent enforcement, so such laws are easy to ignore.

School officials fear public embarrassment as much as the perpetrators do, Shakeshaft says. They want to avoid the fallout from going up against a popular teacher. They also don’t want to get sued by teachers or victims, and they don’t want to face a challenge from a strong union.



4 posted on 02/11/2012 10:25:28 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7
Are these Protestant ministers and teachers doing the same?

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Report: Protestant Church Insurers Handle 260 Sex Abuse Cases a Year

Abuse by Protestant Ministers of Every Denomination

Child Sexual Molestation by Various Protestant Clergy

Baptist Predators website

"Yeshiva" of Brooklyn also Guilty of Child Abuse

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Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church

WHEN BOYS ARE MOLESTED BY TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY

 

Forgotten Study: Abuse in School 100 Times Worse than by Priests

 


5 posted on 02/11/2012 10:28:03 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; RnMomof7

Why is it that the defense put forth by Catholics is always “others do it too”? Does that somehow vindicate the problem with the priests? To be frank, when I see that defense my stomach churns. The insensetivity to the issue is apparent and indicative of the underlying justification of the coverups.


6 posted on 02/11/2012 10:35:49 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: RnMomof7

Wow! It sure didn’t take long for the war on religion to begin. Shockingly, NBC has put out an article villifying the Catholic church 1 day after they disagreed with the president. Shocking.


7 posted on 02/11/2012 10:39:59 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: RnMomof7

“live within a mile of 1,500 playgrounds, schools and daycare centers.”
Holy crap! 1500 per mile? We’ve got too many playgrounds!


8 posted on 02/11/2012 10:46:02 AM PST by Fireone (Gingrich/West 2012. (did I mention FUBO?))
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To: RnMomof7

it has descended into a witchhunt. This is shown by the rash actions of the LA school district which literally disbanded a school because several teachers were accused of molesting children. Suspicious has becomeguilt as Titus Oates abound in this land of ours.


9 posted on 02/11/2012 10:48:27 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Fireone
They live within a mile of 1,500 playgrounds, schools and daycare centers<.i>

It's pretty tough to not be within a mile of a playground, school or daycare.

12 posted on 02/11/2012 11:09:37 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: CynicalBear
Why is it that the defense put forth by Catholics is always “others do it too”? Does that somehow vindicate the problem with the priests? To be frank, when I see that defense my stomach churns.

The fact is, there are deviants in all walks of life. The rate is no higher among Catholic priests.

Your hatred of Catholic priests is the really story here.

13 posted on 02/11/2012 11:16:16 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; RnMomof7; CynicalBear
Your hatred of Catholic priests is the really story here.

Yes, that is precisely the point. What Salvation posted was not a "defense" but a refutation of the oft-repeated lie that this is a uniquely Catholic problem and therefore a weapon to be used to attack the Church.

when RnMomof7 posts about (accused) Calvinist pedophiliac ministers hiding in plain sight then I'll think otherwise. Until then it's an excuse to take a cheap shot at Catholicism, as though it were a coherent argument against what the churh teaches.

14 posted on 02/11/2012 11:29:51 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; metmom; jtal
>> The rate is no higher among Catholic priests.<<

The rate is no higher for a supposed man of God than for others? Are you listening to what you say? Are you truly saying there is no higher standard for supposed men of God than for any other? My word, I would be ashamed to claim title to that statement.

I stand by my original statement. Instead of outrage or calls for justice I hear “the rate is no higher among Catholic priests”. I’m stunned.

I can assure you that if the leadership of any organization I claimed membership in was found to have committed those atrocities I would not rest until justice was served and they no longer served in the capacity of any form of leadership. If that organization acted in the manner the RCC has I would understand that they did not in any way represent the one true God.

15 posted on 02/11/2012 12:08:11 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: RnMomof7

This was only a matter of time. And, gee, guess from where? Again, vague numbers, no convictions, no vetting of accusers, but, myohmy, lotsa umbrage. Meanwhile, its “newsworthiness” is nearly five years old!


