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What If We ARE Alone? Discuss Implications if Earth has ONLY Intelligent Life in the Universe
Self | February 8, 2013 | PJ-Comix

Posted on 02/08/2013 8:37:47 AM PST by PJ-Comix

Most people seem to assume that the universe is chock full of intelligent life. But what if we ARE alone in the Universe? So far all SETI searches have shown no evidence of other civilizations out there. If you have devoted your life to searching for intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, you are probably wasting your time.

The more I study about the formation of the earth, the more convinced I am that the earth is pretty much a freak occurrence whose conditions for life or intelligent life exits nowhere else. So what are the theological implications of this? I would be most interested in reading your input.


TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: abiogenesis; earth; historicity; intelligentlife; scientism
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I mentioned in other posts before that we are probably ALONE in the universe and got flamed for that "heresy."
1 posted on 02/08/2013 8:37:57 AM PST by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix

I’ve reached the conclusion that we really don’t want to find intelligent life.

What we need to find is life we can eat rather than life that can eat us.


2 posted on 02/08/2013 8:39:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PJ-Comix
Discuss Implications if Earth has ONLY Intelligent Life in the Universe

Earth has intelligent life? Who knew?

3 posted on 02/08/2013 8:41:06 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: PJ-Comix

Given that Obama was re-elected, it’s possible there is no intelligent life here either.


4 posted on 02/08/2013 8:41:06 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: PJ-Comix
How would having other intelligent life that was hundreds of millions of light-years away be different from being alone?
5 posted on 02/08/2013 8:42:31 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Who says there is intelligent life on earth ?


6 posted on 02/08/2013 8:44:15 AM PST by clamper1797 (De-throne King Obozo)
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To: cripplecreek
"To Serve Man." A great Twilight Zone episode.

BTW, I am convinced that the reason why so many people believe the universe is chock full of other intelligent life is because of the media. It makes for interesting books, movies, and TV shows. But the "cruel" fact is that we are probably ALONE in the universe. I find that to me actually more fascinating than there being a universe full of intelligent civilizations although that premise would make for a rather boring Star Trek series.

7 posted on 02/08/2013 8:45:29 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: PJ-Comix

The only intelligent biological life, yes. But the spirit world is overflowing. The mischievous ones even like to create illusions of UFOs and aliens.


8 posted on 02/08/2013 8:46:28 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: PJ-Comix

My Martian friend Skippy is highly offended by all this. Yeah, he only got an 18 on his ACT, but he has high emotional intelligence. He can really brown nose.


9 posted on 02/08/2013 8:48:25 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: steve86

Every few years excited headlines break out about how life might have been discovered on Mars only to later find out it was just a bunch of chemical reactions. Nothing more.


10 posted on 02/08/2013 8:51:03 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: PJ-Comix

I also have long thought that we are it. What the theological implications are, I don’t know.


11 posted on 02/08/2013 8:51:57 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: PJ-Comix

I’ve pondered this question and asked, “Would God have created a dead universe?” Almost everywhere we look on earth, in the earth and above the earth, there is life of some sort.


12 posted on 02/08/2013 8:51:57 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Good chance we are alone, but maybe not the first.

Using our own planet, it seems that it was perfect for life yet took 1 billion years to develope life. Further, the dinosaurs had 300 million years to develope technology and they did not.

Further, it took humans 50,000 years to develope radio technology.

So it looks like there is a good chance for life in the universe but no so good for life that has radio technology.

The other problem is that we are about to “go dark”. That is we used to blast our analog radio and tv transmissions spherically outward to anyone who gets them. With digital tv and soon digital radio, we will transmit directionally with lower power.

So we broadcast for maybe 100 years and go dark. Are there other civilizations that have already gone dark ?

Finally, how long do technological civilizations last ?

Will we still be around 1 million years from now ?

Maybe someone else reached our level but has since perished.


13 posted on 02/08/2013 8:52:24 AM PST by staytrue
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To: PJ-Comix
In addition to the probability of an earth-like planet (which you propose is very low), there is also the issue of life springing forth (from dead stuff), even when conditions support life.

The chemistry of a self-replicating "thing" is pretty complex, involving the "thing" that replicates, as well as a protective shell. The simplest "thing," a virus, can't replicate without harnessing some other living thing's energy factory.

