Skip to comments.Does anyone dress or show up for Church on time any more? (Vanity)
Posted on 07/23/2012 12:09:39 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe
Yesterday at mass, a man came in with two girls (both of an age where each could stand and speak on their own.) ten minues after the liturgy began.
He stood along the side aisle wearing shorts, an advertisement tee shirt, and sneakers and leaned one foot against the wall of the church while standing. There were seats available.
When we stood for the gospel, he then decided to sit down. He did not pray with the girls nor follow along with the missal. He held one girl up for the entire mass, talking throughout with her feet on the top of the pew in front of him, even through the announcment that asked parishioners to show up on time and dress appropriately for mass and set a good example for our children. He bounced her up and down, kissing her repeatedly throughout the entire liturgy.
I write this diatribe because I am not sure if I am being unreasonable in expecting people to show up on time for mass, dress in attire that does not look like you are going to play baseball in the park, and behave in a respectful manner (you know, don't talk in church.)
Whatever happened to manners? Does anyone else notice this?
Ann Barnhardt notices.
Notice this readily at Mass - I too could do more in my attire. My guess is this guy is a single Dad and is attending Mass for the kid’s sake only.
Thankfully, in our church (Greek Orthodox, in Southern California), people show up mostly on time and dress appropriately, with the exception of some of the teenage girls. They are dressed well......for a Friday night out on the town.
Not ideal; but at least he got them there.
I, too, have noticed, NoKoolAid. Nothing quite as egregious as you witnessed but slovenly and inappropriate dress, especially shorts and especially men, at almost every mass. Just another sign of our cultural decline, I fear.
It’s not just church - the outfits I see people wearing to work are just as bad as you describe.
The talking was out of line, but He cares more about what’s on the inside than the outside.
I grew up AofG. To this day I cannot go in a church, even to drop off my child for VBS, without a skirt on. I always envied my Catholic cousins who got to wear pants to church. BTW, what happened to the hats? I remember Catholic church ladies always wearing hats, or at least a kleenex.
I’m sure Jesus would have been appalled.
On many levels I agree with you. Personally, if I can’t make the effort to honor God and the church body by dressing and acting appropriately, I don’t go to church (I am not Catholic). However, I don’t think Jesus wants me to miss church either.
My church gives everyone permission to “come as you are”, be late, etc. and many do. When things become a tad distracting, leadership brings it to our attention and everyone makes an effort to improve.
While this approach may not appeal to you, it does successfully draw the unchurched, seekers and those needing a little more grace.
Lastly, in this day and age, I am encouraged that a father still brings his young daughters to church! Perhaps you might befriend them and your “modeling” can help them learn the appropriate ways of worship.
Praying for the dad and daughters. And, you! :)
When we go to honor and worship God, we seem to have made it about us. We don’t really honor God and His Son but think of ourselves or our children. The created on a par with the Creator.
Less than 17% attend Church regularly and that percentage is declining. Christians should not be checking a dress code when they are attending to Jesus command to “go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them ina the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.” (Mat 28)
As far as being late, God is thankful for everyone that shows up to work.
The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 These who were hired last worked only one hour, they said, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.
To me it shows disrespect for our LORD to come in our growdy clothes. There are exceptions, a person that does not have any clothes that are not tattered and torn. The point being God knows the heart. We are to be in Awe of our God, and He knows the heart of everyone attending, praying and bowing down before Him.
Our whole society is falling apart bit by bit.
IMO, if they’re worshipping the Lord and hearing and taking to heart His Word... the type of attire (so long as it isn’t profane or provocative) isn’t an issue.
What is “appropriate” is a purely human convention and that convention is changing as it has done continuously for all of human history.
Throughout the ages people have attempted to freeze the costumes people wear in church and in a few generations they just look silly.
God sees what’s in their hearts of they people whose costumes you don’t approve of and you don’t.
I am not trying to sound elitist. I know that making the effort to attend is what counts.
My gripe is that people just do not make a strong effort to be undistracted—their cell phones go off all the time or the kids cannot sit for an hour without eating or drawing in a coloring book or walking up and down the aisle. Some women dress in tank tops with exposed bra straps and daisy mae shorts.
