Posted on 03/01/2013 1:10:48 PM PST by Frank Broom
The word belongs in two places in your mouth and in your heart. Because whatever gets into your heart and mouth will make it's way into your life. Jesus said it this way, "For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith." Because your heart and mouth are doorways for things to come into your life and also out of your life. Because Jesus also said, "For verily I say unto you, If ye have faith(in your heart) as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove: and nothing shall be impossible unto you." That mountain can represent a problem in your life. Notice in both of those scriptures your heart and mouth are involved. Notice what Jesus said in Revelation 3:20, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock; if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." What door is he knocking at, the door of your heart(spirit). Jesus (the word) wants to come into your heart, so there is a door of your heart. But, also notice what David said in Psalm 141:3, "Set a watch, O Lord, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips." So there is also a door of your mouth. Notice a door serves two purpose as an entrance and an exit. So things are coming into and out of your life when you know how to work your mouth and heart together. I believe David tapped into that when he said, "Let the words of my mouth, and the meditations of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer." But, notice the heart and mouth working together.
The door of your heart is a doorway into your spirit and once something is in your spirit and you open the door of your mouth that thing is released into your life. Jesus said that this way, "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things." Take salvation for instance, with your heart you believe and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. You work your heart and mouth together and salvation shows up in your life. It's with the heart you believe and with the mouth you speak. So, it's not just speaking and it's not just believing, but both working together. When the word enters you it first works on you (renewing the mind and bringing faith to your heart) and after it works on you now it's ready to be released into your life and work on your situations. So, any word of God that you can get in your heart and speak out of your mouth will make it's way into your life. Let's take Mary for instance an angel brought Mary a word "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS." And Mary believed that word and not just believed, but she also spoke, "Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word." And Jesus showed up and we can live according to the words she believed and spoke. When that outside word became an inside word and she spoke it Jesus came in the earth. How about the woman with the issue of blood she heard about Jesus and according to what she heard she said, "If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole." And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague. And Jesus said, "Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole." So by her heart and mouth working together healing came into her life. So, if you have a situation in your life put the word in your mouth and heart and keep it there and watch the word work (Hebrews 6:12 Isaiah 55:11).
It can be very destructive to someone whose faith is weak.
Those accusations at one time in my Christian walk gave me an awful time. It provides much fodder for demonic attack.
I am well past that now. I am still not healed and RF guidelines prohibit me from expressing my opinion on that kind of theology.
The problems with the name it and claim it theology are many.
For one thing, Jesus qualifies the asking with abiding in Him and His word abiding in us. When we are abiding in Him, then we will know His will, then be able to ask in accordance with it and we WILL see the answer.
The other is that John tells us we need to ask according to HIS will and way too many times, people don’t seek out what God’s will is. They just presume it based on some bad theology.
But this theology of just spewing out pronouncements off the cuff and then trying to twist God’s arm into complying with our demands is that it is tantamount to blackmailing God using His word against Him, to force His hand. I’ve seen too many people who claim what they want to hear or what they think would best glorify God without consulting HIM and then claiming verses out of context to demand God move.
I’ve had more people than I can count, ignorantly - without ANY knowledge of my situation or what I’ve been through, what I’ve tried, what I’ve considered, etc, announce the cause and solution to my problems based on a 5 minute conversation. They are not only doing a disservice to the body of Christ, in some cases, they can just about shipwreck someone’s faith. It can be very damaging to someone who is already suffering and struggling.
The two best responses are *I’ll pray for you* (with no qualifications) and *If there’s anything I can do to help, let me know*. Don’t be condescending, don’t preach, don’t spout platitudes, don’t quote Scripture verses. Don’t pretend you have all the answers, because you don’t and the suffering person knows that. (not you personally smvoice)
God did not give His word and gifts to the church to spend on ourselves but for ministering to others and building up the body of Christ.
WRONG! YOU claim it, those are your words. Now you do your homework.
