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God's Addiction Recovery Plan: The Biblical Path to Freedom
Crossbooks Publishing, A Division of Lifeway ^ | April 28, 2012 | Michael Wrenn

Posted on 08/10/2012 3:48:44 PM PDT by evangmlw

Former addict has authored and published a book on how God delivered him from ten years of addiction. The book includes his personal testimony and explains ten progressive steps toward experiencing a clean and successful life.


TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: addiction; alcoholism; drugs; recovery
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1 posted on 08/10/2012 3:48:54 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

Ye olde bookmark for later.


2 posted on 08/10/2012 3:59:24 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: evangmlw

The 12 Steps of AA, which can be applied to other addictions as well, are considered to be the proven model for recovery. The rate of success is hard to measure but suffice it to say that there are millions who have benefited and are happy, funtionning sober adults today as a result of committing themselves to “working the program”.
When something ain’t broke, why try to fix it?
Dr. Bob and Bill W. were really smart guys!


3 posted on 08/10/2012 4:04:59 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Mountain Mary

Because AA is ill equipped to truly deal with the root of addiction which is a spiritual issue. I not only desire to see a man free from addiction, but living a productive, peaceful, and joyous life. Jesus Christ alone can truly set the addict free. “For whom the Son sets free is free indeed.” Under AA, a man will always be tied to his addiction, he will be an addict for life. Thank God, I’m free, I’m a new person, no longer an addict. Not only am I free, I have an eternal home in an eternal kingdom. AA cannot offer that! I spent a few years in AA before discoveing and coming to understand and experience this great truth. What good is a sober man, if he still dies and goes to hell? Was he really free, or chasing after a lie? A supernatural transformation performed by Christ goes far beyone the reformation offered by AA, as well as other secular programs. GARP offers life!


4 posted on 08/10/2012 4:23:08 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

I agree with you. I think we all complicate sobriety by thinking it calls for rehab or we have to do it for our kids, etc., etc., but the fact is, it is submission to God and Jesus Christ that heals us.

Your post reminds me of the scripture (I’ll butcher it) that talks about the woman that sweeps out her house but does not believe in God, and the house fills up 7 fold with demons...we MUST replace the addiction with a relationship in Jesus Christ for us to be made whole


5 posted on 08/10/2012 5:29:42 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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Pingers


6 posted on 08/10/2012 5:53:57 PM PDT by crghill (Silly Mormons, God is triune.)
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To: evangmlw; All

Addiction and Grace - Gerald May

http://www.amazon.com/Addiction-Grace-Spirituality-Healing-Addictions/dp/0061122432/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1344646512&sr=1-1&keywords=addiction+and+grace+-+may#_

The very best faith based addiction book available. I recommend this and have seen and worked with many “step” models. We recover from all sin by Grace Alone, the AA model and all that emulate it are secular at best, at worst demonic. Remember the most perfect lie is the one closest to the truth.

Sola Gracia!


7 posted on 08/10/2012 6:07:24 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: spacejunkie2001

Amen


8 posted on 08/10/2012 6:36:46 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

Well, whatever helps break the grip of addiction is a plus...

I have been sober for 22 years and AA is the reason.

And it is a spiritual program. You admit powerlessness, identify a power greater than yourself(for most of us: God)and then turn your will over to Him. Works for me!


9 posted on 08/10/2012 7:22:50 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

AA is neither secular or demonic...You obviously know little to nothing about it. I’m glad you aren’t my addiction counselor!

The best treatment centers in the country, including Hazelden who authored the Minnesota model, are proponents of the 12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous..and encourage those who go through treatment to attend meetings regularly ..which for most of us, is lifelong.

A book is just a book. An author who wants his five minutes of fame or money is not going to leave a lasting imprint on the world of recovery.
Why haven;t we heard about this amazing book/man before?

But as I said, if it helps you, it’s not a bad thing.
But don’t tout it as the latest miracle fix because there is no cure for addiction..only daily remission based on the ability to admit powerlessness, surrender to God, do a moral inventory, make amends, ask for forgiveness and help others.

