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The Anti-Mormon Moment: LDS critics capitalize on Romney's GOP nom [Shine light on dark UT corner]
Salt Lake City Weekly ^ | April 18, 2012 | Eric S. Peterson

Posted on 04/19/2012 9:03:29 PM PDT by Colofornian

When presidential contender Rick Santorum bowed out of the GOP White House race April 10, it cleared the way for Mitt Romney’s all-but-inevitable nomination. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will for the first time see one of the faithful nominated for president by a major political party.

But while the faithful rejoice, so do the church critics, whose cries of hosanna may be just as loud as LDS members’. For them, Romney’s nomination is an opportunity for the nation to finally pick up on their rebuke of the church’s beliefs and practices, as a wider liberal audience narrows its scrutiny of Romney as the ultimate challenger to Barack Obama in the presidential fall election.

And the LDS Church is bracing itself for scrutiny. Voters across the country are looking to the Internet for answers, which is cause for concern for the church, especially since late 2011, when Reuters news services published an unscripted, audio-recorded talk Elder Marlin Jensen gave to a religious-studies class at Utah State University. In the candid conversation, Jensen—who is a General Authority, in the church’s First Quorum of the Seventy—acknowledged that people were leaving the church en masse, and that since the church’s early history, “We’ve never had a period of—I’ll call it apostasy—like we’re having now.”

Critics say the uncomfortable doctrines of the LDS Church are often what scare members away, and it’s that information they want to get out to the general public.

“I am concerned that most journalists don’t know that much about Mormonism,” says Richard Packham, a spokesman for the ExMormon Foundation, which holds annual conferences for those who have left the LDS flock. He says that in the past few months, he’s been receiving frequent calls from international journalists asking about the church. Packham, in turn, has provided them with his testimony of the Mormon problem.

“First of all, they go to the Mormon church, and the public-relations [staff] give them a sweet, sugary story about how nice it is and how wonderful the church is—and it’s deceptive.” He sees church PR efforts of the past few years as being carefully orchestrated to prepare for this moment of public attention.

“It isn’t coincidental that the church has got this ‘I Am a Mormon’ campaign going and that they are urging members to get on the Internet and spread their testimony,” Packham says of an ad campaign that features videos of members introducing themselves as Mormons. The campaign has featured average Mormons and more well-known Mormons, including Brandon Flowers, lead singer of The Killers.

In 2011, the church hired tech guru and entrepreneur Jesse Stay as a social-media strategist. By May 2011, Stay had helped the LDS Church claim Facebook’s No. 1 ranking for churches and religious organizations—a ranking the church has held as of this issue’s press date, having 587,776 “likes.”

Packham, whose organization runs ExMormon.org, which hosts forums for disaffected former church members and other critics, hopes the uncomfortable questions the site has posed over the years will now emerge in the national discourse, thanks to the presidential election.

Packham has even developed questions he offers to reporters to grill Romney about his faith. He suggests asking Romney whether, if the church no longer believes in polygamy, it believes the polygamist wives of church founders still join them in the afterlife.

“Reporters don’t have the sense to ask: ‘Well, Brigham Young was sealed to about 50 wives, do you believe they are with him now in the Celestial Kingdom?’” Packham says.

John Dehlin, while a member of the LDS Church,* has for years sought to offer a resource to questioning members that strikes a balance between sites with clear axes to grind and staunch LDS Church apologists.

“I’m talking with reporters from The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, CNN, CBS—and they don’t know where to get [LDS] interpretations and perspectives from, because so often the church PR just won’t engage with them,” Dehlin says.

His nonprofit Open Stories Foundation features a podcast where he hosts pro and con speakers to talk about hot topics of LDS interest. He says in the past year, his podcasts have more than doubled their downloads, now averaging 25,000 to 35,000 downloads. He hopes sites like his can offer media and other members of the public a neutral LDS resource. As for the impact of dissenting Mormon resources, Dehlin believes more stories are going to come out about the church.

“A lot of reporters have told me they were waiting for Romney to clinch the nomination before they started putting stories out,” Dehlin says. “I think a lot of that stuff is going to be hitting now.”

But others are doubtful. Fred Karger, a former Ronald Reagan staffer and the only gay Republican presidential candidate, has been largely self-financing a costly campaign (he’d spent more than $400,000 as of the end of 2011) aimed largely at sticking it to Romney about his loyalty to the church and the LDS Church’s involvement in campaigning for 2008’s Proposition 8 to repeal same-sex marriage in California.