Even though the universe is immense, it's possible to estimate the number of atoms, starts, planets, etc. ... ends up being a big number, I think the number of atoms is estimated to be 10 to the 50th power or something like that. Then, do the probability of the chemistry of self-replicating (not intelligent, or even self-aware) thing. That's a very small number, but, in light of us being here, not zero.

I see God's hand.

14 posted on 02/08/2013 8:52:37 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: PJ-Comix

In the grand scheme of things we have more pressing things to worry about.

If they are out there and more advanced and able to get here, we are giving them directions, to wit we more than likely will be enslaved/eradicated.

If not out there, or they are and less advanced we will never meet or exchange information anyway, so it is a waste of time and money. Any signal sent to another system once received will not return until hundreds of generations have past so it will have a shelf life anyway. It would be like basing your stock buys on a 1900 NY Times.

I worry more about the government and/or its spawn fulfilling their agenda and enslaving me if I am still here and/or my children.


15 posted on 02/08/2013 8:53:11 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: PJ-Comix

Keep in mind SETI is only searching a portion of the carrier wave band width, and our own carrier waves have only hit a very small portion of our galaxy, forget the universe.

The only real negative implication if we are alone is that makes habitable planets more rare. We need to find habitable planets for the long term survival of the species, eventually this place will no longer be able to sustain us, known natural processes will lead to that. If we don’t have self sustaining chunks of our self elsewhere by then nothing else that we’ve done means anything. The positive implication is no competition.


16 posted on 02/08/2013 8:53:54 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: PJ-Comix

I was sitting on top of a mountain at night looking up at all the stars in the sky. It filled me with wonder.

“Are we really all alone?” I yelled.

“Ain’t nobody here but us chickens!” Came the reply. It was a coyote.


17 posted on 02/08/2013 8:54:00 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Got that right.


18 posted on 02/08/2013 8:57:18 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: PJ-Comix

I’m just not interested in intelligent life in space. I want planets we can utilize for our own expansion.

Robert L Forward had some interesting ideas on intelligent life. In his book Saturn Rukh, intelligent life was discovered flying in the atmosphere of Saturn but its intelligence was limited to its own experience and of virtually no use to us.

In fact it was determined that the intelligent life was the very reason we wouldn’t return. They had gone to Saturn to study the feasibility of mining Saturn for Helium but the intelligent life would be determined to be an impediment to industrial use.


19 posted on 02/08/2013 8:57:23 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PJ-Comix

I haven’t given it much thought before, but I suppose the existence of life elsewhere in the universe with an intelligence comparable to that of humans would make the notion of humans as God’s special creation a lie.


20 posted on 02/08/2013 8:58:48 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Taking away guns will do nothing to stop violence.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Of all the information in the daily reports I send back home, this sort of stuff is what gets the guys on the home planet ROFLOL.


21 posted on 02/08/2013 8:59:39 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: PJ-Comix

I keep waiting for these morons to give up on this “quest”. I think they have been brainwashed into it (Carl Sagan).

Life will be on Mars WHEN WE BRING IT THERE!

For crying out loud, have the probe throw out some seeds, spores, whatever; dump some water on it; and up-end a salad-bowl over the top of it. The camera images are bound to be more entertaining than just more pictures of rocks. I’ll bet SOMETHING can live there.


22 posted on 02/08/2013 8:59:46 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: PJ-Comix

A few thoughts:

In the beginning God...
His paths are beyond tracing out...
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth?”
“No one has seen God at any time, the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him”
“Through him all things were made, without him nothing was made that has been made”
“The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.”
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Earth was no accident, and it is Satan who prods man to chase alternate theories of our existence. But this comes from from faith, and Science is—supposedly, but given our degraded times, not so much—empirical.

Blake was giddily hopeful in writing “The dark religions are departed, and sweet Science reigns”. A couple centuries later Science is not so sweet, and the “dark religions” slowly begin to look better to a dissipated generation


23 posted on 02/08/2013 9:02:05 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: PJ-Comix

Kind of a leap-of-faith to say the occupant of Earth represent intelligent life - more than half the voting population in America voted for Obama.


