Is the Pope facing International Criminal Prosecution?

The ROOD Awakening ^ | Feb. 15, 2013 | Michael Rood

[Cronos]

Won’t go into the blather about the video, but basically the Vatican City is a sovereign state, no one can jump in and arrest anyone there. The rest of the argument is equally daft.

[Cronos]

dunno who rood is, but after what you said, I don’t care either. He’s just your run of the mill Bill Maher type — useless, senseless and spouting lies. It would be good for you to ignore him as well

[Cronos]

QBFimi: poorly

Sorry, but many of the points you raise are wrong or half-true:

1. It's not "dead in Europe" -- I live in Poland and the Church is anything but dead there, or in Hungary or Croatia -- even in Western Europe there are pockets full of life, even in England and France and Germany Catholic Churches in places are filled with the faithful
2. non-support of Turkey -- no continental European, secular or otherwise really supports Turkey entering the EU. Only the Brits do that.
3. His statements to the Jewish community? Jewish Leaders Praise Pope Benedict Following Retirement Announcement
4. "ordering" -- ok, where's your proof for this? On the contrary we see more opening and apologies
5. For Mahoney -- no idea

Finally, nope, it's a big deal, but an 85 year old man retiring is surprising? In the past medicine was not so advanced to keep someone really old carrying on. So this is not surprising for an 85 year old to want to retire from a very strenuous spiritual,mental and physical job

[Cronos]

pro-God, pro-Bible, and Pro-Christ.

Err... Jesus IS God

this Rood seems anti-Christian

Yeshua HaMasshiach (a Hebrew name which, after centuries of churning in the linguistic laundromat, is now more commonly known as “Jesus Christ”). -- another piece of rot. Christ or Christus is Greek for Messiah. The language of the Jews at the time of Christ was Aramaic with quite a few knowing koine Greek, the lingua franca of the Eastern Mediterranean

From the beginning, Christians were called Christians, not Messiahians, or they were called Nazareans

Yeshua in Hebrew is itself a post-Exile modification of Yehosua

He wants people to follow the life style and discipline specified in the Torah (Bible) -- again if you got this from Rood, his lack of knowledge is appaling -- the Torah can mean either just the first five books of the Tanakh or the totality of Jewish teaching and practise

if the former, then sorry, the Torah <> Christian Bible -- the Christian Bible includes a lot more books, if the latter than sorry, the Torah DOES includes what Rabbis and Pharisees dictated over the years -- sheesh, what an idiot that Rood is

Institutionalized, establishment “religion” has probably done more to destroy humankind’s relationship with our Creator as well as one another than all the public schools and colleges, bars and brothels combined. -- wrong again, God Himself gave an institution to the Jews in the form of the priesthood of Aaron and the Levites

Wrong again that God, Jesus Christ called the Church His Bride, an institution whichever way you cut it

There was no John the Baptist type itinerancy rather a community that gathered together to council and discuss important questions like "do we take in Gentiles" and so on and so forth

News for Rood -- the Church is in Christ's plan, without it you have kooks like Rood or Ellen G White or Charles Taize or John SMith...

[Cronos]

jjotto: You didn’t notice that ‘Rabbi’ Michael Rood (or whatever his real name is, wherever he really comes from) is a four-alarm kook? -- yeah, he even says . He wants people to follow the life style and discipline specified in the Torah (Bible) rather than what a bunch of Rabbis and Pharisees dictated over the years. -- can you imagine telling a Jew that the Torah is to contain the same books as the Christian Bible? Or that the Talmud is the teaching of Pharisees and to be tossed away?

[Cronos]

Jjotto, thanks for the link to the hoax that is Rood

Michael Rood has been offering dogmatic predictions of exactly how Bible prophecy will be fulfilled in immediate contemporary history since at least 1998. From that year to this, he has promoted to his supporters yearly a number of very specific scenarios to be fulfilled within months, none of which has ever yielded any fruit of fulfillment.

