Skip to comments.Tornadoes' Paths not Random, John Piper Says [Meteorology Caucus]
Posted on 03/07/2012 10:24:56 AM PST by marshmallow
MINNEAPOLIS (ABP) An author and preacher popular in Calvinist circles says it is no accident that recent killer tornadoes followed paths that ravaged some communities while others were spared.
Why would God reach down his hand and drag his fierce fingers across rural America killing at least 38 people with 90 tornadoes in 12 states, and leaving some small towns with scarcely a building standing, including churches? John Piper of Desiring God ministries wrote in a blog March 5.
Piper, pastor for preaching at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, said it is wrong to ascribe power capable of causing an estimated $2 billion worth of property damage to Mother Nature or the devil.
God alone has the last say in where and how the wind blows, Piper said. If a tornado twists at 175 miles an hour and stays on the ground like a massive lawnmower for 50 miles, God gave the command.
Piper said he doesnt know why if God has a quarrel with America that he wouldnt show his displeasure in Washington or Hollywood instead of places like Henryville, Ind., but that every deadly wind in any town is a divine warning to every town.
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I loved what you posted and the poem.
He made a similar declaration of God's soveriegnty vis-a-vis the Indonesian tsunami. His point-then and now-is that we fool ourselves if we think that God is not in control of all things. Tsunamis, tornados, tribulations and tumors all serve a divine purpose that may not be known to us. It is not for us to know all things, but to trust and believe.
Since I know that you know that God’s word clearly states that “there is none righteous...,” I would hope that you could better understand the intended meaning of that verse.
How many verses in the Bible are meant to be taken alone, rather than in the context of the whole word? (clue: zero)
Friday, God caused a fierce wind to blow over my neighbor’s big blue spruce. I don’t know why, maybe He didn’t like her beagle......On numerous occasions I would pray to Him to make the darn thing shut up, maybe He was hoping the tree would hit it but missed.
Although babies are born with the sinful nature of man, they (and young children) have not chosen to reject Christ and are therefore covered by the precious blood of Jesus Christ. A sinful nature is not the same as choosing to sin.
Paul spoke of the thorn in his flesh as a messenger of Satan to buffet him. Yet he stood on God’s grace to overcome his weakness. Man chooses righteousness or sin, babies do not.
I did not suggest that any verse in Scripture stands alone without context. In fact, I made it clear that there are many references to the innocent (and the righteous) in Scripture. Yet you rest your argument on one verse concluding that babies and young children have sinned and fallen short.
They have not chosen sin. They were born with a sinful nature - the propensity to sin. There is a difference. If there weren’t, the blood of Jesus would not cover them until they chose Christ.
Yes, God allows evil. The flaw in the premise of many expressing disdain for Piper’s view is a lack of appreciation for the contrast between the depths of sinfulness in man (even supposedly “good” men) and the a) holiness and b) love of God for sinners.
Is it better for Him to allow them to live blithely and die in their sins or to cause them to cry out to Him and be saved? In that light, such natural disasters are an act of mercy rather than vengeance.
To Him be the glory...
Joe Bastardi is a meteorologist, do you have a problem with him?
Then stay off the Religion threads if you wish to use comments like that...What may be humor to YOU may not be obvious to others.
This is by far the most blessed thing I have ever been involved with. They give so much more than you can imagine. We see it as ministering with them, not too them. They are so anxious and excited to learn about God’s Word.
I recommend that you stay off the RF.
Obviously you identify with thew rest of the liars at the local Warmist society, but no one here does, so you’re out of your element.
Oh really? How about posting my comments that would lead you to that lying accusation?
Is there any particular reason why anyone should know or care who joe bastardi is?
>> “How about posting my comments that would lead you to that lying accusation?” <<
Comments #109 and 110 would suffice in that area.
You appear to get in a huff when the psuedo scientists are spoken of derisively
Only if YOU'RE too stupid to know or too ignorant to find out..........
IOW, there is no reason an intelligent person would wish to know anything about Mr bastardi.
You have “God is punishing you because I am right and you are wrong” in quotes. Why?
Are you misrepresenting this pastor through malice, or through ignorance?
Since it's obvious you're not talking about yourself, you might want to educate yourself on Joe........but you'd rather engage in a pissing contest wouldn't you?
Fair enough, I surrender to your ignorance and grant you the win.......
Why is ‘joe’ so important to you that you feel so compelled to inject him here?