And I see you still haven't gotten over your angst and sorry life, yet. I can't help you and neither did your long course, obviously. You didn't CHOOSE wisely even though you were given the answer. Failing in that and then battling against TRUTH will get you no where you want to be.
a belief Jesus meant that you can do anything, if you just believe, then pay off the national debt this afternoon. Write God’s name in the sky 40 miles high. Move a real mountain.
What happened to your 'tower/tall building' fetish? Now it's on to money. What's next?
The desire of my heart is not to do 'anything' - ONLY what pleases and gives honor to GOD. Just like JESUS showed us when He walked the earth. I am very happy to disappoint you and will continue to move 'mountains' that are in my way to do what needs to be done - for It Is Written.
While doing homework I assigned you, search out the Power of The Spirit of God. Your fetish for towers and money will soon dissipate.
If you are correct, then you should be able to move the real mountain, not just a figurative mountain. If you cannot, why not?
It's not about me but The Word and The Spirit within. Like I said earlier, I take my direction from God and not from some unbeliever. Now why can't you understand that, it's certainly simple enough - even for an unbeliever to 'get'. You haven't even risen to a small pebble when it comes to what needs to be moved - more like sand beneath my feet. Child's play.
Don’t you believe Jesus?
You betcha! ALL THE TIME! And no devil in hell can make me believe anyone else; however, it's you who doesn't believe so it's homework time for you while there is still daylight even though you prefer dark.
Meanwhile, I have 'mountains' to move with the authority given to me as a born again believer. Thank YOU, JESUS!
I thought/felt the same as I read it and got the visual of Jesus on the high mountain being showed what he could have/do - ‘if you are..’. And then read your post. It’s not too subtle where ‘that post’ came from.
I never told you that.
Jesus never failed to heal, nor did HE ever tell someone that they weren’t healed because of their lack of faith.
I know you believe Jesus, so why listen to others about yourself? God has given us all the measure of faith and HE didn't miss anyone, much less you - a mighty warrior!
The Lord didn’t say “Pray for the sick.” He said “Heal the sick” (Matthew 10:8 and Luke 9:2) with His power that was within them.
Of course, it's HIS power. Man can't heal a gnat.
Is there a separate book for that theology? Or is that what you are doing; naming your disease or allergy and claiming that's what you have?
But this theology of just spewing out pronouncements off the cuff and then trying to twist God’s arm into complying with our demands is that it is tantamount to blackmailing God using His word against Him, to force His hand.
Where is that theology in His Word? Where did someone that was healed - first twist God's arm? Who blackmailed Him/forced Him to heal them? What word of HIS is being used against HIM? Where are you getting this stuff from? Didn't Jesus do just what was The Father's Will and not someone else's? Didn't HE say I only do what the Father shows Me to do and The Father and He are one? Didn't He show us it was The Father's Will to heal over and over, again?
I’ve seen too many people who claim what they want to hear or what they think would best glorify God without consulting HIM and then claiming verses out of context to demand God move.
Hate to disappoint you, or rather remind you - It Is Finished. Jesus took on HIM all the healing and all the sins 2000 years ago, so no one can demand Him to move. I believe Jesus is very comfortable now sitting at the right Hand of His Father after taking on everything for us which was The Father's Will.
"HE was pierced for our transgressions/rebellion, HE was crushed for our iniquities/sins; the punishment that brought us peace was upon HIM, and by HIS wounds we are healed."
It's now our time to BELIEVE Him and then be THANKFUL for 'everything' HE already did for us.
I’ve seen too many people who claim what they want to hear or what they think would best glorify God without consulting HIM and then claiming verses out of context to demand God move.
Perhaps, 'they' already know - because they did consult HIM - HIS WORD. And 'they' know what glorifies GOD and that is to BELIEVE HIM first. HE said He died for my sins, I BELIEVE HIM. HE said His wounds healed me, I BELIEVE HIM.
NOW, I do NOT have to be in heaven first for me to know I am saved NOR do I need to 'see/feel' a healing before I KNOW I am healed.
