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Darwinism the root of the culture of death: expert
LifeSiteNews ^ | 2/17/12 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 02/17/2012 4:17:50 PM PST by wagglebee

WASHINGTON, February 17, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - What do Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, “father of the sexual revolution” Alfred Kinsey, Lenin, and Hitler have in common?

All these pioneers of what some call the culture of death rooted their beliefs and actions in Darwinism - a little-known fact that one conservative leader says shouldn’t be ignored.

Hugh Owen of the Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation told an audience on Capitol Hill before the March for Life last month that the philosophical consequences of Darwinism has “totally destroyed many parts of our society.”

Owen pointed to Dr. Josef Mengele, who infamously experimented on Jews during the Holocaust, Hitler himself, and other Nazi leaders as devotees of Darwinism who saw Nazism and the extermination of peoples as nothing more than a way “to advance evolution.” Darwinism was also the “foundation” of Communist ideology in Russia through Vladimir Lenin, said Owen, who showed a photograph of the only decorative item found on Lenin’s desk: an ape sitting on a pile of books, including Darwin’s “Origin of Species,” and looking at a skull.

“Lenin sat at this desk and looked at this sculpture as he authorized the murder of millions of his fellow countrymen, because they stood in the way of evolutionary progress,” Owen said. He also said accounts from communist China report that the first lesson used by the new regime to indoctrinate religious Chinese citizens was “always the same: Darwin.”

In America, the fruit of Darwinism simply took the form of eugenics, the belief that the human race could be improved by controlling the breeding of a population.

Owen said that Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, a prominent eugenicist, promoted contraception on the principles of evolution. “She saw contraception as the sacrament of evolution, because with contraception we get rid of the less fit and we allow only the fit to breed,” he said. Sanger is well-known to have supported the spread of “birth control,” a term she coined, as “the process of weeding out the unfit.”

Alfred Kinsey, whose “experiments” in pedophilia, sadomasochism, and homosexuality opened wide the doors to sexual anarchy in the 20th century, also concluded from Darwinist principles that sexual deviations in humans were no more inappropriate than those found in the animal kingdom. Before beginning his sexual experiments, Kinsey, also a eugenicist, was a zoologist and author of a prominent biology textboook that promoted evolution.

Owen, a Roman Catholic, strongly rejected the notion that Christianity and the Biblical creation account could be reconciled with Darwinism. He recounted the story of his own father, who he said was brought up a devout Christian before losing his faith when exposed to Darwinism in college. He was to become the first ever Secretary General of the International Planned Parenthood Federation.

“The trajectory that led from Leeds and Manchester University to becoming Secretary General of one of the most evil organizations that’s ever existed on the face of the earth started with evolution,” said Owen.


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To: MrB; metmom; allmendream; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...
I feel this to be an adequate overall explanation of the differences of viewpoint, so any further “strawmanning” on your part will be taken to be simple dishonesty.

Very well and very clearly stated, MrB.

"allmendream" has shown himself historically to be one of the more simplistically dishonest, if not cognitively bereft posters on this board in general and on this topic specifically.

A moth to the flame.

FReegards!


161 posted on 02/22/2012 6:51:38 AM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: MrB; metmom; allmendream; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...
I feel this to be an adequate overall explanation of the differences of viewpoint, so any further “strawmanning” on your part will be taken to be simple dishonesty.

Very well and very clearly stated, MrB.

"allmendream" has shown himself historically to be one of the more simplistically dishonest, if not cognitively bereft posters on this board in general and on this topic specifically.

A moth to the flame.

FReegards!


162 posted on 02/22/2012 6:51:38 AM PST by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Agamemnon
This isn't about me.

Care to address any of the points I made.

Hitler was a Creationist who believed in fixed kinds.

The Soviet Communists rejected Darwin's theory in favor of a Lamarkian mechanism.

Creationists claim to not accept evolution and the (semi)common descent of species - except when they helpfully explain how it all happened at many hundreds of times the rate observed in evolutionary biology.

Creationists claim to accept ‘micro’-evolution when they fell it is politic to do so - but then helpfully explain how any such mechanism is absolutely impossible - and that every useful DNA variation that ever existed was created and placed in the genome of the primordial “kinds”.

And are Creationists incapable of standing behind their own words without pinging a dozen or more of their amen chorus?