As each proposed scenario has failed, he has offered excuses for that failure and gone forward to offer an alternative scenario for the upcoming year. And yet each such alternative has also failed. This process is extremely typical in the history of the "End Times Prophecy" movement. Rood is only one in a long line of men (and a few women) in the past two centuries and more who have gathered a following around their dogmatic and bombastic proclamations regarding end-times events

In addition, Rood has a strong tendency toward mixing wildly speculative material in with solid Biblical teaching in a way that totally muddles just where solid Biblical or historical fact leaves off, and where his own pure conjecture starts. If his audience was made up entirely of Biblically-knowledgeable people, this would likely not cause much problem. Such listeners could filter out his speculation. But his primary appeal seems in recent times to be individuals with very little or no foundation in studying the Bible. And thus they might well be expected to swallow his teachings whole, making no distinction between Roodisms and solid Bible content.

-- George, note the last. Jjotto, thanks for the link

[Slyfox]

A “rood” is a crucifix. I wonder if Michael Rude knows that?

[George Varnum]

Have read that expose’ Jjotto linked to with interest; thanks for that. I do like to consider alternative perspectives to an issue, including this one.

Back when I was a Baptist Deacon and contemplating ministry (fortunately my wife talked me out of it) I taught an adult Sunday School course on cults - from which I learned a lot.

In my perusal of Rood’s material I have seen a few red flags pop up here and there, and as interesting as his stuff is, I am not about to swallow it hook line & sinker.

Most ministries as well as political movements, I have found, are like a meal of cod; you have to chew carefully and spit out a few bones on occasion.

Some species of IXUS have more bones than others, but I have yet to find any that I dare swallow whole without getting something stuck in my craw.

Also, I should have made a better distinction between “Torah” and the “Tenach” or Bible with it’s 66 Books (if you subscribe to the KJV sans Apocrypha anyway).

I’m still trying to sort out just what Messianics are talking about when they say “Keeping Torah”, besides ditching Christmas & Easter and going back to the 7th Day Sabbath and Biblical Feasts.
I also have a problem accepting the cannonicity of the Talmud, but that’s just me, so please don’t take it personally.

An extended theological debate isn’t what I came here for, and I haven’t time for it even if it would be true to topic.

Speaking of topic; Have heard that PBXVI is planning on living out his days at the Vatican in an attached Monastery; I wonder if part of the rationale behind that is to provide sanctuary for the rest of his life?

This is assuming, of course that there is some credibility to these claims of an outstanding “warrant” or serious intent of prosecution by some legitimate international court. I don’t think we’ve come close to establishing that at this point, have we?

True, no external authority short of an invasion and destruction of Rome and the Vatican (which the “prophecy” of St. Malachy suggested) could effect him there, but it seems that he would be under virtual house arrest.

Has anyone noted the recent arrangements by the Vatican to move certain operations from Rome to Jerusalem?

(Might need the tinfoil helmet for this one): http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/papal-throne-to-move-to-jerusalem/

What’s up with that, do you suppose?

We certainly live in interesting times.

[Cronos]

I taught an adult Sunday School course on cults - from which I learned a lot. -- well, then you should have caught on to the fact that Rood is completely bogus

In my perusal of Rood’s material I have seen a few red flags pop up here and there, and as interesting as his stuff is, I am not about to swallow it hook line & sinker. -- sorry, but all his stuff is rot, and posting anything from his "preachings" is falling for his stuff hook, line and sinker.

[Cronos]

Also, I should have made a better distinction between “Torah” and the “Tenach” or Bible with it’s 66 Books (if you subscribe to the KJV sans Apocrypha anyway).

Actually you get it wrong again, the Tanakh is the canon of the HEBREW Bible, it hasn't got 66 books -- it has 35 (if you include the Ketuvim) -- seriously, you didn't know that?

[Iscool]

Won’t go into the blather about the video, but basically the Vatican City is a sovereign state, no one can jump in and arrest anyone there. The rest of the argument is equally daft.

That's funny...What, they going to call out the Vatican Navy and Air Force to defend itself???