“I brought up some of my concerns, and they usually land with a thud,” Karger says. “There is a very hesitant feeling from all circles to bring that issue up.”

University of Utah political-science professor Matthew Burbank also doubts anti-Mormon lines of enquiry will tangle up the GOP candidate. Burbank likens church critics assailing Romney to the “birther” movement that tried to discredit Obama’s candidacy in the 2008 election by suggesting he was born in Africa instead of the United States.

Burbank doesn’t see the religious-obedience question resonating with the general public the way financial or sex scandals do. “It’s unlikely at the campaign level that that’s going to be a big issue,” Burbank says.

But even if a difference isn’t felt on Election Day, for Packham, the opportunity is a vital one for Americans—Mormons and non-Mormons—to ask harder questions about the LDS faith; the kind of questions he wishes he would have asked himself earlier in life. Packham, 79, spent the first 25 years of his life as a devout Mormon, having served a mission and been married in the temple. He didn’t scrutinize his own faith until later in his life.

Though his falling away resulted in him separating from his wife of eight years and their three children, he doesn’t regret the questions he’s asked and hopes more will do the same.

“I expect the church leaders aren’t too happy about the [publicity] they’re getting,” Packham says. “They’re concerned about what they call ‘misinformation,’ which is their code word for the unpleasant truths about Mormonism—but it’s got to come out.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Ministry/Outreach; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antichristian; apologetics; inman; lds; mittromney; mormon
From the article: ...Romney’s nomination is an opportunity for the nation to finally pick up on their rebuke of the church’s beliefs and practices...And the LDS Church is bracing itself for scrutiny. Voters across the country are looking to the Internet for answers, which is cause for concern for the church, especially since late 2011, when Reuters news services published an unscripted, audio-recorded talk Elder Marlin Jensen gave to a religious-studies class at Utah State University. In the candid conversation, Jensen—who is a General Authority, in the church’s First Quorum of the Seventy—acknowledged that people were leaving the church en masse, and that since the church’s early history, “We’ve never had a period of—I’ll call it apostasy—like we’re having now.” Critics say the uncomfortable doctrines of the LDS Church are often what scare members away, and it’s that information they want to get out to the general public.

For more info on what (now former) General Authority Marlin Jensen, who was the 16th-ranked Mormon G.A. (they rank by age)...until they sacked him 'cause he was too candid...see

* 2012 Source #1: Number of faithful Mormons rapidly declining

* 2012 Source #2: Mormons opening up in an Internet world [& Losing members accordingly]

* 2012 Source #3: Special report -Mormonism besieged by the modern age [Lds church is hemorrhaging in member losses]

From the article: “I am concerned that most journalists don’t know that much about Mormonism,” says Richard Packham, a spokesman for the ExMormon Foundation, which holds annual conferences for those who have left the LDS flock. He says that in the past few months, he’s been receiving frequent calls from international journalists asking about the church. Packham, in turn, has provided them with his testimony of the Mormon problem. “First of all, they go to the Mormon church, and the public-relations [staff] give them a sweet, sugary story about how nice it is and how wonderful the church is—and it’s deceptive.”...Packham has even developed questions he offers to reporters to grill Romney about his faith. He suggests asking Romney whether, if the church no longer believes in polygamy, it believes the polygamist wives of church founders still join them in the afterlife. “Reporters don’t have the sense to ask: ‘Well, Brigham Young was sealed to about 50 wives, do you believe they are with him now in the Celestial Kingdom?’” Packham says.

Exactly right. If the Mormon supernatural worldview is true, Mormon leaders have "colonized" polygamy on another planet...[Which means they are lying thru their teeth & they know it...unless, of course, they think it's all a fantasy, anyway...and they stick with it for purely family/social reasons]

From the article: John Dehlin, while a member of the LDS Church...“A lot of reporters have told me they were waiting for Romney to clinch the nomination before they started putting stories out,” Dehlin says. “I think a lot of that stuff is going to be hitting now.”

1 posted on 04/19/2012 9:03:34 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: All; svcw
Headline: The Anti-Mormon Moment...

Clarification...a better accurate headline would have said: The Anti-MormonISM Moment...