16 posted on 02/11/2012 12:45:09 PM PST by Mach9
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17 posted on 02/11/2012 12:51:09 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: CynicalBear

Agreed. I don’t think there’s any more heinous crime than molestation unless it’s abortion.

Yet—despite numerous cases of recanters (Bernadin is just the most famous), no one ever seems to think that the accusers may be lying. It’s Duke LAX all over again. And that’s supposedly why we have courts. The Church ‘settles’ on many of these because of the scandal involved. I think that’s understandable. What isn’t understandable OR forgivable, for me, is accepting monetary settlements if you’ve got a decent case for conviction, or if all you’re really concerned about is the monetary settlement. If you’ve got a real case, adjudicate; don’t prostitute yourselves. Yes, I’m blaming the so-called victims, too. If these “victims” truly were molested and were truly concerned about other children, they’d prosecute, and jail the bastards. None of these plaintiffs apparently took that route.


18 posted on 02/11/2012 12:55:33 PM PST by Mach9
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The fact is, there are deviants in all walks of life. The rate is no higher among Catholic priests.

You don't know that at all...The only ones you are aware of are those who the Vatican wasn't able to hide in time...

19 posted on 02/11/2012 1:27:23 PM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: CynicalBear
The insensetivity to the issue is apparent and indicative of the underlying justification of the coverups. WOW! I guess that's one way to spin it.

What happened in the Church was heinous. So is the abuse that takes place outside it. One thing the Church has done is to take steps to protect children, whereas most schools and other denominations have not gone to the great lengths many parishes and dioceses have done.

You can't win if you're Catholic based on the threads I've read here today. We're apparently defending child molesters if we show loyalty to the priesthood. We're accused of laying down on the adoption issue if we run out of legal options. Our bishops are accused of supporting socialized medicine even though the USCCB opposed Obamacare (advocacy for universal access isn't necessarily advocacy for government control). They're accused of cozying up for government money (Were Catholic hospitals supposed to discriminate against Medicare/Medicaid patients? Or display poor stewardship by turning down resources intended to defray the cost of meeting government mandates in the first place?)

Right now CATHOLIC BISHOPS are taking enormous heat for standing up for the right of each and every American to be FREE OF COERCION from the latest Obamacare mandate. And still, it's not enough. I guess some folks find Catholic bashing good sport :( Makes me even more grateful for the protestant leaders and laity (of all faiths and no faith) who've chosen to stand beside us.

20 posted on 02/11/2012 1:28:33 PM PST by JustMeMcGee
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To: Mach9; metmom; RnMomof7; smvoice

I’m dumbfounded. That thing you just posted has left me speechless. No comment is needed for those who can’t see the utter evil contained in that shameless justification for what has happened in the RCC.


21 posted on 02/11/2012 1:39:08 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: JustMeMcGee

Anti-Catholicism has always been good sport here in America. Nowadays, they just use popular media to do it, rather than the legal system (see Blaine Amendments).


22 posted on 02/11/2012 1:39:08 PM PST by caldera599
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To: CynicalBear
The rule has become to be accused or even suspected is to be guilty. Ironically enough, the chief accusers are the great defenders of sexuality as a human right. Among gays , buggery is an act of love, except when a priest is accused of it. Yet if the Church is guilty of anything it has been its laxity in screening gays from ordination. Indeed, now that the Church is tightening its discipline , it is all the more accused. The howls against the Church have become especially loud since Benedict XV, the bete noir of liberal Catholics has taken the seat of St, Peter.
23 posted on 02/11/2012 1:39:12 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Iscool

And how is it that YOU know these things? The fact is that you only suspect because you are suspicious of everything Catholic.


24 posted on 02/11/2012 1:44:11 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS

Oh those poor, poor priests.