[Cronos]

Also, I should have made a better distinction between “Torah” and the “Tenach” or Bible with it’s 66 Books (if you subscribe to the KJV sans Apocrypha anyway).

Actually you get it wrong again, the Tanakh is the canon of the HEBREW Bible, it hasn't got 66 books -- it has 35 (if you include the Ketuvim) -- and the Torah is the first 5 books written by Moses. This includes the teachings of the prophets and rabbis -- so for Rood to junk them and claims he knows more than Jews is just stupid on Rood's part

[Cronos]

Also, I should have made a better distinction between “Torah” and the “Tenach” or Bible with it’s 66 Books (if you subscribe to the KJV sans Apocrypha anyway).

Actually you get it wrong again, the Tanakh is the canon of the HEBREW Bible, it hasn't got 66 books -- it has 35 (if you include the Ketuvim) -- and the Torah is the first 5 books written by Moses. This includes the teachings of the prophets and rabbis -- so for Rood to junk them and claims he knows more than Jews is just stupid on Rood's part

[Cronos]

I’m still trying to sort out just what Messianics are talking about when they say “Keeping Torah”, besides ditching Christmas & Easter and going back to the 7th Day Sabbath and Biblical Feasts.

Basically most Jews would call Messianics kooks with "Messianic Judaism" as a form of Christianity that mimics rabbinic Judaism.

If you don't accept the canonicity of the Talmud, that's your choice. why don't you?

[Iscool]

Wrong again that God, Jesus Christ called the Church His Bride, an institution whichever way you cut it

Wrong again...Jesus called the church his Bride...He never mentioned the Catholic religion of Rome...

There was no John the Baptist type itinerancy rather a community that gathered together to council and discuss important questions like "do we take in Gentiles" and so on and so forth

Wrong again...No council determined whether there would be Gentiles within the body of Christ...God made that determination...

News for Rood -- the Church is in Christ's plan, without it you have kooks like Rood or Ellen G White or Charles Taize or John SMith...

Wrong again...The only plan for the 'Church' is written about in Rev. 17...The church on the other hand is the body of Christ, the called out assembly of believers...

[Iscool]

Such listeners could filter out his speculation. But his primary appeal seems in recent times to be individuals with very little or no foundation in studying the Bible. And thus they might well be expected to swallow his teachings whole, making no distinction between Roodisms and solid Bible content.

This is rich....HaHa...

[Cronos]

Have heard that PBXVI is planning on living out his days at the Vatican in an attached Monastery; I wonder if part of the rationale behind that is to provide sanctuary for the rest of his life?

Making up vast "right-wing conspiracy" theories is a job for the leftist democrat liberal media, don't fall into the same trap

the simplest explanation is the most true -- an 85 year old man who is an eminent biblical scholar (have you read any of this books) wants to retire from a spiritually, mentally and physically tiring job and go back to his books. No serious country is going to prosecute him even if he moves back to Germany -- that's a liberal's wet-dream, but it's not factual and won't be -- just as crazy as what you post about move certain operations from Rome to Jerusalem? -- I would strongly urge to refrain from reading kook sites like Roods or seeker blah, blah and stick to the Bible and if you really want to read commentaries, then Billy Graham or you can read the Pope's commentaries or read the early Christian commentaries on the scriptures like Justin Martyr, Augutine, Clement of Alexandria, Cyprian of Carthage, Cyril of Jerusalem etc.

[Cronos]

It can defend against r shariah compliant Saudi army any day. Now go away and re-read r hadiths

[Iscool]

(Might need the tinfoil helmet for this one):

2009/07/27/papal-throne-to-move-to-jerusalem/

I don't believe there's any need for tin foil...

The beast has been making a major move.

[john drake]

Exactly. I’m still waiting for the world courts to go after the former communist regime rulers and their ilk who killed over 100 million innocent people in the 20th century in order to create their worker paradises and utopias. Oh, well....yawn, guess I’ll be waiting until hell freezes over or something like that.