Step 11: “Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscience contact with God, as we understand Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out”.
Hmmm...Non spiritual? Demonic? I don’t think so, alpha. lol


10 posted on 08/10/2012 7:40:35 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: evangmlw

And for anyone contemplating weighing in on this thread as an authority on the evil of addiction and how to overcome it...
please don’t bother unless you are an addict yourself.

It takes one to know one.


11 posted on 08/10/2012 7:45:16 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous & Biblical References

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol ... that our lives had become unmanageable. “I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.” (Romans 7:18)
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. “... my grace is sufficient for you, for my POWER is made perfect in weakness.” (2 Corinthians 12:9)

..for it God Who works in you to will and act according to His good purpose.. (Phil. 2:13)

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of GOD as we understood Him. “... If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.” (Luke 9:23**)

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. “Let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the Lord.” (Lamentations 3:40)

5. Admitted to GOD, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” (James 5:16)

6. Were entirely ready to have GOD remove all these defects of character. “If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the best from the land.” (Isaiah 1:19)

7. Humbly asked Him to remove all our shortcomings. “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will lift you up.” (James 4:10)

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all. “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.” (Matthew 5:23, 24**)

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. Give and it shall be given you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” (Luke 6:38**)

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it. “For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith GOD has given you.” (Romans 12:3)

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with GOD as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will, and the power to carry that out. “May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.” (Psalm 19:14)

“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly...” (Col. 3:16)

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and practice these principles in all our affairs. “Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.” (Galatians 6:1-2)

**The words of Christ


12 posted on 08/10/2012 7:59:36 PM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: evangmlw

“I’m a new person..no longer an addict”.

Denial is not a river in Egypt, ev. You may be a new person but you are still an addict.

That said, I am happy for you that you have found such a powerful antidote.


15 posted on 08/11/2012 7:11:29 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: evangmlw

And there are some God will save spiritually and not rescue from their addition.


16 posted on 08/11/2012 8:02:27 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: Mountain Mary
I would choose not to call God a liar. 2 Corinthians 5:17 "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature, the old things have passed away, behold, all things have become new." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "...do not be deceived....nor drunkards...., and such were some of you , but you were washed, sanctified, justified." I'll choose to believe God over the philosophies and teachings of the world. I'll take a supernatural transformation performed by God; over the imperfect reformation of man's own doings. You see, my Higher Power Jesus Christ is the only True Higher Power. No other gods can transform the human spirit; for only Christ can raise the spiritually dead.
17 posted on 08/11/2012 10:02:12 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary

What god? AA offers many gods. And there is bu One God, the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, AA cab in a sense be defined as a false religion which leads men astray. AA would tell you, if Bhudda keeps you sober, worship Bhudda, never mind the fact that Bhudda will lead you into an eternal hell.


18 posted on 08/11/2012 10:05:09 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary
But don’t tout it as the latest miracle fix because there is no cure for addiction.

And herein is found the lie of secular programs. "there is no cure for addiction." You have just defined God as not being Almighty. You have just proclaimed that Jesus Christ, the One who raised people from the dead, healed lepers, opened blinded eyes, deaf earsm and delivered men from demonic possession is incapable of healing a man of addiction. This is where you are wrong; and even guilty of calling God a liar. That's a heady position, and it's the position of AA as well. Well, nothing is too difficult for my God, and He is more than able to heal the addicted. This lie that says God cannot heal an addict is a lie from the "father of lies;" Satan, and therefore is a demonic lie. Man may not be able to cure an addict, but Almight God is more than able, and He does. He did for me, and has done so for multitudes of others.

19 posted on 08/11/2012 10:14:16 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary

Satan’s and demons are spiritual beings. They operate in the spiritual realm; and deception is their specialty.


20 posted on 08/11/2012 10:15:54 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary
"A book is just a book. An author who wants his five minutes of fame or money is not going to leave a lasting imprint on the world of recovery. Why haven;t we heard about this amazing book/man before?"