163 posted on 02/22/2012 7:00:21 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: spirited irish
Thank you so very much for your outstanding essay-post, dear sister in Christ!
164 posted on 02/22/2012 8:44:04 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: wagglebee

The writer is clearly not an expert if he attacks the fictions and non existent group he labeled as Darwinist.

The term Darwinist is a straw man established to have a basis for promulgating dogma


165 posted on 02/22/2012 8:49:37 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: MrB

Thank you so very much for your outstanding essay-post, dear MrB!


166 posted on 02/22/2012 8:50:30 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: bert
I am not sure that is true. I am reading Jonah Goldberg's, Liberal Fascism, in which Jonah describes the Progressive view of the constitution as Darwinist, organic. In other words a living document that must evolve to survive. I haven't read the article, so I cannot address how the term is used in the article. If you haven't read, Liberal Fascism, I highly recommend it. The relevancy to the election issues is just stunning, especially the progressive goal of killing off individualism and personal achievement (leveling the playing field).
167 posted on 02/22/2012 9:00:59 AM PST by Eva
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To: allmendream; Agamemnon; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; trisham; spirited irish
Hitler was a Creationist who believed in fixed kinds.

This is a claim you've made throughout this thread, but you haven't actually substantiated it.

Here are the FACTS:

Those who believe in Creation believe that God created man in His Image and after His Likeness. Got it? People who believe in Creation believe that HUMAN BEINGS ARE CREATED BY GOD, IN HIS IMAGE.

Hitler, on the other hand, directed that nearly 10 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS be put to death.

The FACTS simply do not support your undocumented hypothesis.

But, once again, this thread is not and never has been about creationism vs. evolution, it is about DARWINISM and Darwinism's deadly legacy. This is a subject that makes devotees of evolution cringe and go off on all sorts of tangents to avoid discussing.

I do notice that you have completely avoided Margaret Sanger. Do you doubt that she was a Darwinist? Her grim death toll is on a level that dwarfs those of Hitler, Stalin and Mao COMBINED.

Here are a few of her quotes, that you may want to consider:

T"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control."

"Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."

"Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems."

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."

Feel free to reply if you can get back on topic.

168 posted on 02/22/2012 9:18:16 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
No? You don't think Hitler's own words substantiate that he believed in fixed kinds and that he was created in God's image?

“A goose will always remain a goose” is pretty clear to any but the deliberately obtuse.

“the highest image of God” is pretty clear to any but the deliberately obtuse.

Did you not read or remember the quotes I provided? Your inability to deal with them doesn't mean they do not exist.

“This urge for the maintenance of the unmixed breed, which is a phenomenon that prevails throughout the whole of the natural world, results not only in the sharply defined outward distinction between one species and another but also in the internal similarity of characteristic qualities which are peculiar to each breed or species. The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger.” Hitler

“Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise. ” Hitler

“it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will” Hitler

How do you reconcile the lies in this article with the direct quotes from Hitler that show that he believed in fixed kinds and that his race was created by God in the image of God?

169 posted on 02/22/2012 9:24:57 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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direct quotes from Hitler that show that he believed in fixed kinds and that his race was created by God in the image of God?

This isn't at all what people who believe in Creation believe, not even close.

Any thoughts on the Sanger quotes?

170 posted on 02/22/2012 10:34:28 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The Hitler quotes you are getting are irrelevant or misleading. One who controls the dictionary controls the debate. For instance, unborn children are obsessively called "fetuses" which dehumanizes them. So a liberal can say "for the children" as long as "children" means to the public what he intends, relegating fetuses to subhuman status.

Consider the philosopher Alfred Rosenberg who inspired the racial attitudes of Nazi Germany. He was anti-Christian and a supporter of Positive Christianity as a step to the ultimate goal of a Reich Church.

Some Nazi leaders, such as Martin Bormann, were anti-Christian and sympathetic to Rosenberg.[34] Once in power, however, Hitler and most Nazi leaders sought to unify the Christian denominations in favor of "positive Christianity." They privately complained about Rosenberg's radical, openly anti-Christian views[citation needed]; they also did not support small neo-pagan groups that were seeking parity with Christianity, which Rosenberg encouraged. However, Goebbels and Hitler both agreed that after the Endsieg (Final Victory) the Reich Church should be pressed into evolving into a German social evolutionist organisation proclaiming the cult of race, blood and battle, instead of Redemption and the Ten Commandments of Moses, which they deemed outdated and Jewish.[35]

Wikipedia on Rosenberg

Positive Christianity (German: Positives Christentum) was a movement within Nazi Germany which blended ideas of racial purity with Christian doctrine. It was adopted as part of the official party doctrine at the NSDAP congress in 1920 to express a worldview which was Christian, non-confessional, vigorously opposed to the spirit of "Jewish Materialism", and oriented to the principle of voluntary association of those with a common racial-ethnic background.[1]

Wikipedia on Positive Christianity

According to Rosenberg's well received and politically convenient philosophy, those who did not have Nordic traits, e.g. Jews and Hungarians, were deemed untermensch following eugenicist Lothrop Stoddard's teaching. The term means "sub human."