It’s been so significant at this church that the pastor makes an announcement each week and posts a notice in the bulletin each week about how to act.
I dress up in my formal whites, reds, and sandals. Because I am a Catholic Shintoist.
As others have said, it matters what’s in the heart.
I am 25 and most of the time I wear jeans. Sometimes I wear khakis. Last week I wore a suit and tie (I don’t know why). With the pants, I always wear either a polo or button down. No T-shirts, no shorts. Not because I think they look bad, I just don’t have a desire to wear them to church.
As another person said. As long as it’s not revealing or provactative, then it is fine.
I too was brought up with knee length skirts/dresses for church or longer and nothing else. Men were to wear suits with ties; sports jackets were frowned upon. Shorts or jeans were a HUGE no no even for children, who were expected to be dressed up like the adults. We were taught it shows respect and reverence.
You have to keep in mind, though, that today’s single dad on “visitation” is not allowed to correct his children in any way shape or form, otherwise mom, who 9 times out of 10 becomes the FRIEND of her children after the divorce, will call CPS on dad.
Care to chime in?
I hope you just forgot the (sarc) tag.
Jesus would be appalled at most of you hypocrites,
Amplified Bible (AMP)
25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but within they are full of extortion (prey, spoil, plunder) and grasping self-indulgence.
I’m doing my part - start a new job a few months back and decided that I would at a minimum wear a jacket every day - took some initial ribbing but also received some compliments. Now it’s accepted - hoping I can get more to do the same eventually. Yes even in the blistering heat this summer I’ve held firm, though I will admit I tend to always be cold in the first place and I really like having extra pockets. Anyway - we can at least do our own part.
Timely question. During worship yesterday I noticed a few young girls dressed in what I would consider inappropriate for church. 1 strapless top, 1 midriff showing. Included in the pastors sermon were pointed topics which had something to do with “causing your brother to stumble”.........specifically calling out the way people dress.
Just in my opinion, as long as the clothes aren’t slovenly or too provocative I feel dressing as you wish is fine. Being there to honor God is the most important thing- it shouldn’t be turned into a fashion show, nor should it turn into gossip and snickering between the church members as to how other people dress. In fact, my church (a Pentecostal Assemblies Of God church) posted on the main page of its website a graphic and link basically saying to “come as you are”, to not be fearful of how you may be seen at the church- just to come and experience God’s love and salvation. As for the cell phones- yes that is highly annoying. There are large signs posted outside the sanctuary doors to please turn off all cell phones. On the rare occasion one did go off during a service, the person it happened to was so horrified and embarrassed that the one time it did happen was enough to make them remember every single time after that.
followed immediately by the story of the Prodigal .... where the lost son comes home in rags covered in pig slop .. and the father runs to embrace him and kiss him
Just sayin' ...
Yea, Jesus was always concerned about man’s exterior... (/sarc). BTW, who get’s the “job” of determining what “proper” is?
A person can worship in all manner of dress from naked to evening apparel. Just relax and learn to do the Christian thing.
At least they show up.
A father with two kids shows up late for Mass? I think he deserves credit for bringing them. Without the mother to help, it’s not the easiest thing to get two kids anywhere in time.
If he didn’t take a pew right away, it’s probably because he didn’t want too disturb people during the second reading, prior to the Gospel. Then he moved to a pew while everyone was standing up and it would be less distracting.
The real problem is that a LOT of Catholics have dropped out of going to church, or raising their kids to go to church. The turmoil and dissent in the Church over the past several decades has been horribly destructive.
Let us pray that more people come back, and that the bishops and pastors manage to pull up their socks and educate and inspire them properly as Catholics.
This past Easter at my Catholic Mass, a young 20 something woman came in wearing a very thin , bright yellow dress-sorta of the material of blouse...so thin you could see her white thong underneath crystal clear..yes, that is all she wore underneath and yes, people where looking....
Yesterday I worked the audio for all Masses at my parish. I did notice that the cloting became more casual through the day. 8am - suits/dresses, etc. 10am - shirt & tie/dresses/slacks. Noon - fewer ties, more short sleeves, shorts, etc. 5pm - lots of shorts, jeans, sleeveless.
