Posted on 04/22/2012 11:23:32 AM PDT by NYer
Note -- ALL of it:
the Father is 100% God
the Son is 100% God
the Holy Spirit is 100% God
All are co-equal
All are co-powerful
All are co-existing
All are omniescient (IOWs exist inifitously and outside of time and space)
That All live in All time and space
do you realize that it is inconsistent with God creating everything in six days, as Scripture states?
Do you realize that this theory if you hold to it puts death, disease, and suffering before the Fall, contrary to Scripture?
Wow, folks use that to compare Odin's handing on a tree to condemn us Christians. wow...
Symbol is derived from the Greek word symbolon, meaning half of a broken object. Symbolon also means a gathering, collection or summary. Its earliest uses was as a proof of a pact or contract. Often a sacred object would be broken and the pieces distributed between the parties. The pieces remained the symbol of the agreement and the perfect fit with the other pieces, like a key, proved the legitimacy of the relationship.
All persons were created in His image by God and for God and have within their hearts a desire to return to God. Pagan symbols, rituals, and practices that fit perfectly with the Word of God are not a coincidence, unless one presumes that God would have been too damned dumb to plant and make use of them when calling His lost and separated Children home. Because God is the author of all truth and beauty, any traces of truth or beauty found in paganism was of God. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church"
1147 God speaks to man through the visible creation. The material cosmos is so presented to man's intelligence that he can read there traces of its Creator. Light and darkness, wind and fire, water and earth, the tree and its fruit speak of God and symbolize both his greatness and his nearness.
1148 Inasmuch as they are creatures, these perceptible realities can become means of expressing the action of God who sanctifies men, and the action of men who offer worship to God. The same is true of signs and symbols taken from the social life of man: washing and anointing, breaking bread and sharing the cup can express the sanctifying presence of God and man's gratitude toward his Creator.
1149 The great religions of mankind witness, often impressively, to this cosmic and symbolic meaning of religious rites. The liturgy of the Church presupposes, integrates and sanctifies elements from creation and human culture, conferring on them the dignity of signs of grace, of the new creation in Jesus Christ.
Let’s let Jesus speak for Himself. Jesus didn’t agree that Mary was to be venerated above others.
Jesus disagreed with the words spoken about Mary and said those who believed were the ones who were blessed.
Luke 11:27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,
Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.
Further more, when Jesus was a child He rebuked His mother when she went looking for Him. Then you may remember when He made the statement “who is my mother and who are my brethren”.
Mark 3:32 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
So where is the veneration the Catholics like to bestow?
Whoever said she wasn’t? No special place of veneration however. See my last post to you.
Lots of Christians aren’t in communion with the Roman Catholic Church; most of them happen to be in communion with some other organized religion. Why someone would claim to be in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, but to disagree with its fundmental teachings is more than a little irrational.
Oh, we could get deep into where that name “lord” came from and how it began to be used wrongly. I’ll just let God speak for Himself and leave it at that.
Hosea 2:16 And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.
17 For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
Let’s just say the correct names of Yahúweh and Yahushúa will once again be used in the not too distant future.
Sorry Bear, we've been through this before. The Greek word used was μενοῦνγε (menounge). It is used three times in New Testament Scripture; Luke 11:28, Romans 9:20, and Romans 10:18. The closest English idiomatic translation is "of course" or "and even more so".
"The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women."
Been through this one too. The Hebrew word used to describe Jael as blessed was a present tense verb. Jael lived about 1,000 years before Christ. No where does Scripture declare that Jael would remain the most blessed woman to ever live. It simply states that she was the most blessed in Israel at that time.
Idiomatically, when Mary is declared Blessed among women it means that within the group of all women Mary is the blessed one.
Um, NO. It was a cloud for Israel. Then there is the Shekinah but no pillar as such.
I will however say that Yes I do believe Jesus words and use all of scripture to understand what they meant.
LOL Had to revert to obfuscation I see. See ya.
Luke 1:28:
And the Angel came unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art though among women.
Yep, been through this before. You keep telling me how it’s been translated and I insist on sticking with what it actually and literally means.
Menounge - nay surely, nay rather
http://www.biblestudytools.com/search/?q=menounge&s=References&rc=LEX&rc2=LEX+GRK
Let Jesus speak for Himself. I have posted this in a previous post but you may have missed it.
Jesus disagreed with the words spoken about Mary and said those who believed were the ones who were blessed.
Luke 11:27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Nay rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
The words spoken to Mary were no different then were spoken to Jael in Judges. In fact, Jael was called blessed above women. Mary was called blessed among women.
Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,
Those words were also spoken of Noah, Moses, and David.
Depending on the translation you are using the term pillar appears about 140 times in the Protestant Bible. Only 12 times is it described as a cloud and 9 times as a pillar of fire. There is one reference to a pillar of salt and one reference to pillars being used structurally. That leaves over 120 times a pillar is a symbolic construct.
What can you tell me about the qualifications of the contributors to www.biblesdtudytools.com that would compel me to believe their interpretations over those of my senior clergy and professors and the authors of the many books on the subject I have read?
I believe you’ll find that you’ve misquoted Luke 11:28.
Nope. The word used there is “menounge” which means “nay rather”. No misquoting anything.
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