Posted on 07/11/2012 5:53:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
(ThyBlackMan.com) If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment given the lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the Mormon faith. I think that faith must be on the table since it was a factor in the previous election. Perhaps the reason it has not be raised is because the GOP leaders know that up to 25% of their base absolutely will not vote for a Mormon regardless of his credentials.
Let’s take a look at some of the beliefs of GOP Presidential Candidate, Mitt Romney Mormon’s faith. All of the information provided was taken from the Mormon Faith Tenets.
According a Christian Post article,” What do Mormons Believe? Ex-Mormon speaks out, October 18, 2011 by reporter Devenish the following items were cited about Mormon beliefs:
I took the time to itemize some of the different beliefs that Mitt Romney believes in to show that he is not a perfect candidate just because he seemingly names the name of Christ. We have to be careful with the Trojan Horses the GOP sends our way in the name of religion.
I challenge all of the African American pastors to consider if they want to vote for someone who believes totally different from what they preach every Sunday. If you can vote for Mitt Romney with a clear conscience knowing his religious beliefs, his insensitive policies that do not benefit the African American community then go for it. If you have reservations, then you must consider our current commander and chief.
Staff Writer; Kevin M. Jackson
Ok?
If you really think that, how about a compare and contrast of the two you mentioned plus mormonISM against the campaign.
Rather than just say (the two you mentioned) are worse, tell us why you think that.
Why are they worse?
What would be the difference if one system were elected over the other?
Why would mormonISM be better than the other two, (just guessing that’s what you think)?
Throw in some of the words of their leaders, what do you think would be the end result based on their history, if they could follow through on their respective systems.
It appears you want this thread to be about politics,
go beyond a sound bite: “the other two would be worse”.
Exactly how should it be handled given it is religious but mentions a politician who is a practitioner of said faith...
I don’t see any of that as one whit stranger than virgin birth, bodily ascent into heaven, the resurrection of the dead, talking snakes, burning bushes, or separating seas.
I’m not ridiculing any article if faith; I just ask you and others to view your own beliefs objectively before you criticize other beliefs
Killing ObamaCare Romney's advisers who wrote obamaCare, they have said Romney will not repeal obamaCare.
Lower tax rates Romney's record does not demonstrate that proclivity, he uses the phrase "the one percenters", hardly a tax cutting phrase.
Energy Independence Huh?
Life for all unborn children Not possible since Romney supports abortion. That has been his view since he became an adult, he governed that way (free and $50 abortions), he campaigned for senate and governor as rabid pro-abortion. Romney's history until the last week or so is pro-abortion.
American Exceptionalism Maybe, except he wants to tax job creators, IE those nasty one percenters.
Strong Military Maybe, he does equate his sons campaigning for him as the same as military service.
H46>Just so you are aware, this is the religion forum.
And yet you get to keep spouting your opinions, even after admitting that you're a FReeloader. Isn't F.R. wonderful.
Not denigrating people who feel they can't afford to give, just those who try to influence policy and opinion by withholding contributions.
Let me ask, "TheRake", if you're a church goer, do you cut back on your contributions because of all the hypocrites in church or the church already has enough money or something the Pastor or Priest teaches that you disagree with? Don't bother to answer that, consider it rhetorical, since you've already shown us your character.
Romney’s mormonISM beliefs are his core, they make him who he is and color every decision he makes, for that reason to know something about mormonISM would help you know about Romney.
In response I have one word.
Romneycare.
And I would not be to quick on the Life for Unborn Children thing.
Have you not been on FR in a few years, read the numerous documents about Mitt's actions (not his words, they are meaningless)...
If you do you'll see your "right of center" is a tick off...
Well said. Unfortunately it will sail right over the heads of the “my way or the highway” members who cannot seem to grasp the primary is OVER and now it the time for the Party to get behind its’ nominee whether they personally approve of him not.
It is amazing to see people here who actually believe there is no difference, NONE, between the Marxist, ant American, Congress skirting putz in the WH and Romney.
I am convinced that at least some of them are liberal plants no matter how long they have been registered. Personally I have been a registered member of a couple of far Left sites for over 10 yrs ( as have others here mentioned they are also) and take great delight in dropping very subtle bombs now and again just to get the morons riled up at each other.
For some inexplicable reason people here on FR equate length of time registered as some sort of proof of Conservative credentials. It’s nuts but there is no explaining the lack of common sense in some folks.
The (lds) grace is not grace at all if one has to work for salvation, Grace is a free gift. The lds jesus is not capable of giving this free gift, he is so insufficient, the 'believer' has to help him out.
