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Chris Matthews Says Evangelicals See Catholics (and Mormons) as Cultists. Is He Right or Wrong?
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | March 14, 2012 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 03/15/2012 11:29:19 AM PDT by NYer

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Ping!


21 posted on 03/15/2012 12:08:36 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: JoeDetweiler
The first real experience I had with anti-Catholicism came when I moved to New York. I can say the same for antiSemitism. My first experience of anti-Mormon feelings came when I moved to California.

That's something a lot of liberals and others don't seem to understand. It's usually people who live with and know a certain group that hate them the most, not those who are largely ignorant of said group. For example, the media always portrays rural folks as the most racist. In my experience, though, I found the most racist whites to be those that lived in cities and other areas with high amounts of blacks.

22 posted on 03/15/2012 12:08:48 PM PDT by WPaCon
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To: NYer
I'm a Christian. I'm not Catholic nor do I follow Arminianism nor Calvinism. Some Calvinist tell me I'm not a Protestant because I don't follow the teaching of John Calvin. I don't want to be labeled Calvinist or Arminian. Rather, I want to be biblical through and through and give every text its due proportion, no matter where it falls. I consider myself a biblicist.

With all that said, My position as a Christian varies from Catholics but not on the basics. That is, we serve the same Lord.

I can't say the same for any other 'false religion.'

But that's just me.

23 posted on 03/15/2012 12:10:34 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: NYer
One of the things about which the media has been exultant during the Republican primaries, is that a majority of self-identifying Catholics are not supporting the hated, knuckle-dragging, social conservative, Santorum and the media has been trumpeting this fact at every opportunity. They're over-joyed.

However, the other side of this coin is that Evangelicals are supporting Santorum and are picking up some of "the slack", so to speak. This is helping Santorum significantly and is responsible in no small part for him kicking Romney's butt in the south and prolonging this primary campaign. This is just killing liberals like Matthews and is the reason for his rant above.

Matthews is essentially saying........"This can't be happening!! I thought you Evangelicals hated Catholics and Catholicism."

Boo-hoo, Chrissy, it is happening. Cry me a river!

24 posted on 03/15/2012 12:26:26 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: NYer

To the headline: wrong and right


25 posted on 03/15/2012 12:27:01 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: reaganaut

It seems this way from some perspectives, but I believe George Washington was saved! and he was a Freemason.

True ignorance appears to be different than diregarded truth. However, His hand is obvious thru-out creation, so none can freely claim ignorance to His existance. That is why so many seek, so many directions, to cover that missing relationship.

Those raised in belief, may never have truly sought. Seek with all your heart and you shall find. A luke warm heart will be spewed out. Don’t settling for mere traditions of men, those which condradict His whole word.


26 posted on 03/15/2012 12:29:53 PM PDT by veracious
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To: NYer

I see Catholics as fellow Christians... I see matthews as a satanic minion... any more questions?

LLS


27 posted on 03/15/2012 12:37:02 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: veracious

One more set:
There are no Baptists in heaven.
There are no Mormons, ChurchOfChrist, Catholics...
There is just one people, with one Father. Get there!
Be part of a gathering which teaches His word rather than church doctrine.

It is written (paraphrased):
Come out of her, my people. Return onto my ways, my walk, my times.


28 posted on 03/15/2012 12:47:19 PM PDT by veracious
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To: NYer

Has Chrissy Matthews ever been right about anything?


29 posted on 03/15/2012 12:51:17 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: NYer

Chris Matthews doesn’t understand the difference between a “cult” and “occult”, do technically he is correct... but the way he meant it is wrong.


30 posted on 03/15/2012 12:52:01 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: hinckley buzzard

Speaking as a Protestant, we branched off the root of the Roman church and if it’s a “cult” our faith must be a sub-cult. Mormonism is, whatever it claims, a wholly new religion with what are to Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox believers some very strange beliefs. That being said, we should all recognize what “major religions” pose the greatest threats to us all and they are, not necessarily in this order, Humanism and Islam. The first is a more immediate threat and the second far more ancient, but both are militant and intent on the destruction of Christianity in general.


