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Democrats join Republicans in booking Cardinal Dolan for final prayer
cna ^ | August 28, 2012

Posted on 08/28/2012 1:31:45 PM PDT by NYer

Cardinal Timothy Dolan delivers a homily at the 2011 World Youth Day in Madrid.

New York City, N.Y., Aug 28, 2012 / 10:31 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York has accepted an invitation to offer the closing prayer at the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, N.C.

“It was made clear to the Democratic Convention organizers, as it was to the Republicans, that the Cardinal was coming solely as a pastor, only to pray, not to endorse any party, platform, or candidate,” New York archdiocese spokesperson Joseph Zwilling said in an Aug. 28 statement.

As previously announced, Cardinal Dolan will also give the benediction at the close of the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla.

Cardinal Dolan accepted the invitation after consulting and gaining the consent of Bishop Peter Jugis of the Diocese of Charlotte, N.C., since the convention will be taking place in his diocese.

In preparation for the Sept. 3-6 convention, the Diocese of Charlotte has posted two “larger-than-life” banners to publicize the Church’s beliefs about marriage, human life and religious freedom, the Catholic News Herald reported Aug. 25.

The banners are hanging on two buildings owned by the diocese and are within feet of where the convention will take place.

A six-foot by 10-foot banner proclaims, “Religious Liberty, The Soul of Democracy,” while a six-foot by 27-foot banner at another location reads, “Protect the Unborn, Defend Marriage, Safeguard Religious Liberty.”

Cardinal Dolan has been an outspoken critic of the federal contraception mandate issued by the Obama administration in January 2011. It requires employers to offer health insurance plans that cover contraception, sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs, even if doing so violates their consciences.

Numerous dioceses, non-profit organizations and Catholic-owned businesses have sued the administration, arguing that the mandate violates the First Amendment by forcing them to compromise their deeply held religious convictions.

President Obama has also consistently supported legalized abortion and is the first U.S. president to openly advocate a redefining marriage to include homosexual couples.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Prayer; Religion & Politics
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1 posted on 08/28/2012 1:31:52 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

So .. after refusing to invite Dolan to deliver the prayer, the democrats have now had a change of heart. Perhaps Dolan’s prayer will result in the conversion of heart of some of those present at the dem convention.


2 posted on 08/28/2012 1:33:28 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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To: NYer

Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan better bring security.


3 posted on 08/28/2012 1:39:24 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (I used to want to change the world. Now, I want to stop the world from changing me.)
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To: NYer

I’m hoping he will slip in some nice pro life references in his prayer, really knock em for a loop. I think the Dems may regret this...


4 posted on 08/28/2012 1:40:09 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: NYer
The prayer at the DNC convention:

"Get thee behind me satan. Amen"

5 posted on 08/28/2012 1:40:14 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: NYer

I hope he brings along some holy water and an exorcist to assist him.


6 posted on 08/28/2012 1:47:27 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: NYer
This applies:

QUAERITUR: Why pray to “confuse” enemies rather than “convert”?

From a reader:

Sometimes you write that we should pray for strength for the Pope but confusion for his enemies.  Shouldn’t you pray for the conversion of his enemies?

Okay.  Pray for conversion.  By all means.

Perhaps I have read 19th century English novels, Patrick O’Brien, and both the King James and Douay versions of the Bible enough that some of turns of phrase stick in my head.

“Confusion to one’s enemies” is a constant prayer in the Scriptures and it is what God inflicts on those who are doing something in defiance of His will.  It also came to be a standard expression in English, probably because of the KJV.

“Confusion” and the related “confound” are both from Latin, of course.  Confundo means basically “to pour, mingle, or mix together”.  By extension it means that, when things are poured together they become jumbled and confused, disordered.  Thus there is a moral notion of dissaray, intellectual confusion, ineffectiveness.  Someone who has been “confounded” has been thwarted in his scheme, has been demonstrated to be wrong.

This is what God did to the people who built the Tower of Babel: he confused them and their wicked goal by scrambling their speech.  In English, “confound” concerns making someone confused or defeating them, or even refuting a bad argument.

In the Psalms we have myriad references to confusion and confounding.

Thus, in Psalms 70:13 in the older numbering we find: “Let them be confounded and come to nothing that detract my soul; let them be covered with confusion and blame that seek my hurt.”

In Jeremiah 8:12 we have this confounded confusion: “They are confounded, because they have committed abomination: yea rather they are not confounded with confusion, and they have not known how to blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall; in the time of their visitation they shall fall, saith the Lord.”