25 posted on 02/11/2012 1:49:29 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
I’m dumbfounded. That thing you just posted has left me speechless. No comment is needed for those who can’t see the utter evil contained in that shameless justification for what has happened in the RCC.

Nothing to see here. Move along, move along......

Interesting the differences in reaction between those evil heretic Protestants and the holier than thou Catholics.

When it's a Protestant minister, the calls BY PROTESTANTS are for prosecution, a fair and speedy trial, jail time, and advocating of stripping of the guy's credentials.

When it's a Catholic priest, the knee jerk reaction by Catholics is *everybody else is doing it too* and *once a priest, always a priest*. Never mind what the Scripture the Catholic church claims it wrote has to say about the immoral brother.

1 Corinthians 5

How ironic that the church which should be setting the example in moral behavior by not conforming to the world is just like the world in it's character.

26 posted on 02/11/2012 1:50:18 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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27 posted on 02/11/2012 1:54:09 PM PST by narses
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To: CynicalBear

They are “poor,poor priests” if they have been falsely accused. A lawyer who with his clients stands to profit from accusation will accuse as many people as he can. The tendency is to strip away the rights of many of the accused. The statute of limitations has been amended to allow accusations for deeds performed decades again, which is a terrible practice. Accusations of pedofilia have been brought against men who have done the equivalent of touching a woman’s breast. Others against young men who have had carnal knowledge with other young men. In fact 80% of the convictions have been of relations of this sort. Yet the issue of homosexuality is never brought up. So we have the paradox of a society with opinion inflamed against priests for homosexual acts which applauds those who take part in Gay Rights parades and will that very night engage in similar acts. People talk about hypocrisy. Well this is hypocrisy of the highest sort. To deplore what some priests do and tolerate what most other homosexuals do.


28 posted on 02/11/2012 2:07:12 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: metmom

Poppycock.You are talking about high profile preachers who get caught. What is the usual practice of congregational churches? To discharge the pastor in order to avoid a split, because he will have his defenders. He will then go away, and is able either to find a new pulpit, or go off and start his own church. He must be discreet of course, but he has little to worry about because a deal has been made just to let him go, A Catholic priest, by contrast, remains a clerk within the Church until he is formally removed. Hence it is possible to trance his history if prosecutors can gain access to the books. With most Protestant churches, the record will have been purged, as part of the deal.


29 posted on 02/11/2012 2:15:52 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS; CynicalBear; metmom
"To deplore what some priests do and tolerate what most other homosexuals do."

With one important difference: when were homosexuals outside the church given the power to retain or remit the sins of their victims? When did the homosexuals outside the church claim the ability to change wafer and wine into the body and blood of Christ? When were homosexuals outside the church held up to be an alter christus?

30 posted on 02/11/2012 2:16:44 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: metmom
The Church has always consisted of saints and sinners. And certainly the Church has been the last to conform to the world. Most other Christian bodies have long ago, accepted

in principle easy divorce and birth control, and now homosexuality.

31 posted on 02/11/2012 2:24:07 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Iscool
You don't know that at all...The only ones you are aware of are those who the Vatican wasn't able to hide in time...

You don't know that at all... You just make stuff up based upon your hatred and conspiracy delusions.

32 posted on 02/11/2012 2:30:16 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: RobbyS

I really, really, really don’t want to hear any more of justification. Stand with your priest if you want but please don’t ever think you are going to get me to feel anything but contempt.


33 posted on 02/11/2012 2:38:20 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice

I’m utterly stunned that Catholics obfuscate, make excuses, justify, and do whatever they can to take the heat off the priests and totally miss the fact that these men are supposed to be “from God” or even “vicar of Christ”. Yeah right. If that isn’t cultish activity and attitude I don’t know what is.


