On the Queenship of Mary

After a long absence, I’m back to look at FR religion comments. Workload and elderly parents take nearly all of my time.

**Our Lord honors His Mother in accord with the dictates of His Heart and obedience to His Father’s Will.**

Another curious tradition whereby you folks apply emphasis on His “Heart”. Jesus said nothing about his ‘heart’, because.....he would not let anyone think that there was anything in him ‘calling the shots’ other than the Father. He spoke a great deal about the Father dwelling in him, teaching, guiding, empowering him through word and deed to do the “will of the Father which hath sent me”. He also spoke of the heart of man, showing it to be a separate entity from the Spirit of God, largely disobedient, but able to be led by the Spirit.

The Word never refers to Mary as Queen mother. That’s man made tradition. John 2:4 and 19:26 are the only passages where Jesus Christ speaks to her directly; and he addresses her as ‘woman’, knowing in the future people would be doing all they could to elevate her status beyond what the Word had made plain.

The Christ never speaks of assigning a throne to her either. But, she mostly likely will be one of many sitting with him on HIS throne. Rev. 3:21

Mary was given a great honor in giving birth to the Christ-child, but she didn’t make more of God, didn’t make the soul of the Son, or raise him from the dead, or cause him to ascend up to heaven bodily. She did only that which her physical body could do, and was designed to do. Believe whatever ‘traditions’ you want, but I prefer to stick with plain scriptural facts.

Lord bless.

Jesus was an observant Jew. He did not transgress even the smallest part of the Law. As such He honored His Father AND His Mother as commanded in Deuteronomy. Mary has a special place of honor among Christ's followers as the Mother He honors in perfectly following His Father's commands. We are the Body of Christ and She is the Mother of the Body.

Never?

Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The Christ never speaks of assigning a throne to her either. But, she mostly likely will be one of many sitting with him on HIS throne.

And yet Scripture records that the Davidic King did homage to his mother and set up a throne for her at his right hand (1 Kings 2:19). Our Lord is the Word and the Word was made flesh. What is spoken in His written Word is of Himself.

This has always been a great curiosity to me. Has anyone ever done anything that could please God? Has Christ? By your definition, Mary is nothing special because She simply obeyed God. Can anyone aspire to a higher calling or a higher honor? Although Christ IS more... did He DO more? There is not one of us who does anything but by God's Will and Grace. Her selection as Christ's vessel elevates Her just as the gold selected by the refiners was elevated when fashioned into the Ark of the Covenant. We don't make more of Mary than God Himself did... we simply marvel at His Plan.

We do not claim Mary as more than a woman... just first among Christians in doing the Will of God.

**We are the Body of Christ and She is the Mother of the Body.**

Don’t you find it odd that nowhere in the epistles (letters to the church) do you find that kind of expression? And, as I said before, in the scriptures the Christ didn’t address her as ‘mother’, but as ‘woman’.

**Never? Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.**

Why did you stop before verse 6???
“And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.”

The ‘woman’ is Israel. “For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth...” Is 54:5,6 (see also Hosea chap 2).

**And yet Scripture records that the Davidic King did homage to his mother and set up a throne for her at his right hand (1 Kings 2:19). Our Lord is the Word and the Word was made flesh. What is spoken in His written Word is of Himself.**

Solomon showed respect to his mother Bath-sheba, when she came to pass along Adonijah’s request, and had a seat brought in for her sit beside his throne. She did not sit on a throne herself. Furthermore, her request in that case was denied, and Adonijah died.

**Her selection as Christ’s vessel elevates Her just as the gold selected by the refiners was elevated when fashioned into the Ark of the Covenant.**

God told Moses he would dwell between the cheribims on TOP of the Ark of the Covenant? I fail to see the Ark as a type of Mary. I see the Ark as a type of Jesus Christ rather easily. Mary was greatly blessed in her role, I just don’t take the matter any further than that. All power is in God. Only he is worthy of worshipful praise.

Lord bless.

**We don’t make more of Mary than God Himself did...**

Nor do I and those like minded.
Luke 11:27,28. And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, “Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it”.

Also Luke 8:21. And he answered and said unto them, “My mother and my brethern are these which hear the word of God, and do it”.

It seems that the Lord made it very clear that the mother of his fleshly body was not to be given special attention, for he knew that such things can lead to idolatry (not unlike the vain madness called ‘Amercan Idol’).

Don't you find it odd to be part of the Body of Christ and not acknowledge your own mother as such? Seriously, this isn't the greatest logical leap in history.

The ‘woman’ is Israel.

