To the extent that you have been called out for the dishonest poster that you are, and as much as you might wish it wasnt about you, this article in fact is all very much about you and people like you
Care to address any of the points I made.
Moth to flame: read and learn.
Hitler was a Creationist who believed in fixed kinds.
Whether you realize it or not, everyone is a creationist (or Creationist, depending upon the esteem one holds that entity/Entity which created him). You see, whether you just spoke and brought yourself into existence (as Jesus Christ did the entire Universe), or by some intelligent mechanism of your own design if you created yourself supposedly without any Divine help -- you are a creationist. Get used to it.
Maybe that simple concept has escaped you until now, but from this point forward you are without excuse unless of course your dishonesty insists that you continue fooling yourself.
You are a creationist in very much the same way Hitler or even Darwin was a creationist:
1. Like Hitler, you believe your Creator is not the God of the Bible.
2. Like Hitler, you believe you are your own Creator not that either you or he in spite of your self-adulatory collective brilliance could possibly tell anyone how it was that either of you brought yourselves into existence
3. As your own Creators you mistakenly believe you are the masters of your own destinies, and answerable only to your megalomaniacal selves.
4. Hitler called himself a Christian much like you do, but Hitler, like you, do/did not claim to be created by the God of the Bible. This is because the Bible declares that the Creator of the Universe and all life is Jesus Christ Himself -- who you reject, of course, even as did Hitler.
5. You are a Christian in name only, even as RINOs are Republicans in name only.
6. One is a Christian-In-Name-Only when one does not affirm what Jesus Christ claimed about Himself: The Truth, Creator, Son of God, and Redeemer of His Creation.
7. Hitler also a Christian-in-Name Only pathologically lied to himself and to those around him again, much like yourself.
8. Darwin, at one time claimed to be a Christian, but ultimately rejected Biblical authority, much as you have.
9. Darwins writing manifests little to no original thought, much like yours does.
10. Darwin surprisingly enough manifested enough humility to admit that if credible evidence of reproducing transitional forms didnt exist, his whole premise was toast. Remarkably, its his philosophical inheritors like yourself who have hitched your self-worth to this failed premise, and who cant seem able to let go in face of all the failure, because to do so upends your whole identity. The facts be damned its an ego and intellectual self-preservation thing for you now. It never was about science. In your case it is merely survival of the petty ego.
Biblical Creationists like myself have been calling out Christians-In-Name-Only like yourself on these boards for years. If you do not believe what Jesus Christ says and conduct yourself as though you do, you simply are not by any biblical definition a Christian.
The Soviet Communists rejected Darwin's theory in favor of a Lamarkian mechanism.
Comrade, get it through your head. Darwinism, Owen-ism, Wallace-ism, Hobbes-ism, Lamark-ism, Gobineau-ism, Spenser-ism, Plato-ism, Aristotle-ism, Haeckel-ism, Huxley-ism, Lyell-ism, Galton-ism, Sanger-ism are all joined at the hip of evolutionary self-transformation with all the self-importance attached to establishing an exalted elite, -- a human super-race beyond some supposedly lesser -- and exploitable predicate others.
"Darwinism" and by extension, "applied Darwinism," and "social Darwinism" in todays parlance has come to mean the singular embodiment of survival-of-the-fittest, might-makes-right philosophy that has underpinned every philosophy that has sprung from the concept: Das Kapital to the Descent of Man to Mein Kampf. Social Darwinism informs crony capitalism as much as it ever informed Margaret Sangers Negro Project. The Soviet Union survived as long as it did, because Western crony capitalism allowed for it to survive.
Some Commies rejected the term Darwinism largely on the basis of its use by crony capitalists of the time to justify English hegemony and the global political power projected by it, and with it, Englands regents who were cousins to the deposed Romanovs. Contrasting Darwinian with Lamarkian evolution is a distinction without a difference.
Will you also try to say that Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto did not inform the political and social system, which became the Soviet Union, in spite of the fact Marx credited Darwin with the biological rationale for his political theory and youll do so all because some latter-day Reds were jealous of the powerful, well-heeled Brits? Get some historical perspective before you post such amateurish drool.
