Posted on 03/28/2012 3:05:17 PM PDT by sreastman
It sat in the Vatican library for about 400 years, if I recall. The thinking at the time was, it shouldn’t influence how Popes are elected. Turns out the wisdom held, when during one election after the prophesies resurfaced, an ambitious Cardinal loaded a boat full of sheep and sailed it up the river outside the chapel where the election was to be held.
Benedict, an Olivetan, obviously fits ‘Gloria Olivae’, but it doesn’t count since the election happened after the prophesy resurfaced.
It’s become a recipe more than a prophesy now. “We need an Olivetan this time!”
Next Pope will call himself Peter, not because I’m a prophet, or Malachy was a prophet, but because his prophesy became prescription.
What in the world is this author writing?
Popes do not resign.
Vying factions???
LOL!
There's another way of leaving.
There has been a rumor/meme that I have heard floating around recently among the fringe dispensationalist conspiracy theorists that this pope will be assassinated.
You wrote:
“It sat in the Vatican library for about 400 years, if I recall.”
No, it is said by some to have sat in the archive for that length of time. There is no evidence it was written in the 12th century. There’s no evidence it sat in the archive for 400 years. There is no evidence it existed before being published.
“The thinking at the time was, it shouldn’t influence how Popes are elected.”
False. There was no “thinking” about it that anyone has any proof of. There is not a single mentioning of the document until about the time it was published.
“Turns out the wisdom held, when during one election after the prophesies resurfaced, an ambitious Cardinal loaded a boat full of sheep and sailed it up the river outside the chapel where the election was to be held.”
Sorry, you’re wrong again. What you’re doing is passing on a jibe at Cardinal Spellman who supposedly rented the boat and flock in 1958. It’s a joke - either one he played, or one someone played on him.
“Benedict, an Olivetan, obviously fits ‘Gloria Olivae’, but it doesn’t count since the election happened after the prophesy resurfaced.”
Benedict is not an Olivetan. He was never a member of a religious order. He was a diocesan priest and bishop only.
“It’s become a recipe more than a prophesy now. “We need an Olivetan this time!” Next Pope will call himself Peter, not because I’m a prophet, or Malachy was a prophet, but because his prophesy became prescription.”
Nope. The next pope might call himself Peter - incredibly unlikely actually - but it will have nothing to do with any supposed prophecies of Malachy since they are consistently wrong after 1590 - just a few years before the document was published! In other words, someone forged it around 1590.
They have not in our lifetime, but yes, Popes have resigned or abdicated.
They have not in our lifetime, but yes, Popes have resigned or abdicated.
Pope Benedict is not an Olivetan. The Olivetans are a branch of the Benedictines. Pope Benedict is not a Benedictine, either (he was a diocesan priest before he was elevated to the episcopacy). The only connection he has with the Olivetans is the name he chose for his papacy. That's pretty tenuous. It's also after-the-fact, like Paul VI's coat of arms reflecting his "prophecy," "Flos Florum".
The "St. Malachy" prophecy almost certainly wasn't written by St. Malachy. It's unknown before 1595 (St. Malachy died in 1148). Not surprisingly, the "prophecies" before 1595 are dead-ringers.
Most of those after 1595 have at best a coincidental relationship to the Pope they are supposed to describe, though I'll grant that some of them are spooky -- "Religio depopulata" for Benedict XVI, Pope during WW I, and "de labore Solis" for JP2, a Pope closely linked to Fatima and its solar miracle.
The assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II was foretold. I have heard it said that Pope Benedict XVI might have to rule in exile.
(Which makes me wonder about end times — but I don’t want to hijack the thread.)
It's also funny how dispensationalists who refuse to accept the Christian canon of the OT because, like the Pharisees and Luther, they don't want to accept what is taught in them turn around and recommend books like Enoch and Jubilees as containing insights that are convenient for their conspiracy theories.
What kind of dolts decry the Christian canon out of one side of their mouths and recommend Enoch out of the other?
Why, the sort that rely on The Lego Block Method of Scripture Interpretation of course !!
What are the odds that without much effort you could find a link between the site this article is pimping, the company pushing survivalist gear on this site, and the Comic Book Author Who Cannot Be Named?
Funny how as the date for some prediction nears the conspiracy and dispensationalist crowd always seem to "discover" a sub-plot within the plot they dreamed up or some sort of "exception" they've overlooked (oh yeah, that was only recently "revealed").
And funny how quickly someone's wild idea speculation turned into a popular book becomes received truth. "We've always believed this." Riiiight.
It's also funny how dispensationalists who refuse to accept the Christian canon of the OT because, like the Pharisees and Luther, they don't want to accept what is taught in them turn around and recommend books like Enoch and Jubilees as containing insights that are convenient for their conspiracy theories.
I've got a couple podcasts I listen to, because they're sometimes interesting. And as often, "oh come on, people!".
"Raiders News Service" is part of this school of thought.
"Flying saucers over out cities!" "Comet Elenin!"
That makes no sense. Pope Peter is supposed to be evil. If anything I would think the next Pope would deliberately AVOID the name Peter.
Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked;
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
Where’s the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?
Did you check the original site. The site will have classical anti- catholic books and material but will take the word of a saint catholic legendary myth to use against Catholics. Lol!!!
The Peter meme is out there. I can’t imagine the next Pope playing into it by taking the name Peter.
Neither can I see that happening.
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