That would reflect that these counterfeit worldviews is what we oppose...for the apostle Paul said: ...our struggle is NOT AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Mormons are not to be deemed "enemies"...they are of tremendous value to God, to their families and relatives, co-workers and neighbors.

2 posted on 04/19/2012 9:11:26 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: All
From the article: ...John Dehlin...

For Dehlin's survey of disbelieving Mormons -- and which Lds beliefs are causing them to either seriously reconsider Mormonism or to leave the church...see posts (& links) @ #1 & #2 @:

Survey on Mormon Disbelievers to be Released at UVU Forum [74% point to theological concerns]

3 posted on 04/19/2012 9:18:33 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

Mormons are not to be deemed “enemies”...they are of tremendous value to God, to their families and relatives, co-workers and neighbors.


Thanks for that.

I’m sick of all this.

The Dems ans media love all this. Islam and 0bama will continue to get a pass.


4 posted on 04/19/2012 9:20:34 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Colofornian

I know lots of Mormons. I don’t agree with some of their beliefs and I think some of their beliefs are wonderful.

I don’t know many muslims. Don’t want to either. One in our White House is one too many.


6 posted on 04/19/2012 9:29:58 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Colofornian
I live in a little town in Ohio. I'm a Catholic, as are most of my neighbors.

In 2007, we suffered the worst flood in four generations. My office had two feet of water in it, and during the cleanup, we ran out of supplies. The hardware stores were closed, so we went to see if the town had accumulated any supplies. When I got to the city garage, I saw pallets of cleaning supplies and bottled water, shipped to us by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

You believe what you want to believe about the Mormans; for my part, I will never forget how they acted as Christ taught in helping a stranger in need.

7 posted on 04/19/2012 9:33:18 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Arm yourselves, and be ye men of valour)
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To: TonyInOhio
When I got to the city garage, I saw pallets of cleaning supplies and bottled water, shipped to us by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. You believe what you want to believe about the Mormans; for my part, I will never forget how they acted as Christ taught in helping a stranger in need.

First of all, I am a descendent from a Mormon leader...& have many Lds relatives.

Secondly, Mormons are pressured to get a temple recommend to perform various rituals there. To get such a recommend, you need to give 10%. [Hence, PLENTY -- and I mean PLENTY of $ for Lds, Inc. to buy as much bottled water & other supplies as multiple countries might need...let alone a regional flooded area.]

How "easy" is it for Lds, Inc. to exact & extract this 10% from its members?

No recommend, no temple access. [Including not seeing your own daughter -- or son -- married in the Lds temple]
No temple access, no "forever family" (Lds believe you can live forever as a family together)
No "forever family," no living with Heavenly Father (Lds theology says ONLY temple Mormons get to live forever with Heavenly Father; they exclude all Catholics & Protestants & Orthodox from that eternal relationship...does that sound very "loving" to you?)
And No temple rec, no becoming a "god" -- advancing from the "god in embryo" that temple Mormons already believe that they are...

Hence...you better believe temple Mormons are going to be on their best "neighborly" behavior. Why? Well, if you're auditioning for godhood, of course, you'll go out of your way to be "neighborly." Every work constitutes another "brownie" point on their alleged road-to-godhood!

You believe what you want to believe about the Mormans; for my part, I will never forget how they acted as Christ taught in helping a stranger in need.

Well, you neglect what you want about MormonISM...But be sure to ask God, how "tolerant" is He to men setting hemselves up as rival gods...

Because a temple Mormon can give you a bottled water with one hand,
...and attempt with the other hand to steal glory from God (by claiming to one day be able to receive worship, adoration, adulation, prayers, and have the same creator-power God as rulers of their own world).

8 posted on 04/19/2012 9:51:46 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: unkus; NavyCanDo
Islam and 0bama will continue to get a pass. [Unkus]

Well, for what it's worth, I posted -- and imbedded the links -- to 11 past FR threads Wednesday...here

These were 11 attempts by FREEPERs to highlight the connection 'tween Obama & Islam...

The problem is that most of these were from 2008-2009...we FREEPERs have fallen asleep in putting fresher content these past 2.5 years.

One of the candidates running for President befriends the people with the ideology that see’s America as the great Satan and desires to see Israel wiped off the face of the planet...Sad to see your endless attacks against Americans and the church they choose to attend condoned here. [Navycando, post #9]

ALL: If you click on the link above...and then click on ANY of those 11 threads that seem to tie Obama to Islam --you'll find an interesting inconsistency on the part of Navycando, who's been a Freeper since '04.

