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Outraged by Mormon proxy baptism? Not this Jew
Jewish World Review ^ | 3/1/2012 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 03/01/2012 7:19:27 AM PST by Former Fetus

In a column many years ago, I described how I once attempted to chart a family tree. Most of my father's family had been killed in Auschwitz, and my efforts to trace their genealogy left me, I wrote, with a family tree that "has stumps where branches ought to be'' and "gets narrower, not wider, as it grows.''

A woman phoned me the morning that column appeared. She said she was a Mormon, and wanted to add the names of my father's massacred relatives — the column had mentioned about 18 of them by name — to the Mormon Church's vast genealogical archives. I told her that I certainly had no objection. Indeed, I was grateful for any gesture that might help preserve some remembrance of these family members whose lives had been so cruelly cut short.

At the time I knew nothing about "baptism by proxy,'' the ritual that Mormons believe gives even souls in the afterlife a chance to accept their faith and thus enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only later did I learn that some Mormons, eager to save the souls of dead Jews, had taken to submitting the names of Holocaust victims for posthumous baptism.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Judaism; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: judaism; mormonism; proxybaptism
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To: muawiyah

To you, evidently not to most people that hear of this sick practice and stalking.

Why do you take a stand against Jews and Christians for Mormonism, which is what you are doing.

So far the Holocaust Jews have had the most success fighting the Mormon cult on this , wouldn’t all the pro-Mormon energies be better focused at Jewish sites?


21 posted on 03/01/2012 11:05:25 AM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: Former Fetus

“If, for example, a pagan came and put a curse on me, would that worry me?”

Perhaps a better analogy would be a pagan putting a blessing on you. Means nothing, but it’s better than them wishing ill of you. Not saying it isn’t offensive to some folks either way, but what would be more offensive, dead dunking someone and believing it is a good thing for them or cursing the dead to burn in hell?

I have wondered why we know about it when someone dead gets “baptised.” They seem to just put up who they have “baptised” on websites as far as I can tell. What I don’t get is why they agree to stop when asked. It seems pretty cruel to deprive someone of a second chance to accept salvation just because someone living wants them to. Why would anyone agree to stop that if that’s what one truly believes?

Freegards


22 posted on 03/01/2012 11:06:28 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: ansel12

You are totally nuts. Go away.


23 posted on 03/01/2012 1:03:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Go away?

Leave you alone to protect Mormon abuse of us and our families, and defend their practice, I don’t think so.

Why do you feel energized to take their side on the issue, why not the Jews side, or the Christians?


24 posted on 03/01/2012 1:11:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12

I’m not taking any side at all EXCEPT ONE ~ I don’t believe in magic and you can’t make me.


25 posted on 03/01/2012 1:17:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I don’t know what you call Christianity, but quit trying to shut up Jews and Christians about the despised and sick practices of Bishop Romney and his Mormon cult.

Most of us will continue to fight the good fight against Mormonism.


26 posted on 03/01/2012 1:32:51 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12

Religious practices are what they are and that’s what they do. Since “magic” does not work you have no need to be concerned with it.


27 posted on 03/01/2012 2:06:35 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You want to defend the Mormon practice to those of us that condemn it.

You chose your agenda and are pushing it.


28 posted on 03/01/2012 2:12:24 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12; muawiyah

We have as much right to be offended as the Mormons who claim the right to desecrate the memory of our dead.

We will speak out (as is our right) as long as the Mormons keep necro-dunking people into membership in their cult.


29 posted on 03/01/2012 2:20:01 PM PST by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: colorcountry

Jeff Jacoby is thought of as conservative, he is another on the growing list of conservatives (including some on Breitbart’s site) who will be drawn into mainstreaming and selling Mormonism to the Christian right and conservative base.


30 posted on 03/01/2012 2:44:54 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: colorcountry

I got this from the Washington Post. Mormons did not try to convert blacks after death?

“The next year, in the face of a potential NAACP lawsuit, the hierarchy quietly reversed another policy against performing baptisms of the dead and allowed other sacred rites “for people who had any Negro blood in their veins.” But the major issue was still the priesthood.”


31 posted on 03/01/2012 3:11:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12

LOL! Your IQ must match Obama’s! Where did I defend, promote or advance Mormonism or any of their practices? I know it will get me flamed, but I happen to think Mormonism is a cult. There! I said it! Are you happy now? All I did was to agree with Jacoby that one should not get all upset about something that one does not believe have any effect. And yes, that Jews have far more serious problems facing them than proxy baptism.


32 posted on 03/01/2012 3:56:25 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus
Where did I defend, promote or advance Mormonism or any of their practices?

All I did was to agree with Jacoby that one should not get all upset about something that one does not believe have any effect.

Gosh that was easy, you asked and answered in your own post, on your own thread.

This is an article trying to "defend, which "promotes", which undeniably "advances" Mormonism and it's "practices".

33 posted on 03/01/2012 4:12:48 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: colorcountry

Whatever floats your boat. aa


34 posted on 03/01/2012 4:39:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Good. What’s good for the goose.


35 posted on 03/01/2012 5:02:32 PM PST by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: ansel12

Gee! And I thought it was an article about a Jew who is just as surprised at other Jews reaction to proxy baptism as he is to the practice of proxy baptism itself! Thanks for letting me know what I really, really think. </sarcasm>


36 posted on 03/01/2012 5:14:40 PM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

You told us what you think, you think that we should drop our protests against this Mormon cult practice, you even posted an article and a thread to support and advance your view.

I’m telling you that none of us should do that, we should all resist Mormonism and this sick practice.


37 posted on 03/01/2012 5:21:38 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12
This practice has absolutely no effect on anything or anybody.

As everybody knows the Catholics recognize "saints". Early in the Protestant Reformation (mostly in England in this case) many Protestants got the idea that the belief in saints was a very bad idea so they went about RENAMING all the various religious buildings and streets named after Catholic saints.

While a windfall business for the sign painters guild it did nothing FOR anyone and the general public continued to refer to St. Mary's Cathedral as St. Mary's, and St. Gildas Pub as St. Gildas Pub.

Today hardly anyone remembers that battle over dead people had gone on. We call places whatever the owners want them called, and we name our streets as we please.

Using a saint's name on an address has no reflection on your own religious beliefs, nor should it. If you think it does that's a personal problem, not something of general concern.

It's the same here. If you don't like what Mormons do in their own religion, don't participate.

38 posted on 03/01/2012 5:33:48 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You can do what you want for Mormonism, but I will continue to fight Mormonism’s war against Christianity.


39 posted on 03/01/2012 6:00:01 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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