Posted on 04/04/2012 1:16:27 AM PDT by koinonia
Timothy Cardinal Dolan
Age: 62
Occupation: Prince of the Catholic Church
The man most likely to give Barack Obama fits on the way to Election Day is the newly birettaed Archbishop of New York. Affable, jolly and theatrical, Dolan deploys these genial weapons as the Catholic Church's point man in the battle against the Obama Administration's policies on contraception and abortion. The President barely won the Catholic vote in 2008; without an accommodation, Dolan could turn away enough voters to tilt a close election — all with a smile.
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If anyone deserves recognition in this country, it is Cardinal Dolan who has been an instrument of God in leading us in this battle against Obama and his administration who want to deprive every man, woman and child of their freedom.
"We will not comply!" Most Rev. Timothy Cardinal Dolan
Here is the link for the poll:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2107952_2107953_2109596,00.html
Cardinal Dolan and the Catholic Church are NOT, I repeat ARE NOT, against Obama’s contraception. That is what Obama wants to deceive Americans into believing.
What we ARE against is the Obama’s government FORCING the Catholic Church and its entities from having to PAY FOR employees’ contraceptives and abortions as they are contrary to our Church’s teaching.
The matter is freedom from government intrusion into the practice of our faith guaranteed by the Constitution - a constitution that Obama loathes. But the new media does not want you to know the truth. Obama is a creep.
Definitely 59.28%
No Way 40.72%
Beware when all men speak well of you, Cardinal.
Well, his coat of arms now has a red one.
“What we ARE against is the Obama’s government FORCING the Catholic Church and its entities from having to PAY FOR employees’ contraceptives and abortions as they are contrary to our Church’s teaching.”
I wouldn’t stress that, as it becomes quite clear that the Church was quite willing to have other Catholic-owned businesses pay for this coverage for its employees, and apparently no larger issue with such things being included in the national ObamaCare plan to begin with. They just didn’t want it for THEIR Catholic-owned businesses.
Self-serving bastards, without whom Obama would have NEVER been elected.
Neither Catdinal Dolan nor the organization he heads, the USCCB, speak for the Catholic Church there, Luther.
obama's pope. You read it here first. Obama "caves", and they get all kissy-kissy, and the Thousand Years of Peace begins. Bwahahaha!
Ping!
Pardon me, but the Catholic bishops DO speak for the Church.
If you are Catholic you should know this.
And if you are not Catholic you are misinformed.
Can you clarify this?
The main teacher of the Catholic faith in every diocese is the Catholic bishop: he is the one with the chief role of "Teach, Govern, Sanctify." Everyone has a share in this by their Baptism, but the bishop is the head guy as far as the Diocese goes.
So in that sense, the local church is defined as "the people of God in union with their bishop," and yes, the bishop speaks for the Church.
Having said that, the bishop's authority pertains only in union with the Pope, only in accord with Canon Law, and only in matters of faith and morals (plus ecclesial governance and discipline in his own diocese: the ordination and assignment of clergy, good order in the church, i.e. the correct conduct of the Liturgy and the Sacraments, etc.)
It does not extend to prudential secular judgment, e.g. political parties and candidates, movie reviews, better homes and gardens, foreign and military policy, business, sports, the weather, entertainment, the etc. etc. --- That's the sphere of the laity, and it's not the bishop's "job" (except inasmuch as it has salient moral content, i.e. those matters which are required by God, or forbidden by Him).
In secular, prudential judgments, the bishop does not represent the Church and does not speak for the Church. He has a right to his own opinion, like anyone with a brain; his own dollar, like anyone in the market; his own vote, like any citizen.
Does that cover it? Or did I misconstrue the question :o)
In secular, prudential judgments, the bishop does not represent the Church and does not speak for the Church. He has a right to his own opinion, like anyone with a brain; his own dollar, like anyone in the market; his own vote, like any citizen.
To the point of the discussion, which was the procurement of healthcare services and the political ramifications thereof, my position is that the Bishop speaks for himself only.
Yah. Broad outline: “Care for the sick” is right up here as an overall moral requirement; how to go about that, is a prudential judgment.
well said, again.
And so was I. Now how often does that happen?
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