24 posted on 02/08/2013 9:02:49 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: PJ-Comix

Without a verified “contact,” there’s no way to know either way. Secular evolutionists use the premise that given enough time, life, and eventually intelligent life, will emerge spontaneously from inanimate chaos, an unproven theory at best. But theists may also contend that God created intelligent (corporeal) life elsewhere and simply didn’t bother to tell us about it. This is also an unproven theory. So I guess that makes me a solid agnostic with respect to whether we are “alone,” as you have used the term. Of course, with God being everywhere the highest possible form of intelligent life, in the ultimate sense, we are not alone, and never will be.


25 posted on 02/08/2013 9:03:12 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: PJ-Comix

Do some more study. Your conclusion is massively unsupported based on the most recent developments.


26 posted on 02/08/2013 9:03:20 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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Scientists have isolated at least 20 very finely tuned variables which must all be present to sustain life as we know it here on earth. They include factors such as: temperature, gravitational pull, atmosphere, radiation, light, stability of climate, etc., etc. The probablility of just 10 of these variables all being present within the narrow range necessary is astronomically high. Something like 10 to the negative 222nd power.


27 posted on 02/08/2013 9:05:11 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
For crying out loud, have the probe throw out some seeds, spores, whatever; dump some water on it; and up-end a salad-bowl over the top of it. The camera images are bound to be more entertaining than just more pictures of rocks. I’ll bet SOMETHING can live there.

I'd love to put a dome over one of those stadium sized craters on mars to create a terrarium.
28 posted on 02/08/2013 9:07:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Alone…Implications…No Spock…No Klingons…No green broads.…Wait!…No green broads?

29 posted on 02/08/2013 9:07:29 AM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: discostu
We need to find habitable planets for the long term survival of the species, eventually this place will no longer be able to sustain us, known natural processes will lead to that.

Since it would take THOUSANDS of years just to reach the nearest star system, you won't find many volunteers for that settlement mission. Oh and imagine the horrible depression that would set in when after THOUSANDS of years and countless generations, they reached the closest star system only to find out every planet was uninhabitable and would have to RETURN back to earth.

30 posted on 02/08/2013 9:07:33 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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If we truly are alone, we’ll have to survive many millions of more years after we perfect warp drive to be sure. The universe is a BIIIIG place!


31 posted on 02/08/2013 9:07:59 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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If there’s one thing we don’t need, it’s more illegal aliens.


32 posted on 02/08/2013 9:09:56 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: cripplecreek

The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Organic civilizations rise, evolve, advance, and at the apex of their glory they are extinguished.

My kind transcends your very understanding. We are each a nation - independent, free of all weakness. You cannot grasp the nature of our existence. We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite. Millions of years after your civilization has been eradicated and forgotten, we will endure.

We are legion. The time of our return is coming. Our numbers will darken the sky of every world. You cannot escape your doom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrIFIjTGt0


33 posted on 02/08/2013 9:11:01 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: PJ-Comix

I have often wondered about the greater universe, and whether God has life beyond humanity that he watches over. It’s obviously never mentioned, but might God keep such things secret from us?

Better to leave this one to the supposed ‘experts’. One thing we definitely do know is that Valerie Jarrett is some sort of lizard from Planet X.


34 posted on 02/08/2013 9:13:36 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: cripplecreek
...the intelligent life would be determined to be an impediment to industrial use.

Saturn has Democrats? Who knew?

35 posted on 02/08/2013 9:14:23 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: PJ-Comix

Thousands of years by current technology, that can change. Einstein gave us the theoretical model for how to cheat the light speed limit (condense space), and NASA worked out some concepts of how to do, unfortunately they all revolve around what is currently unobtanium. But not that long ago every method of energy we use in the modern world needed unobtanium, then we found new stuff and new ways to use old stuff.


36 posted on 02/08/2013 9:14:59 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: JimRed

We don’t need no steeenking warp drive. Just think about it, gravity is instantenous. Gravity holds the solar system and galaxies together. We just need a grav drive. Instant “warp” travel.


37 posted on 02/08/2013 9:15:18 AM PST by USAF80
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To: PJ-Comix

Technically we can achieve about 12% to 15% of light speed now. Unfortunately its also extremely expensive. (We’re talking about something in the range of a trillion dollars for a flyby of Alpha Centauri in a 50 year trip.)

