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The Sin That Brought The Flood...Genesis 6 pt 5
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/the-sin-that-brought-the-flood-genesis-6-pt-5/ ^ | 1-28-13 | Bill Randles

Posted on 01/26/2013 7:20:52 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

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To: Boogieman
Well, if you read that NT verse in context, it is talking about the situation where nobody in Noah’s day heeded his warnings, and just continued eating, drinking, and being merry right up until the heavens opened up.

That is kind of my opinion too, that nobody is heeding God's warning, and are just continuing in their own little world. It's kind of like today, isn't it? It looks like not too many are paying attention.

21 posted on 01/27/2013 1:04:28 AM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Boogieman
"However, the plainest reading of the text doesn’t make that specific implication."

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark (Mat 24:38)

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (Gen 6:2)

22 posted on 01/27/2013 2:15:55 AM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: Boogieman
"However, the plainest reading of the text doesn’t make that specific implication."

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark (Mat 24:38)

That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (Gen 6:2)

23 posted on 01/27/2013 2:16:02 AM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: pastorbillrandles
Josephus: Book 1 Chapter 3 1. NOW this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers; and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many angels (11) of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better: but seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land. footnote: 11) This notion, that the fallen angels were, in some sense, the fathers of the old giants, was the constant opinion of antiquity.
24 posted on 01/27/2013 2:17:33 AM PST by Ymani Cricket ("It is my experience that Senators focus only on pleasing those who fund their campaigns" Obi-Wan)
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To: Mark17; Boogieman
"...that nobody is heeding God's warning, and are just continuing in their own little world. It's kind of like today, isn't it? It looks like not too many are paying attention."

Probably very similar indeed!

However,the more I think about it the more that "sons of God" keeps standing out and the fact that Jesus specifically mentions marriage sounds almost provocative considering 1st:the sons of God specifically took "wives for themselves" not just daughters,women etc but "wives" and 2nd: the obsession these days with alien intelligences,supernatural themes and entities,paranormal,new age conciousness etc etc etc ad nauseum.It seems a lot of modern culture spends a lot of time attempting to contact supernatural beings.And that without acknowledging God at all,in fact in a lot of cases in outright hostility towards Jesus Christ and the Bible.

I can't help thinking it actually is more than just a little implicit.

25 posted on 01/27/2013 2:29:58 AM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: pastorbillrandles

The world was created “good,” as was man. The evil that followed the entry of sin into the heart of man will never be eradicated. Ungodly governments spend all the their citizens money trying to re-create Eden, but they are doomed to failure. Societies without God are festering garbage dumps, the blind leading the blind.


26 posted on 01/27/2013 2:45:05 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Boogieman

Mat 24:37-40
(37) But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(38) For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
(39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
(40) Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

A fairly standard minimal interpretation of Matt 24:38 emphasizes the thinking of man was upon daily carnal living void of spiritual life with God.


27 posted on 01/27/2013 3:17:38 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Volumes have been written in academia on the topic, especially from the turn of the century (1900’s) and with the rise of Dispensationalism.

Euhemerism focused upon the premise that mythology had some basis in historical fact, but studied to what extent it may have been factual vs allegorical or metaphorical in meaning.

I’ve recently began reading the Books of Enoch, and they nicely indicate where much of the GAP theory details were premised.

IMHO, just as a satanic strategy has existed to destroy all of Israel, thereby defeating Prophetic promises to man from God, there also was a prior strategic goal to corrupt all flesh, also attempting to prevent the completion of God’s Plan. Gap Theory is consistent with such observed satanic strategy.

While I recognize the Books of Enoch are extra biblical, and in reading them, they lack the same food for God the Holy Spirit during their study, I find it interesting that the Apocrypha is still considered canonical in the RCC. Also interesting is that the first 12 chapters of the first Book of Enoch makes references to the Rapture on several occasions, while the RCC frequently denies the Rapture, but insists upon the canonicity of the Book of Enoch.

Revelation tells us of a demon army that will be loosed from the Euphrates in the End Times and even its leader’s name.