And no unbelief either with 'I know Jesus heals but will HE heal me - so pray for me.' Nope. I did pray with one nurse who believed like me and she asked if she could agree with me in prayer. It was a simple prayer of thanks on what Jesus already did and that I welcomed joyfully.
You, as a mom, prepares a banquet for your children/family which requires planning, shopping, cooking and cleaning and you tell your children/family what you have done for them and you know they heard you.
What do you do if they sit in the other room and tell you they are hungry but never come to the banquet? Would you expect them to consult you to see 'if it were your will' that they come to eat? Would you feel honored or glorified if they did that OR would you think they never listened or believed you? Or, perhaps they thought it was cold now and they expected you to do it all over again - just for them.
Personally, I'm sick and tired of reading about those who think God is holding something from them. Meanwhile with their own mouth they say they are sick while Jesus SAID they are healed. How's that for not believing? He didn't say we would never be sick but HE did say HE healed us. And HE healed us because He already knew we all would incur illness of some sort sometime. And HE knows you and hears you. And you have all the faith you will ever need.
I’ve had more people than I can count, ignorantly - without ANY knowledge of my situation or what I’ve been through, what I’ve tried, what I’ve considered, etc, announce the cause and solution to my problems based on a 5 minute conversation.
And you listened to these 5 minute conversations over and over again - why? And more people than you can count? Exaggeration?
They are not only doing a disservice to the body of Christ, in some cases, they can just about shipwreck someone’s faith. It can be very damaging to someone who is already suffering and struggling.
I doubt their thought was about the Body of Christ. Shipwreck someone's faith that already knows JESUS - I'd say that is an exaggeration. And, perhaps, they themselves were also suffering and struggling - it's certainly not an oddity to find someone who isn't in some way. For sure, Paul didn't shipwreck anyone's faith nor was damaging anyone while, he himself was stoned or tied in a jail cell, etc, etc. I don't think whatever they said or did to him ever damaged him while he spread the good news and healed others.
The two best responses are *I’ll pray for you* (with no qualifications) and *If there’s anything I can do to help, let me know*.
What more do you expect from anyone? They could have ignored you or flipped you off. Then what, no one cares?
Don’t be condescending, don’t preach, don’t spout platitudes, don’t quote Scripture verses. Don’t pretend you have all the answers, because you don’t and the suffering person knows that.
NO ONE has ALL the answers but JESUS does. And I BELIEVE HIM, do you?
And don't talk about suffering, you don't have the monopoly on that. I was given up on but 'somehow' survived. That's a good way of making a long story short. And then back to the hospital for something else - only to have them send me home to die because I would not follow 'their orders' which was their prescribed treatment. Yes, I could have had their 'plan B' if I choose to, but I kept to MY PLAN 'A' to BELIEVE Jesus, no matter what they said. Their plan was kidney dialysis for life and cut of my 10 toes or continue suffering w/the pain in feet and it will continue up my legs and be dead in six months because of kidneys. And that included multiple visits from their shrinks because something must be wrong with me (now I have a mental disease? by man's reasoning) - since they told me I would die without 'their help' if I wouldn't succumb to their wishes. I did teach/preach to them by telling them what Jesus already did for me as I thought some were Jewish and non believers. Now I'm thinking they could have been Christians! Silly me! They believed their tests findings (no surprise, that's all they are taught to know), I BELIEVED Jesus (no surprise, that's all I care to know).