In Acts 9:22 St. Paul gets to confuse people:  “But Saul increased much more in strength and confounded the Jews who dwelt at Damascus, affirming that this is the Christ.”

And to the Corinthians Paul wrote (1 Cor 1:27): “But the foolish things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the wise: and the weak things of the world hath God chosen, that he may confound the strong.”

In the Douay Bible you can find all sorts of uses of confound.

So, in sum, sometimes I use archaic language.

But by all means, pray that the Pope’s enemies, after being confounded, be converted as well.


7 posted on 08/28/2012 1:48:08 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Sin Makes You Stupid.)
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I’m sorry; when a religious leader says they are acting in a non-political or in a “bi-partisan” manner, they ARE being political.

I have no objections to a political convention having opening and/or closing prayers.

I would simply have them - the prayers, and I would not have a “celebrity” religious leader give them.

Using a well known figure is a religious pretense of a sham, as if the prayer is greater if given by such a person.

Having a prominent religious figure give the prayers is a political act; it’s a political party reaching for political support through the prominence of the well known figure giving the prayer. That’s a fact and the prayer ceases to be just a prayer.

Sorry; it’s not “religious”, it is political. I wouldn’t do it. I’d invite a local Pastor from a Congregation in the city of the convention. All the occasion requires is the prayer, not a religious leaders blessing.


8 posted on 08/28/2012 2:15:31 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: NYer

Doubt he’ll get two hours like the islamics.


9 posted on 08/28/2012 2:35:51 PM PDT by bgill
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To: NYer

He should have excommunicated every so-called “Catholic” at the convention. I hate to say it but he’s a pillow-biter.


10 posted on 08/28/2012 2:58:01 PM PDT by namvolunteer (Obama says the US is subservient to the UN and the Constitution does not apply. That is treason.)
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Ol' Ann Barnhardt has some interesting things to say about Cardinal Dolan:

http://www.barnhardt.biz

"Cardinal Dolan, along with the majority of the bishops and priests in the western world today DON'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, HIS CHURCH, OR THE EUCHARIST. Some of them, like Dolan, can talk a good talk, not unlike the guys who sell cheap Chinese cutlery sets at drag strips and county fairs, but their actions clearly betray that it is all exactly that: TALK. Dolan worships power, prestige, personal fame and glory. Dolan invited Obama to that dinner because Dolan, at the end of the day, is just a narcissistic politician who gets off on having his picture taken sitting next to the president of the United States, and being cheered and "liked" by as many people as possible, and he will sell Our Lord and His Church out for a tinker's damn because he doesn't actually believe in Our Lord or His Church, he only believes in the corrupted political matrix and cult of celebrity that has invaded and infested The Church. Dolan is a man completely focused and centered on THIS WORLD and HIS POSITION IN IT. In order to maintain his position, he will glad-hand and kiss the ass of an antichrist. He will happily preside over "gay masses", he will sell out the laity and "compromise" on abortion, contraception and sterilization. I predict that Dolan will eventually tell Catholics that they should "comply under duress" with the HHS mandate, and that it will be "morally acceptable" to pay for abortion, contraception and sterilization, so long as the Catholic "doesn't like it" and does it only "under protest". That cowardly chickenshit meme was floated just this week by Bishop James Conley of Denver IN HIS COLUMN in the archdiocesan newspaper. There is nothing more disgusting than watching so-called "conservative" bishops in the United States literally shit all over the Roman Martyrology - every single one of them, both known and unknown. "
11 posted on 08/28/2012 3:06:29 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: NYer

Or how about that prayer that Mother Teresa of Calcutta gave to the Kansas legislature?


12 posted on 08/28/2012 3:22:47 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fr_freak
"...Dolan invited Obama to that dinner because Dolan, at the end of the day, is just a narcissistic politician who gets off on having his picture taken sitting next to the president of the United States, and being cheered and "liked" by as many people as possible..."

Just before I caught your post quoting Ann Barnhardt, I was thinking to myself "if Dolan is going only to pray, there had better not be any smiling photo-ops taken with the candidates."

13 posted on 08/28/2012 3:34:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: fr_freak
Ann Barnhart is full of herself. The Church will never be pristine enough for her so she resorts to bitching, moaning and complaining. In her narrow world view the American Bishops are Marxist, the Priests are fags, the Nuns are Lesbians and anyone attending a Novus Ordo Mass is a slacker.