Creationists claim to not accept evolution and the (semi)common descent of species - except when they helpfully explain how it all happened at many hundreds of times the rate observed in evolutionary biology.
Biblical creationists say no such thing. Youve transited from a polluted stream of consciousness into a world of babbling incoherent nonsense.
Creationists claim to accept micro-evolution when they fell [sic.] it is politic to do so
I never use the term micro-evolution, because it tends to confuse people just like you. The correct concept is that of adaptation, because the organism is merely calling upon information with which it has been programmed by its Creator to adapt and to cope with its environment. You keep playing your politics with all the failed polemics and biblical Creationists will continue to do the credible, truth-seeking science.
but then helpfully explain how any such mechanism is absolutely impossible - and that every useful DNA variation that ever existed was created and placed in the genome of the primordial kinds.
Primordial is a term of the evolutionists art, as in the oft referenced, primordial soup -- a la Miller and Ureys failed abiogenesis experiments of the early 50s. It is not a term Biblical creationists either need or use. You have to accept the fact that your premise of evolution requires an abiogenetically-derived system, belching forth directive biological information for processes not yet brought into existence, or equipped in any predicate fashion to either interpret or to act upon the messenger RNA thereof.
Its like designing and launching a computer program driver into the ozone in search of a program that has yet to be written for a purpose that yet has to establish any rationale for its existence. You have failed to identify first cause or the predicate rationale for any of your evolutionary premise. Whats the purpose?
And if one must call upon sentient rationale, is one not now forced to speak of an Intelligent Designer to establish the First cause and from it the rationale behind the Creation of anything?
Your evolutionary premise gives you no reason for existing apart from your inherent meaninglessness. In your world you can create yourself without a predicate rationale for doing so and you can therefore pretend to be anything you want to be on this board a conservative, perhaps, or maybe even posturing as a Christian.
You can fool yourself. You can lie to others. Fools dont last for long on FR and liars are often dispatched with extreme prejudice around here.
And are Creationists incapable of standing behind their own words without pinging a dozen or more of their amen chorus?
Your FReeper sign up date says Aug 1, 2007, but most of us have long suspected that you are nothing more than a retread from the Darwin Central days, posting under a newer name. You waited long enough past the 2006 flushing of the Darwin Central cabal, but you and a few others have come back under newer names as the bowl floaters on the Board.
Most of that amen chorus of writhing, whining, space-cadet, Gollum-gasbagged, materialistic Darwinians were banned to the perdition of their respective chat rooms for atheists and the DU blog site long ago.
If you are finding yourself outnumbered by true conservatives around here, well, looks like youll just have to get used that.
The reasoning resident within all that ejacu-gelato splooge between your ears is likely to find a more receptive audience somewhere other than here.
Feel free to go there.
Chewed him up and spat him out........
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
That was one of the most well conceived and executed posts I have yet seen.
“ejacu-gelato splooge between your ears” Agamemnon
An example of what passes for reasonable discourse among Creationists.
So true: Darwin did say that about the [paleontologically still missing] "transitional forms"; e.g., in the pre-Cambrian....
What I don't understand is how and why a person would want to derive his entire sense of self-identity and self-worth from a scientific theory that rests on shaky evidentiary grounds. It's as if such folks absolutely refuse to let Darwin's theory be wrong. But if it is "false," so is the psyche constructed on it....
Or so it seems to me, FWIW.
Dear Agamemnon, you wrote:
Absolutely outstanding observation Agamemnon!I never use the term micro-evolution, because it tends to confuse people just like you. The correct concept is that of adaptation, because the organism is merely calling upon information with which it has been programmed by its Creator to adapt and to cope with its environment.
Kudos to you for this simply outstanding essay/post!
Darwin firmly believed in the inheritance of acquired characters and he even developed a theory, Pangenesis, to explain why it happens. Darwin even believed that the effects of circumcision can be inherited. Lysenko wanted to return to this kind of theory of heredity. He, in fact, wanted to rescue Darwin from bourgeois perverters of the science of heredity such as Morgan and Mendel. Mendel in particular because he was a priest. Morgan because he was critical of Darwin.
JBS Haldane, one of the founding fathers of the modern synthesis of evolution, was stalinist and a shill for Lysenko.