34 posted on 02/11/2012 2:43:29 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: smvoice

The Church does not ordain open-homosexuals,unlike other Christian bodies, so what you say is nonsense. We also have had priests are adulterers, fornicators, drunks, thieves, and even murders. I personally do not think that homosexual acts are necessarily worse than any of these crimes against God and the Church. One must indeed take care to avoid confessing to a priest of known bad character, but I do not believe that his sin strips away his power to absolve, for though he may have the right to withhold absolution, it is not he who actually absolves, but the Church . Confession is an act of humbling oneself, a good thing in itself, and we rest assured in believing that whatever the character of the man behind the screen, that God knows our hearts, and that the priest has been given the power to absolve.


35 posted on 02/11/2012 2:45:55 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: CynicalBear; smvoice
I’m utterly stunned that Catholics obfuscate, make excuses, justify, and do whatever they can to take the heat off the priests and totally miss the fact that these men are supposed to be “from God” or even “vicar of Christ”. Yeah right. If that isn’t cultish activity and attitude I don’t know what is.

Yeah, the victims are all liars, dontcha know?

36 posted on 02/11/2012 2:50:06 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear
A lot of this is a reaction to the piling on, the exaggeration, the venom, and yes, the unfairness. If I can found lying drunk and hauled off to jail, am I more of a sinner than the man who drinks himself into a stupor in his own room? The public scandal is the problem, but the constant sandal-mongering, and digging up dirt. The Catholic Church is subjected to this, but other institutions not so much. A Catholic diocese is robbed of millions by lawyers, but the local school board gets Scot free by simply letting worse offenders flee into the night. The irony being that that board can be sued for praying at school board meetings but not for concealing the crimes of its employees, because it is a sovereign institution. To be sure, the priest scandal caused others to be put under closer scrutiny, but no one goes after the schools with the ferocity and energy as they go after the Church.For the Church is hated for other reasons, and the Schools. not.
37 posted on 02/11/2012 3:00:20 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Mach9; CynicalBear

We have seen how Rome dispenses justice ..they had the perps


38 posted on 02/11/2012 3:02:05 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Salvation; CynicalBear

Did the others hide the crime? Did they move them around? Did the send them to Rome or Tx to let the clock run out? Rome is Guilty


39 posted on 02/11/2012 3:04:21 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: metmom

And some are. When someone comes forward forty years later because be was “pinked” by a priest now dead and is taken seriously, then this shows that something more is at work than a desire for justice.


40 posted on 02/11/2012 3:04:45 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: RobbyS
>> The Catholic Church is subjected to this, but other institutions<<

Do the other “institutions” parade themselves as representatives of Christ? If others don’t see what you are doing as pathetic be advised that I certainly do.

41 posted on 02/11/2012 3:08:11 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: jtal; E. Pluribus Unum; CynicalBear; metmom
when RnMomof7 posts about (accused) Calvinist pedophiliac ministers hiding in plain sight then I'll think otherwise. Until then it's an excuse to take a cheap shot at Catholicism, as though it were a coherent argument against what the church teaches.

When you find an example of Presbyterians or Methodists or Lutherans sending the offenders away, hiding them til the statues of limitations runs out ..then we will discuss this .

42 posted on 02/11/2012 3:09:14 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
When you find an example of Presbyterians or Methodists or Lutherans sending the offenders away, hiding them til the statues of limitations runs out...

What is a "statue of limitations," ignoramus?

43 posted on 02/11/2012 3:10:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: RnMomof7

And have Protestant churches not simply get preachers go off to other climes in order to avoid scandal? Growing up in a small Southern town, I personally know of at least four instances of this. I also remember the small “Bible” Baptist church that my grandmother attended, whose young pastor skipped out with the money for the building funds, in which my grandmother had put donating she could not afford. All institutions have such thieves.