Beg your pardon? I spent 10 years in addiction and was confined to 3 addiction facilities within those 10 years. I also spent years in AA. AA, rehab facilities, psychologists, and psychiatrists, were unable to set me free. Where have I been? For thirty years I have lived clean and free for addiction, have sought the face of God in prayer and Bible study, and worked with many addicts along the way. I wrote this book and spent my own personal money to publish it. Chances are I will never get back what it cost me financially to publish it. I wrote with the sincere desire to help others find the freedom, joy, peace, serenity, forgiveness, purpose, and meaning that I have found in life. For the past 30 years life has progressively and increasingly become the greates gift that anyone can ever experience. Your suggestion that I'm in this for the money is hogwash -- and I have actually given away several books to folk who can not afford the $14 they retail for. You know not of what you speak, and are guilty of judging a man's heart of whom you do not even know.

21 posted on 08/11/2012 10:24:06 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary

Wonder how much money has been made on the Big Book? Hmm!


22 posted on 08/11/2012 10:25:33 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary

And I wonder if AA gives a Big Book to everyone who comes to their meetings as I give my book to those who come to our meetings? Hmmm!


23 posted on 08/11/2012 10:27:12 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary

I am a former addict who spent ten years in addiction. I would eat, drink, smoke, or snort anything to get high and stay high. There were times in my 20’s when I stayed drunk for days. I was in three rehab facilities for addiction, and lost everything. I wrote this book on ten years of personal experience in addiction, 30 years of prayer, 30 years of biblical studies, and nearly 20 years of working with other addicts as God brought them across my path. I am the author of this book.


24 posted on 08/11/2012 10:32:06 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

And I’ve been clean for 30 years, I think I’m very qualified to write a definitive book on addiction.


25 posted on 08/11/2012 10:33:10 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Gamecock

If that be the case, it would be because they refuse to follow His instructions and devour His prescripton. This is exactly what my book does: it provides God’s prescription for healing from addiction.


26 posted on 08/11/2012 10:37:09 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

Every meeting I attend has or will get you a Big Book for free.


27 posted on 08/11/2012 12:54:47 PM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: evangmlw

“this is where you are wrong and even guilty of calling God a liar”.

Well, evan, I was trying to be respectful to you. But the deals’ off when you have the nerve to say such a thing to me or anyone else.

So here goes my real opinion:
You are a fraud and a charlatan. You hide behind your supposed faith in God and Jesus as a means of avoiding the truth about yourself.

You didn’t succeed in the traditional well tested AA program because you didn’t want to. In fact, you wanted to use and drink and so that’s why you continued to fail.

The God of my understanding is a loving God who is not prone to be insulted by those who are trying their best to navigate through the complicated world of recovery.

Any method that is successful for the addict and helps them to find serenity and peace in sobriety is a worthwhile endeavor.
Yours is one way. Their are many other paths.. and I feel confident that the God of my understanding embraces all well intentioned efforts.

And why did you feel the need to advertise and try to sell your book on FR?


28 posted on 08/11/2012 2:09:51 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Mountain Mary
Thanks. You're right on, on all of the above.

Most people who have recovered could, if they so choose, write books about a ton of other things besides their own recovery.

29 posted on 08/11/2012 2:40:37 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Mountain Mary

According to Jesus Christ, there is but One God, and One Way. He arose from the dead to prove His assessment. I’ll stick with him and the 30 years of clean living He has given me. I stick with “the peace that passes all understanding,” which I have experienced in an increasing capacity for 20 years now. I’ll choose to believe the One who arose from the dead over all the false gods of the world. AA is a fraud and promoter of the great lie that leads men to eternal destruction, of which you have falled prey.


30 posted on 08/11/2012 7:10:08 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary

Opinions will mean nothing when a man stands before his Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ. On that day, you’ll not be interested in anybody’s opinion, not even your own. Truth will prevail.