Personally I think it will be a job for advanced robots with artificial intelligence.


38 posted on 02/08/2013 9:18:06 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: discostu

Yeah I don’t sell us short on technological advances but I do think we need to take things a step at a time. We need to master our own solar system first.


39 posted on 02/08/2013 9:23:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PJ-Comix

Considering our own short history on this planet, I think I would prefer that any other “intelligent” life in the universe be very, very, very far away.

We like to think of ourselves as civilized, yet slavery in many forms still thrives on this planet. War and mass executions are still common.

Not to mention, even in this supposedly free superpower, half the country is doing their darndest to enslave the other half in every way but name.

If you extrapolate all that out, and then add more power and more technology - maybe throw in a little “species-ism”, I don’t suspect “first contact” ends up being all that fun for the planet that gets visited by the superior beings.


40 posted on 02/08/2013 9:23:14 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: cripplecreek

Definitely. But the speed issues will probably get solved in a curve anyway, so somewhere along the lines we’ll be able to navigate the solar system in weeks or days before we get any kind of warp drive. Kind of like how we had to be able to go 700MPH before we could break the speed of sound.


41 posted on 02/08/2013 9:27:24 AM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: Cboldt

I think there is probably plenty of life around but next to none with the tech to do radio.

I think dogs are pretty intelligent but they are no where close to doing radio.

the dinosaurs had 300 million years to develope radio and from the fossils, they never even developed simple tools or built buildings.


42 posted on 02/08/2013 9:28:15 AM PST by staytrue
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To: cripplecreek

Hey what force holds an atom together? Why do everything spin, planets, galaxies, etc? How come splitting atoms generate such awesome energy? How come satellites, space shuttle, etc, orbit at over 16,000 MPH? If atoms are mostly empty space, how come we dont fall thru the floor?

I think we have all the energy we need at our fingertips but we are not smart enoug yet to harness it.


43 posted on 02/08/2013 9:29:34 AM PST by USAF80
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To: JimRed

We’re just tiny little specks about the size of Mickey Rooney.


44 posted on 02/08/2013 9:32:06 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: PJ-Comix
Since it would take THOUSANDS of years just to reach the nearest star system, you won't find many volunteers for that settlement mission

Aye, and there's the rub to finding other life, intelligent or not...the sheer distance between Earth and other "potential" Earths, is far too great for us to travel, or even electronically detect other life forms.

Unless some new physical law is discovered, or some technological breakthrough is made--and we're talking about quantum leaps in space propulsion--even if we knew the precise place in which to look, the distances are far too great to either travel. Any such journey would be a one-way trip, with little way to "report back their findings," certainly not to anyone here who would remember them.

45 posted on 02/08/2013 9:33:16 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Springfield Reformer
Secular evolutionists use the premise that given enough time, life, and eventually intelligent life, will emerge spontaneously from inanimate chaos, an unproven theory at best.

That is a SELF EVIDENT TRUTH. The question at hand is how much time. Perhaps evolution requires a trillion trillion years and god created life. Or maybe it takes a billion or so and evolution is true.

But it is self evident that from the chaos and given a nearly infinite or nearly infinite of time, life will certainly arise.

46 posted on 02/08/2013 9:33:45 AM PST by staytrue
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To: discostu
But the speed issues will probably get solved in a curve anyway, so somewhere along the lines we’ll be able to navigate the solar system in weeks or days before we get any kind of warp drive.

I think the next big leap will be with manufacturing in space. People seem to forget the enormous cost of launch from the surface of earth. Bigger really is better in space but its also harder to launch from the surface. That's why I'm hoping for real success from the companies working toward mining asteroids.
47 posted on 02/08/2013 9:33:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PJ-Comix

It may take thousands of years in earth time to go somewhere, but if the occupants are going fast enough, it will only be a few years in their time.


48 posted on 02/08/2013 9:36:20 AM PST by staytrue
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To: PJ-Comix

I believe that we are alone in the universe.


49 posted on 02/08/2013 9:36:24 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Actually, that’s not entirely true. I believe in God.


50 posted on 02/08/2013 9:37:35 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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