Right after they released me for the second time - I was back for the 3rd time straight from the dr's office because of an infection on what was only a follow up of another 'disease'. (Satan didn't know enough to give up but I knew enough NOT to give up). Kinda cool when you KNOW you have the victory already. I had surgery in my room since no operating rm was available. Nothing given to bear the pain as he kept digging the infection out and was alarmed when he found it went as far as my bone. It become a name - MRSA! And I was warned because of my kidneys they couldn't give me strong enough medication in the IV - so I should just cross my fingers when they put me in the 'quarantined room'. I found that as an answer to prayer as I had my family bring in my worship CD's. Door closed and no one to bother me or me bother them as I praised God - no constant gurneys for testing, no meal trays in/out, no constant checking, no shrinks or dr's warning me/family I will die if I don't...or nurses ignoring me because they felt I didn't want to 'get well' - just my doc with mask and robe to change the bandage and I helped him and we always ended up laughing, me telling him it's not enough salve, he telling me I'm cutting the tape too short - we both did it in fun. I told him if he 'catches' it, he will be healed. So the 3rd trip to the hospital was a breeze considering the two prior. He said I would make a great assistant for him but.... (He already heard I was to be dead w/in six months but still hoping I would listen to them before it was too late.) In fact, on the follow up he said 'it's good to see you' and I said the same back to him. He came over close to my face, 'you don't understand, you should be dead that's why it's good to see you'. He was serious but I smiled and said, 'I know'.
I didn't plan to bring up 'my woes' but with your sentence at the end of your post warranted it Don’t pretend you have all the answers, because you don’t and the suffering person knows that.(not you personally smvoice)
So you can drop the suffering person guilt. Been there, bought the T and according to 'man' my family should have bought the coffin. So no preaching from me; after all, what do I know/what did I go through with a smile in my heart. You have the same Word as I do - so you have it all. So not sure what your beef is.
Hopefully, it's not the four+ major attacks on my body within a short time and the subsequent healings that manifested. After all, the lights in heaven didn't even flicker with that much power being released as that power was already accounted for 2000 years ago.
Reminder: There was a thread about you having MRSA and I prayed in thanksgiving to God for your healing when I read it - that what HE did for me, He would do for you. So I believed HIM/His Word for you. When we come home do we feel tip top - NO. But I KNEW you were already healed of MRSA. Praise God!
So not to worry, all I have is BELIEF in what Jesus already did, so I can't give you what you don't want.....Don’t be condescending, don’t preach, don’t spout platitudes, don’t quote Scripture verses. Don’t pretend you have all the answers, because you don’t.
I don't have all the answers but I believe I have it all - as all I want is JESUS - and I do. And HE has all the answers and HE said He will never leave nor forsake me and I BELIEVE HIM and He said He knows my needs before I even ask and I BELIEVE HIM. So what is left but to Thank HIM! Thank YOU, JESUS!
Read some of the other responses around here. Only the kooks line up behind you. Jesus is not one of them.
When I had the MRSA, He told me Himself that I was healed from that. And I had no problems about faith with that, but it wasn't that I was *claiming it* but rather that HE told ME.
And for the record, aside from an occasional tingle of itching of discomfort when I really exert myself, and the scars, there is not a trace of any residual anything left.
But still, basically what you've said in that whole long post is that people aren't healed because they don't have enough faith.
Do I know that God CAN heal me? Absolutely.
Do I know that He will? Maybe some day. What I do know is that He has not yet and when I am healed, I WILL know it. I don't read of an instance in Scripture where people were healed and didn't know it.
And all this nonsense about me being already healed and I just have to believe it's so and the symptoms are just a lie of the enemy has ZERO Scriptural support, so I don't even want to hear it. Unless you can provide chapter and verse to support that contention, I don't consider that it's true and dismiss it as the lie it is.
*Experience* has no more credibility in my book than *tradition*.
..so you believe, pnsn, that lack of healing, signs, wonders and miracles today, are the result of a person not having enough faith? Or spirituality? Please take a walk through 1 Corinthians, and get back to me. That would specifically be 1 COr. 3:1, 3:3, 5:1, 6:7,8, 9:11-14, 11:21,22, 5:2. THis same church at the same time ABOUNDED in miraculous gifts (1 Cor. 1:7, 2:8-11, 14:12,18,26). Explain this to me as soon as you can come up with some kind of reasoned Biblical argument. Thank you.
Okay, that's gonna leave a mark. Great question.