31 posted on 08/11/2012 7:12:07 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: meadsjn

evang’s anger and vitriol toward AA is key here. This guy is a cauldron of rage. Don’t be fooled by his testimonial for his own way being the only way. I’ve been sober for 22 years and have never heard of his book or him before.

Love it(not)when a Freeper strays and posts a self aggrandizing thread that goes against all common sense and proven methods of success, then berates, castigates or condemns anyone who doesn’t agree with them.
Can you imagine what his “meetings’ are like? I would urge the unsuspecting participants to RUN. lol


32 posted on 08/12/2012 1:53:32 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: evangmlw

really????

12 Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous & Biblical References

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol ... that our lives had become unmanageable.

“I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.” (Romans 7:18)

2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

“... my grace is sufficient for you, for my POWER is made perfect in weakness.” (2 Corinthians 12:9)

..for it God Who works in you to will and act according to His good purpose.. (Phil. 2:13)

3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of GOD as we understood Him.

“... If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.” (Luke 9:23**)

4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

“Let us examine our ways and test them, and let us return to the Lord.” (Lamentations 3:40)

5. Admitted to GOD, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

“Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” (James 5:16)

6. Were entirely ready to have GOD remove all these defects of character.

“If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the best from the land.” (Isaiah 1:19)

7. Humbly asked Him to remove all our shortcomings.

“Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will lift you up.” (James 4:10)

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.

“Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.” (Matthew 5:23, 24**)

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

Give and it shall be given you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” (Luke 6:38**)

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.

“For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith GOD has given you.” (Romans 12:3)

11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with GOD as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will, and the power to carry that out.

“May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.” (Psalm 19:14)

“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly...” (Col. 3:16)

12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and practice these principles in all our affairs.

“Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.” (Galatians 6:1-2)

**The words of Christ


33 posted on 08/12/2012 9:38:56 PM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: is_is
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of GOD as we understood Him. “... If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.” (Luke 9:23**) Step three of AA has people turn to God as they understand him. If you understand God as Allah, Mohammed, Bhudda, nature, a light bulb, a golden calf, ever how you understand him. You use a Scripture quote where Jesus was speaking of Himself as GOD. Jesus claimed He was God and specified, making it very clear that there is no other way to approach God except through Him. "There is ONE MEDIATOR between God and man -- Jesus Christ." All other ways are false, and AA teaches there are many ways to God, and is open to any God; hence, denial of Christ as THE ONLY WAY. Only Christ can deliver and set men free from sin. All other ways are imposters and liars -- but you will never hear AA promote such truth, matter fact they deny the truth via promoting thay any god is sufficient. Only through Christ, can a man receive the "grace of God." That's Bible!
35 posted on 08/14/2012 12:51:11 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary
You are just hearing about the book, because the book was just written. You folks who are quick to attack people personally, who you have never met or know is a clear indication of a serious character defect or flaw. Take a good look in the mirror at yourself. It would be rather difficult to have heard about a book 10 or 20 years ago that was only written and published in April 2012. Anger? God is angry at anything and anyone that promotes a lie. Read it for yourself. God hates "a lying tongue.....a false witness who utters lies." YES, if God hates it, so do I, and will make no apology for it. Read it again where it's very clear how a God fearing man feels about AA.

Psalm 119:104 "From YOUR PRECEPTS I get understanding; therefore I HATE EVERY FALSE WAY."

AA promotes and endorses MANY GODS; therefore, it's a FALSE WAY that is leading men and women astray. I base my stand on the word of God, not on the philosophies and wisdom of th world. On your summation of success: All men who live and die without Jesus Christ are ETERNAL FAILURES in the eyes of God. A man cannot be successful without Christ, because Christ is THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE. Without Christ, your way is false, without Christ, you have no truth, and without Christ, you're "dead in trespasses and sin." Reformation will never make a man successful, for he must be supernaturally transformed by the power of God, and the power of God can only be experienced Christ. Here is where the AA philosophy and worldly wisdom goes astray. Of course, "the natural man does not understand the things of God, he cannot, for they are spiritually discerned." Dead men can speak, hear, taste, smell, or feel. Without Christ, a man is spiritually dead, perhaps that's why you fail to understand my words. When Christ walked the earth, He physically raised men from the dead. He is still raising men from the dead, from spiritual death to spiritual life. Men without Christ cannot and do not know God.