On the one hand, Navycando thinks it's "low" to focus on Romney's worldviews and Mormon association. But apparently he's quite hypocritical in that it's "OK" to focus on Obama's Islam-influenced ideology and Muslim association.

Outright religious hypocrisy.

Nowhere on those 11 threads re: Obama & Islam did Navycando rush in there to chastise posters for focusing on a POTUS' religious expressions.

'Tis fine for thee & thine, apparently to Navycando...but not for me.

Navycando is a religious hypocrite...and Jesus was sharpest vs. religious hypocrites. Repent!

10 posted on 04/19/2012 10:04:13 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

Islam and 0bama will continue to get a pass. [Unkus]


I did not mean on Free Republic and should have been clear on that. FR covers the muslim obama very well. I meant coverage by the MSm and indicated that.

Thanks for the information.


11 posted on 04/19/2012 10:17:29 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: NavyCanDo
The only reason I haven’t left FR yet, is because I’m curious just how Pro-Obama this forum is going to go.

You are clearly dedicated to the Bishop Romney and his politics, but I'm surprised that you are so supportive of Mormonism.

13 posted on 04/19/2012 10:22:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: ansel12
Nice job digging back finding past post of mine. Maybe if you would dig father back you will see I strongly supported Cain, and before him Palin, and before her Bush. Romney was never in the mix until now when he is the only one left standing. And maybe you would also learn from my old post what church I attend, which is not Mormon.
14 posted on 04/19/2012 10:37:09 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

It wasn’t “digging”, you posted it yesterday. You seem to have turned against freerepublic for Mormonism and Romneyism, is that correct?


15 posted on 04/19/2012 11:06:56 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: ansel12; NavyCanDo
(To Navycando): You seem to have turned against freerepublic for Mormonism and Romneyism, is that correct?

Good question.

17 posted on 04/19/2012 11:17:45 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian
...looking to the Internet for answers...
18 posted on 04/20/2012 3:38:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
...We’ve never had a period of—I’ll call it apostasy—like we’re having now.”

And neither has the CHRISTIAN world!!

But, from the begining, MORMONism's entire period has been HERESY!

19 posted on 04/20/2012 3:40:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
The Anti-Mormon Moment: LDS critics capitalize on ...

The Anti-Mormon Christian Moment: people lacking knowledge of the Bible are being taught. Those ignorant of MORMONism are seeing it revealed.

20 posted on 04/20/2012 3:42:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
“It isn’t coincidental that the church has got this ‘I Am a Mormon’ campaign going and that they are urging members to get on the Internet and spread their testimony,”



I'm a MORMON ...
 
 
 

http://www.affirmation.org/

21 posted on 04/20/2012 3:43:41 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
So this is what we’ve descended to?...

This WHAT?

Exposing HERESY, lies and deception?

22 posted on 04/20/2012 3:45:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: 43north
I don’t agree with some of their beliefs and I think some of their beliefs are wonderful.

I agree with you 100%.

However: MORMONism is NOT 'christian'. It is a HERESY - a false teaching; and it MUST be exposed as such.



 
 
 
Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
 
 
Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.
 
 
1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.
 
 
1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.
 
 
Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
 
 
2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.
 
 
1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
 
 
1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.
 
 
1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.
 
 
1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
 
 
2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.
 
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
 
 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
 
 
Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
 
 
Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.
 
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
 
 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
 
 
 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
 
 
2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.



23 posted on 04/20/2012 3:47:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: TonyInOhio
I'm a Catholic, as are most of my neighbors.

I would suggest that you and your neighbors ask your priest to have a training session about MORMONism.

Find out what the RCC knows and teaches about it.

24 posted on 04/20/2012 3:49:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NavyCanDo
Sad to see your endless attacks against Americans and the church they choose to attend condoned here.

Still trying to float this boat I see.

25 posted on 04/20/2012 3:50:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NavyCanDo
When was the last time a group of Mormons hijacked airplanes and flew them into buildings?

MORMONism HIGHJACKED Christianity (well, is TRYING to) and will send a soul FLYING into HELL!

26 posted on 04/20/2012 3:52:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NavyCanDo
Threads like yours are why so many good Freepers have left and gone other places.

Would those be MORMON, perhaps?

A LOT of them have managed to DISAPPEAR from veiw.