But ya know what? They’re there. They showed up for Mass. Try not to get so caught up in what others are doing. Be there for Christ. Be there for your soul. Be the best example you can be. Others will do what they want regardless.
a. Was this all the guy had? If so, it is fine.
b. Most of us have something a bit nicer and I do think that when in church you should dress up. Tux is overboard.
They had stilettos back then?!
Of course, what matters most is what’s in the heart. But if someone comes to church and is such a distraction that he interferes with the prayers and worship of others, maybe what’s in his (or her) heart needs improvement.
Example: a young man and woman stroking each other and kissing in the pews, as if in a movie theater.
Example: a vain woman wearing a huge, extravagant hat suitable for the Royal Enclosure at Ascot, blocking everyone’s view so that she can garner admiration of her possession and her beauty.
Example: people talking, moving around, getting up and down, giggling, poking each other, making so much noise that it’s impossible for others to hear.
Example: girls wearing such sexy, revealing clothes that men around them have a difficult time not thinking about sex during the service.
Example: parents who let their kids run wild, scream, hit, have tantrums, and do not take the children out, so that others can’t hear or concentrate.
Jesus doesn’t care about the clothes we wear, but surely He does care if we actively prevent others from hearing His Word and worshipping Him. Interfering with the worship of others is selfishness. And for the young women who wear shirts that show their tummies and shorts that show half their backsides: yes, it’s a sin to be the occasion of sin for others.
As long as the dress is not distracting perhaps it is best to just let it go as a sign of the times. I noticed the same thing started happening many years ago with air travel. People used to dress in what was, by tacit consent, deemed appropriate to meet other air travels (maybe is was because you never knew who you might wind up sitting next to), but now it’s like the bus ride back from Tijuana on Sunday night.
I notice it. My grandparents raised me to wear “Sunday best.” Jeans were for Wed. night teen group only.
I do not want to see my pastor in jeans and sandals. Unfortunately, I see a lot of it these days. Too many churches are seeker-sensitive. They promote the “God doesn’t care what you wear as long as you show up!” mantra. Then they proceed to tickle ears with “Jesus loves you!” sermons.
That’s all fine for visitors and new believers, but The Church has an obligation to preach the Truth, which is far more shocking than “Jesus loves you!”
I don’t allow my kids to wear anything but “Sunday best” to church.
They also wore similar attire out in public. Standards have gone toward the casual, there’s no denying that. What bothers me most are the “parents” who don’t control their children in public places; simply cater/pacify them as gov’t has equated all forms of correction as “abuse.” Then they wonder why children have zero attention spans, diagnose them with “learning disabilities” and feed them dangerous meds.
But then that’s another thread.
Perhaps it was his first visit to a liturgical church...
... Or any church....
And while you were checking him out and racking up complaints about his decorum and dress......
...Perhaps he was looking for God in his own way...
Most pastors would be overjoyed that this man and his kids were there at all...
...And trusting God to minister to them in spite of their (apparent) lack of understanding of how it all fits together...
Food for thought..
Yes, I dress for church and am a little early so that I can look over the bulletin, note the sermon topic and the Scripture reading. Then, I spend time in prayer asking that my heart, and those around me, be open to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
We dress for those we respect. It depends on whether we respect God as much as we do our boss, our mayor, a Congressman or President. Many people think more of their comfort and convenience than they do of God or the sensibilities of those gathered in His name.
Regarding kids in church, seems they had that solved 50 years ago. We didn’t go to church, we went to Sunday school.
How can I filter out crap posts like this?
So allow me to ask a retorical question.
Would you rather the person who is un-churched, attend but perhaps not understand or observe all the traditions of man, -or- would you rather the un-churched come and listen and perhaps be changed forever?
I would caution you that moving the pearly gates out of heaven and into the front of the church will keep a LOT of sinners away.
Agreed, but if it is just shorts or t-shirt or jeans. Nothing revealing, nothing over the top, then maybe it’s the heart of those who are having a problem with it, that need improvement.
I tell ya, one of the reasons I do not go to church is because it’s full of people who are utterly incapable of minding their own business.
Our family has to get to church at least a half hour early to sit on the front row. People wear all different kinds of clothing... It’s not about us. It’s about Jesus.
Wonder if those who sat at the feet of Jesus to hear his teachings were always well dressed.