Posted on 12/19/2012 6:48:59 AM PST by marshmallow
Ireland is to legalise abortions when the mother's life is at risk, including when she is suicidal, in an historic move expected to spark a major battle with the Roman Catholic church.
Ireland’s cabinet took the decision on Tuesday following a huge public outcry over the death of Savita Halappanavar, a pregnant woman in October who died after her repeated requests for an abortion were refused while she was suffering a miscarriage.
The Irish government has decided to repeal legislation that makes abortion a criminal act and to introduce regulations setting out when doctors can perform an abortion when a woman’s life is regarded as being at risk, including by suicide.
Dr James Reilly, the Irish health minister, said that the government was aware of the controversy surrounding abortion.
"I know that most people have personal views on this matter. However, the government is committed to ensuring that the safety of pregnant women in Ireland is maintained and strengthened. We must fulfil our duty of care towards them," he said.
"For that purpose, we will clarify in legislation and regulation what is available by way of treatment to a woman when a pregnancy gives rise to a threat to a woman's life. We will also clarify what is legal for the professionals who must provide that care while at all times taking full account of the equal right to life of the unborn child."
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Ireland suffered badly at the hands of the Brit Papists,the Cromwell Puritans and the Prod Limeys for a thousand years.
YOU read a little history—and if you want to debate all the “wonderful” things the popes supported, well that's another whole new encyclopedia of historical atrocities we can pursue.
This is an Irish thread so take your pathetic English paralogisms elsewhere.
If so, why?
The first problem with the Catholic church and Catholics in general is they can't seem to identify who their adversaries are. Half of them are supporting and voting for the very people and party's that are undermining Catholicism in the West.
You've got the silly situation of Catholic leaders supporting leftist party's and politicians, and then wondering why Christians are losing the debate over abortion, gay marriage, etc.
A good first step would be for the Catholic church and the faithful to STOP supporting liberals, leftists, socialists, etc. It's as if they can't figure out that the left are secular socialists and will always do everything possible to undermine the Christian church.
HR, this Irish nationalist nonsense is quite tired and is rooted in sloppy leftist thinking.
The leading lights of the Irish nationalist movement have consistently been left-wing Irish citizens of English extraction and Protestant religion.
Theobald Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmett, Charles Parnell, Patrick Pearse, Thomas Osborne Davis, Robert Erskine Childers, the list goes on and on.
Irish nationalism is largely an English invention.
Ireland suffered badly
They seem OK now.
And they probably are doing well precisely because when the Irish were given a choice between being grown ups or embracing grievance/victimology/terrorism the vast majority of the Irish chose to be grown ups.
Which is why Dublin is Dublin, and not the Gaza Strip or Bosnia.
This is an Irish thread
Actually, it's an American thread - on an American website - that happens to be discussing Irish politics and society.
your pathetic English paralogisms
I see no logical flaws, let alone Englishness, in ZC's posts.
St. Patrick’s best efforts were for nought. The snakes are back in Ireland.
And they will have their vengeance with the blood of millions of innocents. And one day, who knows, given the already low regard for human life there demonstrated so effectively in “the troubles,” maybe Ireland someday gets its very own Newtown.
...bet you were jumping with joy on January 30, 1972.
Wideawake is Catholic and a consistent defender of the Catholic Church on this forum. He also knows more about it than you do. And he can't be an Irish traitor because he's not an Irish citizen. Americans of Irish extraction are supposed to be Americans, not Irish (unless they are Irish citizens).
...bet you were jumping with joy on January 30, 1972.
Now that's just childish.
First step would be to recognize that a solid majority of the truly faithful (those who actually practice the faith) already don't support leftists etc. Furthermore, a large minority even of the not-particularly faithful don't support leftists etc.
So ... it would seem that we need to:
1) Persuade the minority of the truly faithful who do support leftists that their political voting patterns are completely out of step with the faith they profess and practice. Catholic social teaching is strongly anti-socialist (blither from leftist bishops to the contrary notwithstanding). Specifically, in American politics, being Catholic may not require voting for Republicans but it certainly seems to me to forbid voting for democRats.
2) Challenge those who profess to be Catholic, but don't practice the faith, to put up or shut up. If you're going to claim to be Catholic, act like it.
You claim to know more than you do as well.
Not buying it—my paternal grandmother was a refugee from Ulster/English fascism so peddle your limited knowledge elsewhere.
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