36 posted on 08/14/2012 1:08:16 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Mountain Mary

I have over 30 years of being free from drug and alcohol addiction. That’s 8 more years than you do. I don’t have to attend meetings to stay clean; Christ keeps me clean, for the One who delivered me, is more than able to keep me. You see, I’m not only a conquerer, but “more than a conqeror in Christ.” You don’t know me from beans, and your assessment and attempt to make me a liar only serves to expose the darkness that lingers in your lost soul. I will now do as Christ Himself has exhorted me, I will now “shake the dust off my shoes,” and will no longer “cast my pearls before swine.” Love? There is no love outside of Christ. When Christ loved men and confronted them with the truth — THEY CRUCIFIED HIM. Is that what you are not doing to a man that you have never known? Have you read the book? Then how can you make a sound judgment on it? Of course — you can’t! You are not only guilty of attacking someone who has shared the truth with you, you have attacked Christ and the truth He brought to the world. Remaining in darkness is a choice that Christ affords you. Christ is life to some, and death to others.


37 posted on 08/14/2012 1:19:54 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: is_is

Peter refers to this as “wresting,” or “twisting the Scripture” to conform God to your own understanding.


38 posted on 08/14/2012 1:21:48 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

AA works because it is based on God’s moral laws......

it is a good place to start for some.....unbelievers in particular......many come to a greater understanding and true relationship with God thru the 12 steps and your sanctimonious trashing of it is.......never mind.....


41 posted on 08/14/2012 4:50:56 PM PDT by is_is (VP Dad of Sgt. G - My Hero - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: bad company

http://www.rockycreekbaptist.org/about.html


43 posted on 08/14/2012 6:17:38 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw
Because AA is ill equipped to truly deal with the root of addiction which is a spiritual issue.

That runs completely counter to my experience, in which the Basic Text and the Big Book (and my sponsor) all specifically state that the root of alcoholism and addiction is a spiritual malady. The solution to 'staying stopped' is spiritual in nature and they lay out practical steps to removing the obstacles between you and God and to serving Him in all your daily affairs.

45 posted on 08/14/2012 6:23:30 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: evangmlw
And I wonder if AA gives a Big Book to everyone who comes to their meetings

My experience is that yes, anyone who asks for a Big Book or Basic Text and cannot afford one, is given one. I even recieved one of each when I was coming in.

46 posted on 08/14/2012 6:28:02 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: evangmlw; Mountain Mary
This is where you are wrong; and even guilty of calling God a liar.

Dude. Not cool.

47 posted on 08/14/2012 6:30:01 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: Lazamataz

Young man, I want you to know that you also have many praying for you. ... Need any oatmeal cookies?


48 posted on 08/14/2012 6:35:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Lazamataz

God didn’t call me to “be cool,” he called me to dispense the truth. I gave up “being cool” over 30 years ago. When I was ready to blow my own brains out because of where “being cool” brought me too, I gave my life to Christ instead. I am now here to please God, not man. And the truth is, you cannot please God and please man at the same time. That’s Bible.


49 posted on 08/14/2012 6:39:46 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw
Because AA is ill equipped to truly deal with the root of addiction which is a spiritual issue.

Wrong. That's EXACTLY what the program is about.

I not only desire to see a man free from addiction, but living a productive, peaceful, and joyous life.

People that stick with the program and actually work the steps experience these promises.

I think it's great you've found a solution. I thinks it's great that you wrote a book.

I don't think it's great that you come on here and piss all over the AA program.

50 posted on 08/14/2012 6:46:12 PM PDT by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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