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Eponymous Flower ^ | March 25, 2012

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

I’m not sure what your position regarding the Eucharist is, but I detect hostility to the constant Tradition of Christ’s Church. If you will not listen to the Church...

From St. Paul through to the early Church Fathers to today, Catholics have seen the Eucharist the same way.

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Paul Confirms This

Paul wrote to the Corinthians: “The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?” (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, “Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself” (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). “To answer for the body and blood” of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine “unworthily” be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ. 
 
What Did the First Christians Say?

Anti-Catholics also claim the early Church took this chapter symbolically. Is that so? Let’s see what some early Christians thought, keeping in mind that we can learn much about how Scripture should be interpreted by examining the writings of early Christians. 

Ignatius of Antioch, who had been a disciple of the apostle John and who wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans about A.D. 110, said, referring to “those who hold heterodox opinions,” that “they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again” (6:2, 7:1). 

Forty years later, Justin Martyr, wrote, “Not as common bread or common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, . . . is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus” (First Apology 66:1–20). 

Origen, in a homily written about A.D. 244, attested to belief in the Real Presence. “I wish to admonish you with examples from your religion. You are accustomed to take part in the divine mysteries, so you know how, when you have received the Body of the Lord, you reverently exercise every care lest a particle of it fall and lest anything of the consecrated gift perish. You account yourselves guilty, and rightly do you so believe, if any of it be lost through negligence” (Homilies on Exodus 13:3). 

Cyril of Jerusalem, in a catechetical lecture presented in the mid-300s, said, “Do not, therefore, regard the bread and wine as simply that, for they are, according to the Master’s declaration, the body and blood of Christ. Even though the senses suggest to you the other, let faith make you firm. Do not judge in this matter by taste, but be fully assured by faith, not doubting that you have been deemed worthy 
of the body and blood of Christ” (Catechetical Discourses: Mystagogic 4:22:9). 

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/christ-in-the-eucharist

[editor-surveyor]

Put it back in the context of the verse. Paul remonstrated those that had literally come to satisfy their hunger with the communion bread.

How did you miss that?

[Pyro7480]

[Natural Law]

"Paul remonstrated those that had literally come to satisfy their hunger with the communion bread."

Please explain Jesus' use of the word "Epiousios" (επιούσιος), in the Lord's Prayer translated as "Supersubstantial Bread" in describing the "communion bread". Note the term ousios meaning the philosophical term "substance" exactly like that used by the Church in the "Consubstantial" and the Eucharist being Transubstantial.

[editor-surveyor]

Jesus did not use that word. That was a later corruption of the Greek.

Jesus spoke only Hebrew anyway. He didn’t ask his Father for any hocus-pocus bread.

[editor-surveyor]

The Antichrist has a sinus headache?

[bmwcyle]

Should I drive you there.

[conservonator]

Jesus spoke only Hebrew anyway.

Really? How did his disciples understand him since Aramaic was probably the most common language of the area at the time, along with Greek. And unless Scripture is not to believed Jesus is quoted to have spoken Aramaic on several occasions. He no doubt spoke and read Hebrew but the notion of Him only speaking Hebrew is silly.

[Pyro7480]

[Natural Law]

"Jesus did not use that word. That was a later corruption of the Greek."

So now you are saying that the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, both written in Koine Greek, both using the word Epiousios ( επιούσιος ) in the Lord's Prayer are errant?

[MarkBsnr]

The bride of Christ doesn’t need nicolaitan canons; it has the Holy Spirit to guide Bible study.

You are going to blame the Holy Spirit for your beliefs? Better be careful about blaspheming against Him.

Of course, catholics have no more concept of how the Holy Spirit works in the real church than a blind man has of a color wheel.

You gotta stop staring at the strobe lights.

Keep on thrashing; you remind me of Sambo’s tigers running around the tree until they turn into butter.

When one's theology is cut whole cloth from a fantasy life, I think it good that you are branching out from the usual fantasy merchants into actual literature.

[MarkBsnr]

The Ark was not worshiped; in fact, in practice only the high priest even entered to it, and then only after filling the place with enough smoke that he couldn’t even see it.

Are you saying that the high priest could be only a dwarf, midget or small child?

You are awesome, dude.

[MarkBsnr]

More nonsense to smoke-up the room. Paul’s writing demolished the pagan alchemy of transsubstantiation. Live with it.

Ah. Paulianity. Declared heresy.

You still wanna be called Christian?

[MarkBsnr]

Jesus spoke only Hebrew anyway.

Uh huh. Try Aramaic. Nice to see that you fail at this as well as every other posting on this thread.

[editor-surveyor]

Relax,The Holy Spirit and I are in constant contact.

I can’t imagine what kind of parties you attend, but I havent seen a strobe in decades. No wonder you have such demonic views on things; get different friends.

[editor-surveyor]

I want to go on record here that the Gospels were written in Hebrew, and later translated to Greek and Aram. The Hebrew and Aram MS were largely destroyed in great numbers when Rome sacked Israel, which is the primary reason for the dominance of Greek MS.

There are many corrupted Greek MS in this world, and I can see why you’d love them.

[editor-surveyor]

Nobody would pick you up?

Could it be your disposition?

[MarkBsnr]

Relax,The Holy Spirit and I are in constant contact.

Gotcha. You're blaming the Holy Spirit for your beliefs.

[MarkBsnr]

I want to go on record here that the Gospels were written in Hebrew, and later translated to Greek and Aram. The Hebrew and Aram MS were largely destroyed in great numbers when Rome sacked Israel, which is the primary reason for the dominance of Greek MS.

You wouldn't have any evidence for this, would you? I must say that you have a fascinating world view.