Yes. The woman of Revelation is Israel... and Mary. Just as "my Son" in Hosea 11:1 refers to Israel in the particular and Christ in the fulfillment. Scripture is deeper than a 3rd grade reading level. The Old Testament prefigures the mysteries of the New Testament and the New Testament reveals what was hidden in the Old Testament. The virgin which "will be with child" of Isaiah 7:14 found a particular fulfillment in its day but its fullest fulfillment in Mary as noted by the Evangelist (Matt 1:23).

You seem to forget that after Christ's birth, He and His Family were sent to Egypt by an angel in Joseph's dream for their protection from Herod.

Solomon showed respect to his mother Bath-sheba, when she came to pass along Adonijah’s request, and had a seat brought in for her sit beside his throne.

Read my Scripture quote of this incident again... Solomon didn't fetch her a chair, he brought her a throne. I don't know about you but I don't recall another incident in the Bible (nor in world history) where a visitor is sat upon a throne for simple comfort. She was placed upon the throne because it was her right and station. Heck, when the Sons of Thunder asked to sit on Christ's right and left, Jesus said these positions were not His to give as they already belonged to those for whom they were prepared.

I fail to see the Ark as a type of Mary. I see the Ark as a type of Jesus Christ rather easily.

This is silly. What did the Ark do? It contained the manna from Heaven, Aaron's rod and the tables of the Covenant. In short, the bread from Heaven (Christ; John 6:51), authority over Israel (Christ as King), and the Law (Christ as Word). Your analogy fails utterly because Christ is not the Ark... He is its contents.

Going one step further, God's Spirit overshadowed the Ark in his Shekinah glory with just the same Biblical wording and structure as what was described to Mary when the angel said, "The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee."

In short, there is only one person who has born Christ within Her and had the Holy Spirit overshadow Her... and Her name is Mary.

God bless you.

**Don’t you find it odd to be part of the Body of Christ and not acknowledge your own mother as such? Seriously, this isn’t the greatest logical leap in history.**

Face to face, the Lord addressed her as ‘woman’, and placed her no higher than anyone that hears the word of God and keeps it. So, we are to elevate her higher than He does?

She was used (quite willingly) to help bring forth the earthly man; that wept, hungered and thirsted, required sleep, didn’t want to die but did. His body is now a glorified body. Mary didn’t perform that change to his body.

**The woman of Revelation is Israel... and Mary.**

Would that be because your catechisim teaches that?

**Just as “my Son” in Hosea 11:1 refers to Israel in the particular and Christ in the fulfillment.**

Well, maybe you should write Hosea 11:1 in this fashion: “....called my son AND his mother out of Egypt.”

**She was placed upon the throne because it was her right and station.**

While the KJV calls it a ‘seat’, I agree that the hebrew word in both cases in that passage is ‘throne’. But, she apparently didn’t have a throne beside Solomon, but for that moment (which, as I said before, her request was denied). Bathsheba was Solomon’s mother, and David’s wife, yet never referred to as ‘queen’ in the Word.

**Your analogy fails utterly because Christ is not the Ark... He is its contents.**

He is all of it, and high priest as well. The pure gold candlestick-the Light that lighteth all men. The table of shewbread-the bread of life. The Ark-perishable wood (remember...he did die for a short time) covered with gold (non-perishable), in which there is bread from heaven, life from the dead (Aaron’s rod was dead), and the words of God (John 14:10). The Ark symbolizes the Holy Ghost filled man Christ Jesus; “IN HIM was life, and the life was the light of men”. The Spirit also dwelt upon him at his baptism.

**In short, there is only one person who has born Christ within Her and had the Holy Spirit overshadow Her... and Her name is Mary.**

Yet, all that are born of the Spirit are told by Paul that they have Christ in them, the hope of glory.

Really closing this post in haste. This discussion could be continued, but as a truck driver, my ‘steed awaits’.

til next time, Lord bless

I've wondered about such also.

The English badger isn't quite as feisty as the North American one, so I've been told. 'Have no idea what a Sinai badger may have been like.

Yet we know what the badgers represented, both alive, and as hides --- the latter being humility. The tabernacle was a big 'ol gaudy thing otherwise. Cloaked in the humility of slain "sin".

Getting rid of the things might have made it safer for the people on a simple physical level, too, once the things were gone from the land where the people traveled and bivouacked.

Could you imagine your nine-year old daughter trudging to the outskirts of the camp, in the dark, carrying a small trowel-like spatula to to dig a small hole, then move dirt back to cover her own bodily wastes --- and somewhere along the line encountering a badger? It could tear her up. Much like like sin can wound us, body & soul.

It would hardly matter if one accompanied her, for the little nocturnal beasties are low to the ground, quiet, almost completely blend in with the surroundings (particularly in the dark) and quick. Whatever damage would be done, would happen in a flash, before intervention could prevent.

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