27 posted on 04/20/2012 3:53:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NavyCanDo
LOL! You’re absolutely hysterical.

Funny and ACCURATE!

What a combo!

28 posted on 04/20/2012 3:54:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NavyCanDo
...when he is the only one left standing.

Oh?

I have MISSED the 'fact' that he has the nomination of the Republican Party.

29 posted on 04/20/2012 3:55:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
"I have MISSED the 'fact' that he has the nomination of the Republican Party."

Yeah its been all over ALL of the Networks. Which is nice cuz now we don't need to waste time with Primaries and Conventions and such we just have to tune into MSNBC or FOX and find out who they picked to be the nominees. [/sarc]

30 posted on 04/20/2012 4:00:26 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Elsie
BYU's "It Gets Better" Video Passes 340,000 Mark

And then you DIE!


1 Corinthians 6:9-10

 9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
     Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 


31 posted on 04/20/2012 4:01:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/24/church-leadership-post-for-an-openly-gay-mormon/


32 posted on 04/20/2012 4:06:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: NavyCanDo
"Sad to see your endless attacks against Americans and the church they choose to attend condoned here."

If it bothers you just don't have the religion forum included in what you routinely see. Read the help information and you can configure FR so that you'll never see any of the stuff posted to the religion forum and won't even know it exists if that's what you want. If you find some people are insisting on putting their religion assertions and arguments in other than the religion forum just contact the FR admin and they'll see that posts are moved to the religion forum if their focus is primarily religion rather than news and current events.

No one need stop coming to FR just because there is a forum that allows religious arguments they don't like seeing. If they say that's why they left then their focus was on finding a religious site the thought was properly moderated, not in finding a solid Conservative news and activism site. Regards

33 posted on 04/20/2012 4:09:49 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Elsie; Tennessee Nana

SOMEbody needs our PRAYERS!!

http://www.mitchmayne.com/


34 posted on 04/20/2012 4:10:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

One of the reasons Mitts has been chosen is to distract us from the thug Obama


35 posted on 04/20/2012 4:13:19 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: unkus

He’s not running on religion. He’s running on the economy. I guess sharia law is preferable to some, ‘cause it’s coming.


36 posted on 04/20/2012 4:13:54 AM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: jersey117
I guess sharia law is preferable to some, ‘cause it’s coming.

Is that law based on religion??


THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 

37 posted on 04/20/2012 6:04:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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This is the religion forum if you don’t like the discussion stay away.
This discussion is about mormonISM not individual mormons.
mormonISM will be laid bare, exposed for what it is - SLC is at the same time excited about Romney fulling prophecy and terrified people will find out what mormonISM actually is.
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38 posted on 04/20/2012 6:29:23 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: jersey117

You’re right.


39 posted on 04/20/2012 9:03:02 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: NavyCanDo
"When was the last time a group of Mormons hijacked airplanes and flew them into buildings?"

Straw man argument. I don't believe any of the 911 hijackers are running for office this go around.

Much better question you should be asking:

When was the last time a Mormon seized a government office and used it to further the killing of tens of thousands of innocent babies - subsidized by the taxpayers - and then undermined the sacred institution of marriage by willfully appointing liberal, gay-favoring, judges, and followed that up by personally approving hundreds of gay marriages, and then followed it up by attacking the liberty of citizens using coercive government mandates?

Gee, I can only think of one time and one Mormon who did this... and I'm guessing you want to pull the lever to put him in office?
40 posted on 04/20/2012 9:04:53 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("Of two evils, choose neither." -- Charles Spurgeon)
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To: Colofornian

more well-known Mormons, including Brandon Flowers, lead singer of The Killers.
___________________________________

now doesnt that sound sweet and down-home...


41 posted on 04/20/2012 9:52:43 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: TonyInOhio

“You believe what you want to believe about the Mormans; for my part, I will never forget how they acted as Christ taught in helping a stranger in need.”

Don’t confuse works as a belief in Jesus Christ. There are plenty of non religious organizations that offer aid in times of need. Although Mormans say their belief in Christ is real, it is not the Jesus of the Bible. It is their version of Jesus Christ. Jesus was not the brother of Lucifer as the Mormans believe. They may be fine as individuals and even as a group, however its not about what they do, but what they believe.


42 posted on 04/20/2012 11:02:44 AM PDT by Bruinator ("For socialism is not merely the labour question, it is before all things an atheistic question")
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