She recently posted on her blog that her “mortal sin numero uno is DESPAIR.” I guess that would make CALUMNY numero dos.

The only thing she gets right is the stench of Bernandin did much damage to the Church. By the grace of God that stench is being slowly and surely removed from the Church. As a matter of fact Dolan was a bit of a surprise when he got elected as the Chairman of the USCCB since he’s not one of Bernardin’s boys.

Everything happens for a reason and it’s no accident that Dolan is leading the American Church at the time of this frontal attack by our government. He needs the support of Catholics not back stabbing by people like Ann Barnhart. We need to get behind him or get out of the way.

14 posted on 08/28/2012 3:44:33 PM PDT by pegleg (Lies will seek you out, but the truth must be sought.)
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To: pegleg
She may not be very politic about it, and you may not like what she says ... but I think she has Dolan pegged accurately here.

Let's face it -- the USCCB is not a religious organization. It's a political lobbying group, and has effectively become the leadership of the official "state church" of the modern, secular United States of America. This is why their offices are in Washington, D.C., by the way. If they were truly a religious organization they'd probably be located somewhere in Nebraska or Kansas.

But I'd also suggest that right-thinking American Catholics have written off Cardinal Dolan and his ilk years ago, so I don't see why Ann Barnhart should be disappointed at all.

15 posted on 08/28/2012 3:58:33 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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I think it’s a no brainer. We are to love and pray for our enemies at every opportunity.


16 posted on 08/28/2012 4:08:01 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: pegleg; All
I came across this item on a Catholic blog, posted shortly after the controversy surrounding the Al Smith Dinner in New York City began to get a lot of media attention. I think it hits the nail right on the head (the bold highlight is mine):

It's interesting that [the Author] should mention the FSSP. Catholic orders like the FSSP (and the SSPX) exist because they've already written off people like Timothy Dolan and the "state churh" he represents. The SSPX is openly defiant about it, while the FSSP is rather delicate about it.

I was kind of caught off guard by this story and wasn't even aware of the previous situations surrounding the Al Smith Dinner in 1996 and 2004. Quite frankly, I had been under the impression that they had stopped holding the Al Smith Dinner years ago. Most of the people who really matter in the fight for moral truth and to protect our God-given rights probably never heard of Al Smith, or this silly annual event that bears his name. They're busy standing on line outside of Chick-fil-A at least once a week, supporting a fundamentalist Protestant CEO who wouldn't waste his time with such nonsense himself.

And there you have it. Dan Cathy has more credibility for his "Catholic" moral leadership in this country than Cardinal Dolan does. That's a freaking disgrace.

17 posted on 08/28/2012 4:09:01 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child
She may not be very politic about it, and you may not like what she says ... but I think she has Dolan pegged accurately here.

You stand behind Ann and I’ll stand behind Cardinal Dolan and let the chips fall where they may.

Let's face it -- the USCCB is not a religious organization. It's a political lobbying group, and has effectively become the leadership of the official "state church" of the modern, secular United States of America.

That would be your opinion.

But I'd also suggest that right-thinking American Catholics have written off Cardinal Dolan and his ilk years ago

What is his ilk?

, so I don't see why Ann Barnhart should be disappointed at all.

Lucky for me I don’t consider her my moral compass. Being zealous is one thing, being slanderous is quite another.

18 posted on 08/28/2012 4:25:38 PM PDT by pegleg (Lies will seek you out, but the truth must be sought.)
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To: Alberta's Child
And there you have it. Dan Cathy has more credibility for his "Catholic" moral leadership in this country than Cardinal Dolan does

You are welcome to my share of Ann's kool-aid.

19 posted on 08/28/2012 4:27:24 PM PDT by pegleg (Lies will seek you out, but the truth must be sought.)
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To: pegleg; Alberta's Child
She may not be very politic about it, and you may not like what she says ... but I think she has Dolan pegged accurately here.

You stand behind Ann and I’ll stand behind Cardinal Dolan and let the chips fall where they may.

Those who follow the Faith applaud.

Let's face it -- the USCCB is not a religious organization. It's a political lobbying group, and has effectively become the leadership of the official "state church" of the modern, secular United States of America.

That would be your opinion.

Yup.

But I'd also suggest that right-thinking American Catholics have written off Cardinal Dolan and his ilk years ago

What is his ilk?

Somebody who doesn't pander to the Democrats.

I love Alberta. I don't love Democrat apologists.

20 posted on 08/28/2012 10:47:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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