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Vanity: Was Mary "assumed into heaven? Catholic Dogma and Scripture
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Posted on 01/12/2013 9:45:29 AM PST by count-your-change

Although once considered a binding "probable opinion" by the Catholic church, in 1950 the belief that the virgin Mary war taken into heaven "body and soul" was declared dogma for Catholic believers.

As the Catholic Encyclopedia notes in agreement with the Catechism of the Catholic church:

(Today, the belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is universal in the East and in the West; according to Benedict XIV (De Festis B.V.M., I, viii, 18) it is a probable opinion, which to deny were impious and blasphemous.)

(Note: By promulgating the Bull Munificentissimus Deus, 1 November, 1950, Pope Pius XII declared infallibly that the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary was a dogma of the Catholic Faith)

But what is the evidence claimed in support of this belief that Mary was taken "body and soul" into heaven?

In summation the catholic Encyclopeia offers:

(St. John of Damascus (P.G., I, 96) thus formulates the tradition of the Church of Jerusalem: St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven)

(Excerpt) Read more at newadvent.org Catholic Encyclopedia ...


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But what do the God inspired Scriptures say? Paul calls Christ the "first fruits" of the resurrection (1 Cor 15:23) and states the "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom".

Which shall we believe? A tradition formulated centuries after Mary's death or the scriptures inspired by God?

1 posted on 01/12/2013 9:45:37 AM PST by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

Actually, I can’t get too far into this, but the tradition that Mary disappeared from her tomb and was assumed into Heaven goes back to very early days. In the very early middle ages, some of the Irish and British missionaries went to the Holy Land to visit the place of her tomb.

Jesus preceded Mary, of course, because according to the bible he died and ascended into heaven well before she did.

The Hebrew Bible tells us that Elijah was assumed bodily into Heaven, and when Jesus meets with him and Moses on the mountain, the presumption is that both of them were.

They were saved by the grace of Jesus extended back in time, according to traditional interpretation.

Mary was conceived without sin, as a suitable Mother to the Christ, and therefore did not suffer from the effects of Original Sin, which brought death into the world. That was the belief of early Protestants as well as Catholics. Luther and Milton, to mention two.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 9:57:37 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: count-your-change

Your link doesn’t work.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 10:00:01 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Sorry, simply google catholic encyclopedia to find subject Mary.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 10:03:49 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

Is being assumed into heaven with your body and soul, the same thing as coming back to life? Does the body continue to live?


5 posted on 01/12/2013 10:21:18 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Cicero

The purest of all God’s creation in Heaven and on Earth, must surely be assumed into eternity to be with her son and the Son of God incorrupt from bodily decay. She alone was conceived without Original Sin. To argue differently, wold be deny the basic predicate.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 10:21:18 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Cicero
Jesus plainly calls Moses’ and Elijah's appearance a “vision”.

This vision was made in connection with the announcement of God's approval of His Son as a faith building event for these disciples.

As for Elijah the use of the term heaven or heavens must be understood in the light of what Paul said seeing that Elijah was most certainly flesh and blood and the fact that Christ had not yet offered his sacrifice on the altar in heaven.

7 posted on 01/12/2013 10:22:49 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: stuartcr

On that question you would have to ask those who advance this teaching of “assumption”.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 10:25:13 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
My understanding of Mary's assumption into heaven is that since Mary was born without original sin (the Virgin Birth may not really mean that Mary was a virgin per se but that she was 'pure' in the sense that she was born without original sin in order to be a worthy vessel for carrying the Christ Child--and that the Aramaic word for 'pure' was misinterpreted as 'virgin').

If in fact she was born without original sin as was Jesus it does make sense that she was not subject to death which was one of the punishments for eating the forbidden fruit (Thanks alot Adam and Eve!).

BTW Joseph did die a human death and his soul went to Purgatory to await the death of Christ who would reopen the gates of heaven. Fanciful myth or lovely spiritual narrative--you decide.

The patron saint of my Catholic grammar school was Joseph and we were told that when Jesus opened up heaven He went to purgatory and walked past all the kings, queens, and rich merchants into a shadowy corner and lifted up Joseph, his stepdad, and brought him out first so that he could be the first to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Again--fanciful myth or lovely spiritual story--you decide. Personally I like the lovely spiritual story with its overtones of mystical calm, love and human warmth. It also taught us kids the value of humility and quiet grace and that these qualities would be rewarded.