They were not killing humans by this philosophy just like abortionists think they are not killing humans.


171 posted on 02/22/2012 10:40:10 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: wagglebee
Fixed kinds and created in the image of God is EXACTLY what Creationists believe in.

The Creationists of the KKK proposed ‘multiple Adams’ and other claptrap theology to explain that ALL humans didn't share common descent, and only SOME were actually the “image of God”.

Racism and Creationism have been frequent bedfellows.

Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that his race was created in the image of God.

That you say I didn’t substantiate that doesn't speak well of your honesty.

172 posted on 02/22/2012 10:49:10 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Agamemnon; metmom; betty boop; trisham; spirited irish
How very true dear sister in Christ!

It is quite easy to justify killing the innocent when they are simply defined as something other than human beings.

Ironically, the Bible makes NO ALLOWANCE for different "species" of man, there are the Chosen People of God, but they aren't any "more human" than those not chosen.

Therefore, belief in "subhumans" or other such nonsense REQUIRES a person to accept Darwinian evolutionary thinking.

173 posted on 02/22/2012 10:54:27 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Alamo-Girl
“A fox will always remain a fox” is neither irrelevant or misleading to the FACT that Hitler believed in fixed kinds, as is typical of Creationists.

“the highest image of God” is neither irrelevant or misleading to the FACT that Hitler believed mankind was CREATED in the image of God, as is typical of Creationists.

What is very relevant and very illustrative - is that the author of this article couldn't make it a single paragraph into his illogical argument of guilt by association and appeal to consequences without a BIG FAT UGLY LIE.

But go ahead and defend the BIG FAT UGLY LIE.

It speaks volumes about the honesty and integrity of Creationists.

174 posted on 02/22/2012 10:55:26 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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The Creationists of the KKK proposed ‘multiple Adams’ and other claptrap theology to explain that ALL humans didn't share common descent, and only SOME were actually the “image of God”.

So, now you are equating those who believe the Bible with the KKK. How telling.

Racism and Creationism have been frequent bedfellows.

Yet the only examples you cite are from avowed eugenicists.

Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that his race was created in the image of God.

Again, this has NOTHING to do with Biblical beliefs in Creation.

That you say I didn’t substantiate that doesn't speak well of your honesty.

My unwillingness to accept a few out-of-context quotes as supposed proof against a mountain of evidence to the contrary somehow makes me "dishonest"?

Still no interest in tackling Margaret Sanger? After all, SHE is the biggest murderer of them all, her legacy is responsible for more deaths each year than Hitler's and Stalin's entire legacies COMBINED.

175 posted on 02/22/2012 11:00:36 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Please explain the context then - that would make the quotes “out of context”.

How is “the highest image of God” not an admission that he thinks he was created in God’s image?

How is “a goose will always remain a goose” not an admission that he believes in fixed kinds.

What is the context?

Somehow I don’t think you can supply ANY contextual way out of the clear meaning of his words - yet you will still dishonestly claim they were out of context.

Please provide the context!

This should be amusing!!!!


177 posted on 02/22/2012 11:04:02 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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What is very relevant and very illustrative - is that the author of this article couldn't make it a single paragraph into his illogical argument of guilt by association and appeal to consequences without a BIG FAT UGLY LIE.

But go ahead and defend the BIG FAT UGLY LIE.

I mentioned the other day that I would have preferred that this thread not be in the RF; however, it is and YOU have been been skirting the rules of the RF throughout the thread with your personal attacks and insinuations that everyone who disagrees with you is a liar.

I'm done responding to you unless you want to discuss the ACTUAL TOPIC and not what you want the topic to be.

178 posted on 02/22/2012 11:06:31 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Well said.


179 posted on 02/22/2012 11:17:25 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: allmendream
Second warning. Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

180 posted on 02/22/2012 11:19:54 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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