I’ve wondered if some US military campaigns after WWII and Korea, haven’t been driven by occultic goals to bind and loose demons in those remote lands. I’ve conversed with many a Mason who believe in Vietnam/Cambodia, Bosnia, and in Afghanistan that UFOs an alien contact was documented. Also that many angelic manifestations occurred in those areas, but not always well reported, but kept quiet. I also have observed those who are attracted to the occult describe military operations in caves, which happened to involved blood letting and appeals to the angelic domain, indicating they had ulterior occultic agendas, even where most were unaware.

If such demons were loosed, then demon possession might be much more prevalent than we attribute their behavior/presence in our culture.

As in all things, through faith in Christ we may remain on path with His Plan to be in the right place at the right time to do the right thing in the right manner. So while such things might be interesting, and worthy to consider they might exist where least expected, we still remain focused on life through faith in Christ, and don’t need the preoccupation with the occult.


28 posted on 01/27/2013 3:39:22 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: juma
Now the Bible has written about this and the Sumerians wrote about it before the Bible.

Although the Word of God existed prior to the Sumerians.

29 posted on 01/27/2013 3:45:28 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

BFL


30 posted on 01/27/2013 3:46:22 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Cvengr

“A fairly standard minimal interpretation of Matt 24:38 emphasizes the thinking of man was upon daily carnal living void of spiritual life with God.”

Interestingly, what is mentioned “eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage” are all good things when God is in the picture. The problem comes when God is not factored in - one ends up with gluttony and drunkenness, trying to become one flesh without the commitment of marriage, so-called “gay marriages”, etc.


31 posted on 01/27/2013 5:34:57 AM PST by Diapason
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To: mitch5501

Getting married is an every day event, just like eating and drinking. There’s nothing in the text that implies the marriages referred to are anything out of the ordinary. In fact, the plainest reading of the text is that marriages are used because, just like eating and drinking, they are such a completely ordinary event.

I’m not saying that it couldn’t be an additional implication, but there is really nothing to lay your finger on that points to that which isn’t more easily explained by a less extraordinary interpretation.


32 posted on 01/27/2013 8:12:13 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Diapason

I believe the emphasis is on daily living and our happiness by our own provision, as opposed to reliance on God’s Provision.


33 posted on 01/27/2013 10:19:04 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: CORedneck

**I am sometimes curious about what the physical world was like before the flood. Like housing, infrastructure, technology. I wonder if there was anything like computers or electronics beforehand ?**

Steel is the basis, directly or indirectly, of everything we call a modern convenience. No steel= no electricity, no horseless carriages, no plastics, etc.

There’s no indication that they were that far along in manufacturing before the flood.

The ‘nothing new under the sun’ implies that man hasn’t created anything from nothing. He has seen God’s creatures perform tasks that he himself cannot do, but by using them as models, has tried to duplicate their capabilities, whether it be navigating under, on, or above the surface of the earth. Outerspace? Man simply realized he had to take some air with him when getting that high.

The human brain is still the model for computers, and always has been. It is still unsurpassed in it’s capabilities. Man still hasn’t created from nothing a better living creature of any type than what God has arleady created. Man still gets excited when he finds a another species that he didn’t know existed.


34 posted on 01/27/2013 12:01:46 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: CORedneck

The pre-flood people didn’t need as much technology as us. They were stronger, faster, smarter, healthier... They certainly didn’t need medical technology. I imagine that they could live a pretty good life without all the modern things we have and so there wouldn’t be a drive to develop these technologies.


35 posted on 01/27/2013 12:54:45 PM PST by Tramonto
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To: Boogieman
Thanks for your reply.

It's certainly not something I would want to argue over but it's still an interesting possibility especially considering the inordinate amount of interest in the occult these days.You can hardly read a magazine or newspaper without seeing a deluge of ads for so-called 'phsycics/mediums' offering guidance and so on.

Having said that I think you're right that the main implication is that man is carrying on as if nothing is happening.Totally blind to what's headed his way.We certainly live in interesting times!

God bless

36 posted on 01/27/2013 1:50:01 PM PST by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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