9 posted on 01/12/2013 10:27:48 AM PST by foreshadowed at waco
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To: count-your-change
My understanding of Mary's assumption into heaven is that since Mary was born without original sin (the Virgin Birth may not really mean that Mary was a virgin per se but that she was 'pure' in the sense that she was born without original sin in order to be a worthy vessel for carrying the Christ Child--and that the Aramaic word for 'pure' was misinterpreted as 'virgin').

If in fact she was born without original sin as was Jesus it does make sense that she was not subject to death which was one of the punishments for eating the forbidden fruit (Thanks alot Adam and Eve!).

BTW Joseph did die a human death and his soul went to Purgatory to await the death of Christ who would reopen the gates of heaven. Fanciful myth or lovely spiritual narrative--you decide.

The patron saint of my Catholic grammar school was Joseph and we were told that when Jesus opened up heaven He went to purgatory and walked past all the kings, queens, and rich merchants into a shadowy corner and lifted up Joseph, his stepdad, and brought him out first so that he could be the first to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Again--fanciful myth or lovely spiritual story--you decide. Personally I like the lovely spiritual story with its overtones of mystical calm, love and human warmth. It also taught us kids the value of humility and quiet grace and that these qualities would be rewarded.

10 posted on 01/12/2013 10:27:48 AM PST by foreshadowed at waco
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To: count-your-change

I was thinking this thread would be where someone like that would be, so I asked.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 10:30:38 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: foreshadowed at waco

Jesus prayed that God would make his followers holy or sanctified by means of the truth, truth being God’s word.(John 17:17-19)So myth and such must be rejected in favor of God’s sanctifying Word.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 10:37:40 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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For clarification: Do you believe that Jesus was resurrected bodily, and ascended into heaven?

And do you believe in the resurrection of the body, including yourself and all those who are saved by Christ?

13 posted on 01/12/2013 10:46:59 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: count-your-change
Paul calls Christ the "first fruits" of the resurrection (1 Cor 15:23)

How is that Scripture relevant? The Assumption happened long after the Resurrection ... decades most likely.

and states the "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom".

Millions of Christians think they're going to be bodily assumed into heaven at some point in the near future in an event they call the "Rapture". A fortiori, is it more reasonable to believe that God raptured one woman who played a unique role in salvation history, or millions who are "special" merely by being alive at some date in the future?

14 posted on 01/12/2013 10:47:06 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: count-your-change
Paul calls Christ the "first fruits" of the resurrection (1 Cor 15:23)

How is that Scripture relevant? The Assumption happened long after the Resurrection ... decades most likely.

and states the "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom".

Millions of Christians think they're going to be bodily assumed into heaven at some point in the near future in an event they call the "Rapture". A fortiori, is it more reasonable to believe that God raptured one woman who played a unique role in salvation history, or millions who are "special" merely by being alive at some date in the future?

15 posted on 01/12/2013 10:47:06 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: count-your-change

Heaven is not a place. Living bodies don’t “go” to Heaven.


16 posted on 01/12/2013 10:53:01 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Campion
“How is that Scripture [1 Cor. 15:23] relevant?”

It's relevant in that it indicates no Moses, Elijah, Enoch, etc. could have gone before Christ and if you noted the rest of that verse, Paul said each in his turn, that next it would be those who belong to Christ during Christ's presence.

Millions can believe as they wish but Jesus prayed that his followers would made holy or sanctified by means of the truth of God's word so Christians must seek that truth no matter who believes what or how many.

Remember Jesus said the broad road with many on it was the road to destruction.

17 posted on 01/12/2013 10:59:21 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No, i don’t believe in a resurrection of the fleshly body into heaven.

“The last Adam (Christ) became a life giving spirit” (1 Cor. 15:45)


18 posted on 01/12/2013 11:08:37 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: I want the USA back

That’s one view but is it supported by the Scriptures? If so where?


19 posted on 01/12/2013 11:11:27 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Joe 6-pack

ping


20 posted on 01/12/2013 11:12:08 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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