I’m not sure what you’re going after there smvoice. The majority of the Corinthian church obviously were faithful and exhibited the gifts but there were individuals who he was singling out who were doing wrong.
The Corinthians were written to by Paul BEFORE Israel is set aside, while GOd is still dealing with them as a nation, and offering them the times of refreshing if they would accept Christ as their Messiah. Which is what signs, wonders and miracles were all about, in the first place. Acts 2. And Joel 2:28. Paul and the Gentiles had these same gifts in order to CONFIRM Peter's message of the Kingdom and to prove to Jews everywhere that "Jesus is the Christ". This offer of the Kingdom, made at Pentecost, was not OFFICIALLY withdrawn until Acts 28:28. That is why we find miraculous confirmations of Christ's kingdom rights to both Jews and Gentiles.
So, what happens after Acts 28:28? Read Rom. 8:22,23, 2 Cor. 4:16, 2 Cor. 12:7, 1 Cor. 2:3, Gal. 4:13, 2 Coar. 22:29, Phil.2:25-27, 2 Tim. 4:20, 1 Tim. 5:23, 2 Cor 12:9. You can see clearly with these passages that healings, miracles, signs, and wonders were ALREADY passing off the scene.
"NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN." Heb. 11:1.
God is NOT using men to perform healings or miracles today. It is by God's will that He heals. NOT because someone claimed something, or demanded something, or was touched by someone,, or anything else that men have refused to understand in God's plan for the body of Christ and the dispensation of Grace.
See, I knew you could do it. Thank you. People need to hear that. It answers so many question people have about what scripture says and what they see today. Most, yes most, do not understand the difference in how God deals with people after the 483 years when Christ was crucified and Jerusalem was destroyed per Daniel’s prophecy. The “church” today is not dealt with like the church was prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. The last seven years of Daniel’s prophesied 490 years will again be different than today.
Faith grows as we use it - much like a muscle.
Baloney. That is not a Scriptural teaching as all.
Jesus told us that all we needed was faith the size of a mustard seed to move mountains.
Both are unscriptural teachings. If we have faith, we don't have unbelief. That's just stupid to claim that we can have both.
It's not the faith that heals us anyway, it's God. That's what makes the faith effective. It's not the size of our faith, it's the size of the God we have the faith in, which is why mustard seed sized faith can work, because we have a creator and sustainer of the universe sized God.
The whole emphasis on in the name it and claim it theology is in the wrong thing. Name it and claim it types put their faith in their faith. The rest of us put our faith in God.
Thanks for your wonderful insight on Scripture.
So much makes so much more sense with your explanations.
The modern day charismatic movement keeps trying to convince people that we’re in a second outpouring of the Holy Spirit and even quote that passage in Joel that Peter quoted in Acts 2 to support it, but that passage in Joel has already been fulfilled and there is no indication that it is meant for the end times, or the time just before the rapture.
Ping to post 18 which you have not answered yet.
It’s easy to notice that you’ve responded to those who support your thread and ignore those who don’t.
Would you care to answer the question or remain just another hit and run poster?
I cannot help but notice that the most Godly and Spirit filled believers that I know are those who have had to endure some of the most debilitating circumstances. The fruit of the Spirit is clearly evident in their lives.
Those who claim to be *Spirit filled* simply because they speak in tongues don’t know what they’re talking about. It’s not evidence of the filling of the Spirit. It’s a gift given for the edification of the body, not for personal indulgence. Tongues is not a sign for believers but for unbelievers. 1 Corinthians 14:22
>> “OK, so tell me why I haven’t been healed yet.” <<
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If you want your answer in great detail, there is a book available at www.beinhealth.com exploring this very question. The title of the book is “A More Excellent Way” by Henry Wright.
The short answer is that either you or possibly one or more of your immediate ancestors has placed a block to healing, or by your thoughts and or spoken words you have bought into Satan’s lies and allowed the curse of disease into your life.
The book is, outside of the word of God itself, the most worthy of your time to read it.
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