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USCCB responds to SCOTUS health care ruling
Patheos ^ | June 28, 2012 | Deacon Greg Kendra

Posted on 06/29/2012 3:15:28 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Salvation

100 years of the Catholic church pushing to socialize America, and that predates abortion of course, it goes back into a time when the goal was pure socialism.

I can see why Catholics choose people like Obama and Clinton, and Al Gore, it is the left wing political agenda that they embrace.


41 posted on 06/29/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: annalex

The Protestants voted against Obama as they do every democrat candidate for president.

Catholics voted for Obama, and as we learn here, they have been pushing for socializing medicine for a 100 years.

Personally I consider conservatives better voters and the liberal voters as spineless cowards and good puppies to government.


42 posted on 06/29/2012 7:13:02 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Salvation
"Here's the whole story."

Thank you, but I had already read it, but it was clear that those so anxious to turn the issue into an exercise in anti-Catholicism did not. Even the editing of the article for the purpose of posting was dishonest.

I have said it before, but Catholics are treated differently by the secular world because we are different. Individualism is a great working principle for the secular world; for business, and constitutional politics, but it is antithetical for a Church based upon charity and social justice. Catholics are called to communion and unity in the body of Christ. Our mission requires that we serve Jesus by serving those the world has rejected, those the world has abused, the broken, and the sinners. We are called to forgive those who hate us. The world will hate us for this, but it hated Him too.

Peace be with you

43 posted on 06/29/2012 7:19:28 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I was looking for the part where the bishops opposed the law, because it violated the commandment that “y’all shalt not steal”. Funny... I couldn’t find it.


44 posted on 06/29/2012 7:22:32 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: ansel12; Sirius Lee; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
ansel12 wrote:
The Protestants voted against Obama as they do every democrat candidate for president.
Uh, no, that just isn't true. How the Faithful Voted
Overall, 45% of Protestants voted for the Democrat, an increase of five points since 2004.

45 posted on 06/29/2012 7:24:05 PM PDT by narses
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To: Natural Law
"FReeper's anti-Catholic agenda."

What about the bishops' anti-"y'all shalt not steal" agenda? Address that and quit trying to change the subject to some imaginary persecution complex.

46 posted on 06/29/2012 7:26:33 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: narses

Uh yes, the Protestant vote as it always does went Republican.

54% of Protestants voted pro-life Republican, just as 54% of the members of the Roman Catholic denomination voted pro-abortion Democrat.


47 posted on 06/29/2012 7:31:22 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Natural Law

BTTT!


48 posted on 06/29/2012 7:40:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Natural Law; ansel12; Religion Moderator

>> “That is an attempt at mind reading.” <<

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Nonsense; its an assessment of facts in evidence.


49 posted on 06/29/2012 7:42:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they were.)
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To: ansel12
Please read what I type. I don't like words being put in my mouth.

“Catholic social ministry begins and ends with Jesus Christ,” he said. “If it doesn’t, it isn’t Catholic.”

Archbishop Chaput


50 posted on 06/29/2012 7:42:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: JimWayne

I had been to those first. I was, at the time, very reluctant to leave a Protestant church. Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Baptist, LDS. None seemed to match what I was looking for. In fact, they are way more liberal, here where I live, than ANY Catholic church I’ve ever been to, with the exception of LDS. Frankly, if it weren’t for the children, I’d have joined the Eastern Orthodox. There is just no way, however, they could stand quietly for that amount of time.


51 posted on 06/29/2012 7:43:26 PM PDT by surroundedinCT
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To: Salvation
Read what I said, it is relevant to the topic, and the thread, and my posts.

100 years of the Catholic church pushing to socialize America, and that predates abortion of course, it goes back into a time when even the most dishonest Catholic liberal could not claim it as anything other than socialism.

I can see why Catholics choose people like Obama and Clinton, and Al Gore, it is the left wing political agenda that they embrace.

This is the left fighting against America, and freedom:
"For nearly a century, the Catholic bishops of the United States have been and continue to be consistent advocates for comprehensive health care reform"

Are we conservatives here at freerepublic are not?

52 posted on 06/29/2012 7:53:18 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12; Impy; PhilCollins; narses
>> 54% of the members of the Roman Catholic denomination voted pro-abortion Democrat <<

52% of non-hispanics Catholics (a majority of us) voted AGAINST the pro-abortion Democrat. It was the "socially conservative" Hispanic Catholics who voted for the pro-abortion Democrat.

It works the same way with protestants when you break it down by ethnic group -- white protestants voted Republican, Hispanic protestants choose the Democrats.

The reason why the "Catholic vote" is more Democrat overall, is because there is a far greater percentage of Hispanic Catholics than there are Hispanic protestants.

Ansell's statement that "Protestants voted against every democrat candidate for president" is also untrue. Quite a few socialist Democrats have won a majority of the "protestant vote" nationally, including LBJ and FDR.

53 posted on 06/29/2012 7:54:14 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: ansel12

Nope. You misread the numbers.


54 posted on 06/29/2012 7:57:31 PM PDT by narses
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To: ansel12

“Are we conservatives here at freerepublic {sic} are not?”

Literacy challenged, maybe? Certainly numeracy challenged.


55 posted on 06/29/2012 8:01:30 PM PDT by narses
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To: surroundedinCT

I have been looking for a church as well and was heavily considering the Catholic church, but in learning of how liberal even many freeper Catholics are, I am having doubts about the Catholic denomination, I am a conservative, and I just keep seeing too many red flags, too much liberalism, and something different than the holy spirit.


56 posted on 06/29/2012 8:01:46 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: JCBreckenridge
I don’t see how any Catholic in good conscience can pay the fine.

I would not fault a family breadwinner who did not want the government to take his house, garnish wages, or whatever draconian measure will be visited on those who don't comply.

I'm sure that there will be people who are "made examples of" to cow everyone into getting in line.

I've said since it first was a gleam in O's eye, it was my line in the sand. I'm not jumping up and down with glee at whatever consequence my decision will bring.

57 posted on 06/29/2012 8:10:13 PM PDT by sockmonkey (She could never be a saint, but she thought she could be a martyr if they killed her quick)
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To: ansel12; Natural Law; editor-surveyor
Attributing motive, e.g. "your posts are nothing but an attempt to hijack" - is a form of "making it personal."

So is making the thread "about" individual Freepers.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

58 posted on 06/29/2012 8:10:13 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: BillyBoy

Actually what I said was “The Protestants voted against Obama as they DO every democrat candidate for president.”

Protestants did vote Democrat in 1932, 1936, and 1964, but they “do” vote against democrats with those three historical exceptions.

Catholic is a single denomination and it voted 54% for Obama, Protestants, with blacks and Hispanics included, voted 54% Republican.

Hispanics who become Protestant move right, 56% for Bush in 2004 and 48% for McCain in 2008, they are to the right of the Catholic church’s voters.


59 posted on 06/29/2012 8:11:34 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: narses

No, the numbers are accurate, 54% non-Catholic Christians for the pro-life ticket, and 54% Catholic Christians for the pro-abortion ticket.


60 posted on 06/29/2012 8:16:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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