Posted on 02/17/2012 4:17:50 PM PST by wagglebee
Very well and very clearly stated, MrB.
"allmendream" has shown himself historically to be one of the more simplistically dishonest, if not cognitively bereft posters on this board in general and on this topic specifically.
A moth to the flame.
FReegards!
Very well and very clearly stated, MrB.
"allmendream" has shown himself historically to be one of the more simplistically dishonest, if not cognitively bereft posters on this board in general and on this topic specifically.
A moth to the flame.
FReegards!
Care to address any of the points I made.
Hitler was a Creationist who believed in fixed kinds.
The Soviet Communists rejected Darwin's theory in favor of a Lamarkian mechanism.
Creationists claim to not accept evolution and the (semi)common descent of species - except when they helpfully explain how it all happened at many hundreds of times the rate observed in evolutionary biology.
Creationists claim to accept ‘micro’-evolution when they fell it is politic to do so - but then helpfully explain how any such mechanism is absolutely impossible - and that every useful DNA variation that ever existed was created and placed in the genome of the primordial “kinds”.
And are Creationists incapable of standing behind their own words without pinging a dozen or more of their amen chorus?
The writer is clearly not an expert if he attacks the fictions and non existent group he labeled as Darwinist.
The term Darwinist is a straw man established to have a basis for promulgating dogma
Thank you so very much for your outstanding essay-post, dear MrB!
This is a claim you've made throughout this thread, but you haven't actually substantiated it.
Here are the FACTS:
Those who believe in Creation believe that God created man in His Image and after His Likeness. Got it? People who believe in Creation believe that HUMAN BEINGS ARE CREATED BY GOD, IN HIS IMAGE.
Hitler, on the other hand, directed that nearly 10 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS be put to death.
The FACTS simply do not support your undocumented hypothesis.
But, once again, this thread is not and never has been about creationism vs. evolution, it is about DARWINISM and Darwinism's deadly legacy. This is a subject that makes devotees of evolution cringe and go off on all sorts of tangents to avoid discussing.
I do notice that you have completely avoided Margaret Sanger. Do you doubt that she was a Darwinist? Her grim death toll is on a level that dwarfs those of Hitler, Stalin and Mao COMBINED.
Here are a few of her quotes, that you may want to consider:
T"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control.""Eugenic sterilization is an urgent need ... We must prevent multiplication of this bad stock."
"Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems."
"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
Feel free to reply if you can get back on topic.
“A goose will always remain a goose” is pretty clear to any but the deliberately obtuse.
“the highest image of God” is pretty clear to any but the deliberately obtuse.
Did you not read or remember the quotes I provided? Your inability to deal with them doesn't mean they do not exist.
“This urge for the maintenance of the unmixed breed, which is a phenomenon that prevails throughout the whole of the natural world, results not only in the sharply defined outward distinction between one species and another but also in the internal similarity of characteristic qualities which are peculiar to each breed or species. The fox remains always a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger.” Hitler
“Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise. ” Hitler
“it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will” Hitler
How do you reconcile the lies in this article with the direct quotes from Hitler that show that he believed in fixed kinds and that his race was created by God in the image of God?
This isn't at all what people who believe in Creation believe, not even close.
Any thoughts on the Sanger quotes?
Consider the philosopher Alfred Rosenberg who inspired the racial attitudes of Nazi Germany. He was anti-Christian and a supporter of Positive Christianity as a step to the ultimate goal of a Reich Church.
Positive Christianity (German: Positives Christentum) was a movement within Nazi Germany which blended ideas of racial purity with Christian doctrine. It was adopted as part of the official party doctrine at the NSDAP congress in 1920 to express a worldview which was Christian, non-confessional, vigorously opposed to the spirit of "Jewish Materialism", and oriented to the principle of voluntary association of those with a common racial-ethnic background.[1]
Wikipedia on Positive Christianity
They were not killing humans by this philosophy just like abortionists think they are not killing humans.
The Creationists of the KKK proposed ‘multiple Adams’ and other claptrap theology to explain that ALL humans didn't share common descent, and only SOME were actually the “image of God”.
Racism and Creationism have been frequent bedfellows.
Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that his race was created in the image of God.
That you say I didn’t substantiate that doesn't speak well of your honesty.
It is quite easy to justify killing the innocent when they are simply defined as something other than human beings.
Ironically, the Bible makes NO ALLOWANCE for different "species" of man, there are the Chosen People of God, but they aren't any "more human" than those not chosen.
Therefore, belief in "subhumans" or other such nonsense REQUIRES a person to accept Darwinian evolutionary thinking.
“the highest image of God” is neither irrelevant or misleading to the FACT that Hitler believed mankind was CREATED in the image of God, as is typical of Creationists.
What is very relevant and very illustrative - is that the author of this article couldn't make it a single paragraph into his illogical argument of guilt by association and appeal to consequences without a BIG FAT UGLY LIE.
But go ahead and defend the BIG FAT UGLY LIE.
It speaks volumes about the honesty and integrity of Creationists.
So, now you are equating those who believe the Bible with the KKK. How telling.
Racism and Creationism have been frequent bedfellows.
Yet the only examples you cite are from avowed eugenicists.
Hitler believed in fixed kinds and that his race was created in the image of God.
Again, this has NOTHING to do with Biblical beliefs in Creation.
That you say I didn’t substantiate that doesn't speak well of your honesty.
My unwillingness to accept a few out-of-context quotes as supposed proof against a mountain of evidence to the contrary somehow makes me "dishonest"?
Still no interest in tackling Margaret Sanger? After all, SHE is the biggest murderer of them all, her legacy is responsible for more deaths each year than Hitler's and Stalin's entire legacies COMBINED.
Please explain the context then - that would make the quotes “out of context”.
How is “the highest image of God” not an admission that he thinks he was created in God’s image?
How is “a goose will always remain a goose” not an admission that he believes in fixed kinds.
What is the context?
Somehow I don’t think you can supply ANY contextual way out of the clear meaning of his words - yet you will still dishonestly claim they were out of context.
Please provide the context!
This should be amusing!!!!
But go ahead and defend the BIG FAT UGLY LIE.
I mentioned the other day that I would have preferred that this thread not be in the RF; however, it is and YOU have been been skirting the rules of the RF throughout the thread with your personal attacks and insinuations that everyone who disagrees with you is a liar.
I'm done responding to you unless you want to discuss the ACTUAL TOPIC and not what you want the topic to be.
Well said.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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