Wagon Train Descendants tell tale of 1857 massacre in Utah

1857 Massacre.com Truth Outreach ^ | August 8, 2007 | Deborah Gertz Husar

[Alex Murphy]

"Apart from the Oklahoma City bombing, this was the single largest act of domestic white-on-white violence in the history of the U.S.," he said. The 150th anniversary of the massacre on Sept. 11 renews the push by Scott Fancher, Bob Fancher, Phil Bolinger, Ron Wright and the Mountain Meadows Massacre Foundation to boost awareness and gain federal stewardship of the property where the events occurred.

The effort pits the foundation against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints , which controls the burial sites and, the men say, has never taken responsibility for the deaths of 120 men, women and children. Scott Fancher said perpetrators included church leaders and militia members. "They have never once apologized to the families of the massacred victims," he said. "We think frankly it's high damn time."

Ping for later

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***”The church has owned the monument site at Mountain Meadows for many years.***

Does the State of Utah have this site on their Utah road maps yet?

Are you aware that TWO other wagon trains were also attacked? The Shepherd Train and the Miltmore train. Both suffered loss of life in those attacks and the people said the attackers were white men dressed as Indians.

Do you know that local mormons considered the Mountain Meadows site haunted for many years.

Fancher owned 200 acres of property here in Arkansas about two miles south of me.

[Tennessee Nana]

BookMark

[caper gal 1]

Smells like Axelrod and company.

[ReformationFan]

I remember seeing a movie with Jon Voight and Dean Cain about this topic a few years ago.

[DeweyShootem]

This has been posted and re-posted, it is old news.

Why don’t you post something about the Governors of these two States of Missouri and Illinois posting bounties for the scalps of any Mormon, man, woman or child that is truly barbaric. Their only crime was being of the LDS Faith. LOOK IT UP!

[righttackle44]

When I was in college in the late 1960's, I wanted to go to southwestern Utah to see how deeply the Shivwits Paiutes were involved in the massacre. I wrote a man I'd met, a Southern Baptist pastor who had lived in the area for a number of years. I told him what I wanted to do, perhaps later submitting the resulting document for publication. I mailed the letter on Sunday. (In those days, it was possible to do that, and have it picked up that afternoon.) I had an answer back by Thursday. He basically said, "Don't go. There are first and second generation children of the perpetrators still alive, and they are very protective of their family reputations. I don't want to say that you would be in danger, but--just don't go.

I took the letter to the mother of an LDS girl I'd dated in high school. Their family was from the Beaver area. She read the letter. Then she folded it and put her hand on mine. "I'd say he gave you good advice."

Having by that time a wife and two sons, I didn't go.

[SnuffaBolshevik]

A 5 year old article about a 157 year old incident.

What is your agenda?

[NorthernCrunchyCon]

I was not aware of of the other two other wagon trains attacked. Thanks. I will have to research this.

I was aware, however, that Brigham Young ordered the desecration of the cross atop of the original cairn marking the gravesite of the massacre’s Christian victims, and that despite numerous requests the LDS has refused to restore this Christian symbol over the grave of the Christian martyrs massacred by Mormons during this slaughter.

For more information on this desecration, click here:
http://1857massacre.com/MMM/brigham_young_desecrated.htm

[Cicero]

I believe that the Mountain Meadows Massacre lies behind Arthur Conan Doyle's first Sherlock Holmes tale, A Study in Scarlet.

[NorthernCrunchyCon]

> A 5 year old article about a 157 year old incident.

Yes, as of tomorrow (Sept 11) EXACTLY 157 years.

> What is your agenda?

To have the cross restored to its rightful place atop the cairn marking the gravesite of the massacre’s Christian victims.

One would think that after 157 years the LDS would end the current desecration and allow its Christian victims to rest in peace.

“They shall grow not old,
as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them,
nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun
and in the morning
We will remember them.”

[who_would_fardels_bear]

I guess I'll have to vote for Obama now.

Either that, or whatever opportunist rises to the "top" of the Constitution/American Independent/Alan Keyes Pyramid ... er ... Party.

[SampleMan]

A 5 year old article about a 157 year old incident.

Do we know for certain that Romney didn't order this attack? It might be in his tax records.

[SnuffaBolshevik]

"Do we know for certain that Romney didn't order this attack? It might be in his tax records."

The snake wrestlers just can't let it go.

They will reap the whirlwind just like the rest of us.

[House Atreides]

Well, you became a member of this forum in Feb 2012. I reviewed your postings since April (one page’s worth of forum search results). Since that time you’ve been on an anti-Romney jihad. My opinion is that you’ll shed no tears (except perhaps tears of joy) should Obama win reelection.

I think I’ll work a little harder to elect conservatives and Republicans in November’s election in your honor.

[Brad from Tennessee]

[”. . .this was the single largest act of domestic white-on-white violence in the history of the U.S.”]

The Kansas-Missouri squabble beginning in the 1850’s left a lot of people dead. William Quantrill’s raid on Lawrence, Kansas in 1863 killed roughly 200 people.

And what's this about “white-on-white violence?” Do white-on-black or white-on-indian massacres rate lower on the moral scale?

[1035rep]

Somebody post pics of the Muslims bringing down the WTC in the name of Allah, it’s about 150 years more current.

Barack Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth.” In an interview with The New York Times, Obama recited, “Allah is supreme, Allah is supreme, Allah is supreme, Allah is supreme. I witness that there is no god but Allah.”