31 posted on 03/15/2012 12:52:11 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Safrguns

Oops... the thread includes Catholics.
I do not equate Catholics with Mormons.
Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity.
Mormonism is a cult.


32 posted on 03/15/2012 12:53:59 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: NYer

I’m an Evangelical. My Catholic MIL led me to Christ.

I think the opinion of most of my Evangelical peers is that there are born-again Christians in both Evangelical and Catholic churches, and there are also non-believers in both churches. To most Evangelicals, Christianity is defined by your relationship with Jesus Christ and not by your denomination.


33 posted on 03/15/2012 12:56:06 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

“There have been several commenters here in the past who have indicated that as a fact Catholics are not Christians. Maybe some of them will come out and play today. “

A Christian is someone who trusts in Christ for their salvation.

Insasmuch as a Roman Catholic trusts in Christ for his salvation, I assume he is a Christian.

However, if he is following Catholic doctrine to a “t” and therefore trusting in the extra good works of Mary or Bartholomew or Dominic or whoever to credit his account and get him into heaven, he is not trusting in Christ, but in Mary or Bartholomew or Dominic. Therefore how can he be a Christian? He is not, at that point, trusting in Christ.

Or if he is trusting in his own works - doing penance to atone for whatever sins he may have committed - then he is also not trusting in Christ.

It all comes down to who your Savior is. Is it your own merit? Is it the merit of another person or persons? Or is it Christ and Him alone?


34 posted on 03/15/2012 1:01:17 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: hinckley buzzard

As for Mormons, I am unaware of any part of their doctrine where they are even taught that Jesus is as described in the Bible. They are taught rather than Jesus is an exalted man who got his own planet; a spirit brother of Satan, no less. They themselves through obedience to certain laws and good works earn themselves a planet of their own to rule as a god. This is nowhere near Christian doctrine, although the name of Jesus is used, and yes, it’s a cult through and through.


35 posted on 03/15/2012 1:03:23 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: NYer
Nobody dislikes Chris more than I, but he's somewhat right here. As a Catholic, I have had dozens of encounters in the South with evangelicals who insist I'm not Christian, not saved, and must pray to statues.


36 posted on 03/15/2012 1:06:39 PM PDT by rickade
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To: hinckley buzzard

Mormonism is definitely a cult. I have mixed feelings about Catholicism. I used to see them as another church, but then I found out (through some Catholic posters here and confirmed by other sources) that the church teaches that mary was without sin and that she NEVER had sex, even after Jesus’ birth.

So the jury is still out with me, but that is very troubling.


37 posted on 03/15/2012 1:09:14 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: NYer

He’s right — for once.


38 posted on 03/15/2012 1:15:00 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: cuban leaf
"church teaches that mary was without sin and that she NEVER had sex, even after Jesus’ birth."

Is it really that unbelievable that God wanted his Son to be born of a person without sin and that people can go through life without having sex? More miraculous things have happened.

39 posted on 03/15/2012 1:19:03 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: veracious; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; SZonian; SENTINEL

It seems this way from some perspectives

- - - - —
Not when dealing with Mormons and a personal relationship with Christ. I USED TO BE MORMON (see tagline). Not only is a personal relationship with Christ not taught, it is taught AGAINST.

When I was LDS, we used to make fun of Evangelicals who thought they could have a personal relationship with Christ. I’m not talking about 3 or 4 LDS friends, EVERYONE I knew (hundreds) in all my wards, all over BYU, every Mormon I knew thought it was stupid and an insult to God to claim we could have Christ in our hearts, be saved through faith, and have a personal relationship.

Mormons also believe in a COMPLETELY different Christ than Christians do and they are not compatible at all.

So, I not only stand by my statement that is IMPOSSIBLE to have a personal relationship with Christ and remain a Mormon, I suggest you do some research into what the LDS really teach.

I have also pinged some other former Mormons who will tell you the same thing.

FWIW, I was a convert to Mormonism, not raised in it. You are correct they do not seek, or they seek after a false Christ, not the Jesus of the Bible. Thank God, He saved me and saved me from the cult of Mormonism.


40 posted on 03/15/2012 1:23:18 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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