The lds do not beleive in original sin, of course, Adam is incapable of sin since he is a god.
The lds 'hell' is not hell at all, it is just the lowest level of the lds celestial state of being, and you don't get your own planet.
The writer of the article uses the words and teachings of lds, that's pretty much the same as 'talking to an lds member", well better really because most lds members don't have a clue what lds actually is founded on.
Slightly different? No entirely different. Mormons believe the "Trinity" consists of three separate and distinct Gods. That is not the Trinity.
* Mormons do not believe in the original sin of man. [False: mormons believe that Christ atoned for all our sins, including Adam’s, and as it says in the Bible, suffer little children to come unto me as such is the Kingdom of Heaven]
Have you even bothered to read your Church's Articles of Faith. The LDS Articles of Faith clearly deny the doctrine of Original Sin.
* Mormons do not believe in grace. [False: mormons absolutely believe that it is only through the atoning grace of our Good Lord that mankind is saved.]
Mormons believe in Salvation by works. The Mormon doctrine of grace is as follows: "We Are Saved by Grace, after All We Can Do"
The writer of this article needs to get his facts straight by talking to a mormon before repeating what other non- or ex-mormons may have said or written.
Mormons have a tendency to misrepresent their own doctrines.
Tell the truth, IWONDR, do you aspire to someday "High to Kolob" and be exalted to the position of being a God, like Your Heavenly Father once did?
You lost me right there. Tell me that you're an "ABO" person but please don't try to tell me that Romney is "right of center".
We are losing our country to godless socialism and what does the GOP do? Run an abortionist/homosexualist statist whose socialist RomneyCare program was the blueprint and impetus for ObamaCare! I’ll vote for the GOP’s candidate for the presidency when they run a CONSERVATIVE!! Otherwise, The GOP is fast becoming cementing their place as part of the problem! Wake up America!!
No I will not vote for an abortionist for president. Period. It’s no secret. I’ve been posting that I will not vote for Rudy/Romney abortionist for many years.
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Romney does not qualify on any count!
I omitted a 2 word and a 4 word phrase from that, to comply with religion forum rules concerning profanity.
Mormons may "believe" in alot of things. I won't debate what a person "believes" since, as I've learned in discussions with many Mormons, it all falls back to their "interpretations" and burning bosoms instead of being like a Berean and searching the Bible for the answers.
However...what Mormonism "teaches" is entirely up for debate and that will be the position I take. Let's start with some basics...
The Bible:
Jesus answered, “The foremost [commandment] is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;” (Mark 12:29)
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Mormonism:
“the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was” (D&C 121:32)
The Gods plan the creation of the earth and all life thereon” (PoGP:Abraham 4:Heading)
“And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.” (PoGP:Abraham 4:1)
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The Bible:
“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)
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Mormonism
“The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.” (D&C 130:22)
This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: 'It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth... (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46).”8
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The Bible:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1:1-3)
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Mormonism
“Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21), so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26).”
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The Bible:
“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, In order that you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” (Isaiah 43:10)
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Mormonism
“If we prove faithful to the Lord, we will live in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom of heaven. We will become exalted, just like our Heavenly Father. Exaltation is the greatest gift that Heavenly Father can give his children (see D&C 14:7).”
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The Bible
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: >>>>
Mormonism (JS himself)
"...and every man who has a friend in the eternal world can save him..." Joseph Smith, King Follet's discourse.
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Oh, how very sweet of you.
You say Colofornian is boring, yet here you are boring all of us with this boring response to a thread, rather than just boring other people on the other dozens and dozens of threads you could be boring people on.
Wait, I have an idea, why not make this thread not boring by adding to it, rather than boring us with your boring comment.
Yes ej,
Numerous Mormons have previously argued that the Trinity was a man made concept since it couldn’t be found in the Bible. Ergo, it was a false concept.
Now we have a Mormon telling us, yes, but a different interpretation.
Which is it?
(ThyBlackMan.com) If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright.
I do not hold to Mormonism any more than i do any other false doctrine from many other Churches, just saying that i see a lot about Romney and Mormonism here.
So, what is your chosen religion that doesn't fit your list?
Challenging Mormonism’s assertions and teachings is not “bashing”.
If the Mormons can still print in their scriptures (First Vision) that ALL of Christianity is corrupt, apostate, whores of Babylon, etc., then why can’t Christians challenge them based on this?
Religion Forum, discussions on religion happen here.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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