44 posted on 02/11/2012 3:10:59 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: metmom

This article shocked me..the sheer number in one diocese that are still in ministry ..says it all .. In my dioceses I knew 3 offenders personally ..and actually liked them.. when two of them were caught they “retired “ and moved to Fla ..The other was sent for alcohol tx ..even thought the young man tried to commit suicide


45 posted on 02/11/2012 3:12:33 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: CynicalBear

Well, the Catholic Church claims to be Christ’s Church. But here you now claim that the Church is a criminal ,organization. Open your own books to the law and see if they find you innocent of all crime. IRS probably could send you to jail for many innocent evasions. I say that because the Church has been subjected to such close scrutiny that it amounts to persecutions in some cases. The prosector has even demanded an autopsy of a very aged Cardinal so as to rule out suicide/murder. This sort of fever is dangerous, because it is a dangerous to the liberty of all churches when prosectors so undercut the rights of mine.


46 posted on 02/11/2012 3:25:05 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Mach9

Catholics seem to love their preditor ‘priests,’ judging by the posts to this thread.

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47 posted on 02/11/2012 4:03:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: RobbyS; CynicalBear; metmom
Ah, so it's the "Church" that forgives sin. ?

"One must indeed take care to avid confessing to a priest of known bad character, but I do not believe that his sin strips away his power to absolve, for though he may have THE RIGHT TO WITHHOLD ABSOLUTION, it is not he who actually absolves, BUT THE CHURCH."

"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with HIM, HAVING FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES." (Col. 2:13).

Did Christ pay the full penalty for our sins?

48 posted on 02/11/2012 4:39:45 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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WHY can they not see the particular heinousness of pedophile priests??? I cannot wrap my mind around why they are missing the very simple point of WHY it such a disgrace. These people shout from the rooftops that they were chosen by Christ to build His church, and the gates of hell, blah, blah..The power they claim they were given by Christ, the responsibility, the respect they demand as "representatives of Christ" and "authors of God's Word", etc. There is no other group on the face of this earth that claim that kind of power, straight from God. And yet, they hide behind Rome's skirts and claim "everyone does it" when caught.

Remitting or retaining sins. The eucharist. The mass. Praying to dead saints. Sacraments. Rosaries. Pomp. Circumstance. And yet with all that "power" and "glory" they simply cannot understand why power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. All they can do is clear their throats, and warn people they should be "aware" of bad priests..What does that even mean?

The absolute proof that God did NOT ordain the Catholic Church as His Church is their actions for the last 2000 years. God does not subsidize deceit, false doctrine, hypocrisy, false piousness, or forms of godliness that have nothing to do with the finished work of Christ.

49 posted on 02/11/2012 5:02:36 PM PST by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: Salvation; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; metmom
Sexual Abuse of Minors in Protestant Churches

Disclaimer: Story written by an actual ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST.

Not exactly an unbiased source.

For example, the artilce states:

three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy

and then goes on to say

the Catholic Church has reported that since 1950, 13,000 “credible accusations” have been brought against Catholic clerics (about 228 per year.)

Note the difference. Insurance companies reporting claims, which may or may not be "credible." The other is the Roman Catholic Church self reporting and determining what is and is not credible. The issue is that the Roman Catholic Church has been covering this scandal up for decades, so why do we trust Rome's sudden self disclosure?

AND the issue put forth by the Prods on FR has NEVER been the rape of children by Papist clergy, but the cover-up. Had the Catholic Church conducted itself in a responsible manner and turned the priests over to the authorities as opposed to shuffling them from one unsuspecting congregation to another we wouldn't be having this ongoing discussion.

The interesting thing about these discussion is who FRoman Catholics tend to downplay this tragedy. The claim it's the homosexuals (who were ordained by Rome). It was a teenager who was molested (as if that makes it better). It's Catholic bashing (as if Prods forced the rapes).

The difference here is that the vast majority of Protestant clergy rapes on children results in the wolf in sheep's clothing receiving jail time. We rejoice that justice has been carried out. When one falls through the cracks and is allowed to remain in the pulpit we howl in protest that the entire church leadership should be held accountable.

On FR it is, and has always been, an issue of the coverup. Very few FRoman Catholics will own up to the fact.

50 posted on 02/11/2012 5:08:21 PM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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